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    NFL plans to explore marijuana use for players' pain

    The NFL may be changing its stance of marijuana use as treatment for players' pain.


    League officials want to at least explore the possibility of marijuana use as a medical tool with the help of the NFL Players Association, according to a Washington Post report.


    The report comes only three months after NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell proclaimed on a sports talk show that pot is addictive and unhealthy for players.


    It does have an addictive nature,” Goodell previously told the ESPN show “Mike & Mike.” “There are a lot of compounds in marijuana that may not be healthy for the players long term.”


    Perhaps Goodell's position is changing............

    read more @ http://triblive.com/news/healthnow/1...r-players-pain



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    Most of the players will be high on Sunday while playing. It won't be Doc Ellis sublime, it will be more like Jim Marshall running the wrong way.
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    so let me get this straight , suspend guys who may be " ahead of the curve" and potentially prescribe same treatment to others with the leagues blessing ...

    ruined careers be damned , Josh Gordon , 1 test away Martavis Bryant , Bell and league wide the list goes on and on ....

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    Re: NFL plans to explore marijuana use for players' pain

    Let's just be honest about it............. this has nothing to do with pain... at least for the players. It's about getting high, just like the whole legalized thing is for EVERYONE. I don't care.... just be honest about what drives this. It really isn't about pain management or any other "medical" reason for 99% of everyone wanting weed legalized. It's about getting high "legally"...... and everyone knows it!

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    Personally, I do not use and would not even if pot were legalized. I have smoked it and do not like it. However, I do enjoy alcohol in several of it's many forms. I seriously cannot see any reason why alcohol is legal and weed is not, other than for tax reasons. I say just legalize the stuff and let's move on. If it has medical/health benefits, BONUS!

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    It's a joke. If they really cared about "pain relief" through THC they'd use dronabinol, which has been legal in the US since 1985. It is as effective for pain relief and, while smoking pot provides only a brief pain relief, dronabinol provides relief for three to four hours. Nope, this is about Goodell no longer seeming like the bad guy with suspensions, and that's all it is.


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    Re: NFL plans to explore marijuana use for players' pain

    Quote Originally Posted by silver & black View Post
    Let's just be honest about it............. this has nothing to do with pain... at least for the players. It's about getting high, just like the whole legalized thing is for EVERYONE. I don't care.... just be honest about what drives this. It really isn't about pain management or any other "medical" reason for 99% of everyone wanting weed legalized. It's about getting high "legally"...... and everyone knows it!
    It's actually a really solid pain mediation chemical. There is a legit reason that many doctors are favorable towards it's use. Same with other "recreational" drugs that gave really positive impacts on PTSD. Shane that our general punitive attitudes towards these chemicals precludes discussions on legitimate use.

    If I had a choice between illegal pot and legal opiods to achieve the same therapeutic results, well that wouldn't be a choice.

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    Re: NFL plans to explore marijuana use for players' pain

    Nicotine and alcohol are legal and comparatively loosely regulared. D
    Pot just isn't that much different. Toradol is potentially way worse but that's fine. Why? Can't figure it out for the life of me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Nicotine and alcohol are legal and comparatively loosely regulared. D
    Pot just isn't that much different. Toradol is potentially way worse but that's fine. Why? Can't figure it out for the life of me.
    I can help with that. Toradol is prescribed by the DRs I work with often after surgery such as, joint replacement, knee reconstruction, meniscus "repair", and some other arthroscopic procedures. This is to reduce swelling(inflammation) which is the primary cause of post-surgical pain, besides the incision pain. Our DRs often have to explain that they are not pain management specialists to patients that continue "needing" pain meds after the appropriate time. I don't know if pot would help these same patients equal to or better than Toradol, but I do know the DRs I work with have the patient's best interest in mind when prescribing. Also note that these DRs do not prescribe narcotics for arthritis pain management either. They do the injections until the patient elects for something more permanent. I don't know, I've never heard a DR even joke about pot as a pain therapy option. Maybe because they don't get to use it they are not familiar with it's results, clinically speaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    I can help with that. Toradol is prescribed by the DRs I work with often after surgery such as, joint replacement, knee reconstruction, meniscus "repair", and some other arthroscopic procedures. This is to reduce swelling(inflammation) which is the primary cause of post-surgical pain, besides the incision pain. Our DRs often have to explain that they are not pain management specialists to patients that continue "needing" pain meds after the appropriate time. I don't know if pot would help these same patients equal to or better than Toradol, but I do know the DRs I work with have the patient's best interest in mind when prescribing. Also note that these DRs do not prescribe narcotics for arthritis pain management either. They do the injections until the patient elects for something more permanent. I don't know, I've never heard a DR even joke about pot as a pain therapy option. Maybe because they don't get to use it they are not familiar with it's results, clinically speaking.
    That's totally sensible. I'm thinking more about chronic pain management. So on Sunday you get in 35 car crashes. Wake up Monday in pain. You can use an opiod or drink a bottle of bourbon (Mojouws preferred prescription) or smoke a few joints. Why the hell should those options be judged so different? Id it's about controlling inflammation or swelling, then there is a solid basis for chemical selection under prescription control. But if we're just talking about being able to walk down stairs and train without pain, I am gonna take a drink or smoke a bowl well before I'm gonna swallow a handful of potentially addictive pain pills. The NBA and the Olympics have both basically said they don't advise pot use but they could give two shots if their athketes go that route. Despite state and federal laws, the only reason the NFL takes a hard line is PR.

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    Re: NFL plans to explore marijuana use for players' pain

    Shouldn't type and drink. That last post was a comedy of typos. Stupid alcohol.


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    Re: NFL plans to explore marijuana use for players' pain

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Shouldn't type and drink. That last post was a comedy of typos. Stupid alcohol.


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    Hey! You take that back! Alcohol is not stoopid. I'm enjoying some pain numbing bourbon myself. Typ-o away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    It's actually a really solid pain mediation chemical. There is a legit reason that many doctors are favorable towards it's use. Same with other "recreational" drugs that gave really positive impacts on PTSD. Shane that our general punitive attitudes towards these chemicals precludes discussions on legitimate use.

    If I had a choice between illegal pot and legal opiods to achieve the same therapeutic results, well that wouldn't be a choice.
    Not when it is smoked. Smoking it gives a short relief (a couple hours, maybe). When you add that to its addictive qualities for heavy users, it makes it just as dangerous as opiods concerning risk for addiction, perhaps more.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    Hey! You take that back! Alcohol is not stoopid. I'm enjoying some pain numbing bourbon myself. Typ-o away.
    Fair enough!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craic View Post
    Not when it is smoked. Smoking it gives a short relief (a couple hours, maybe). When you add that to its addictive qualities for heavy users, it makes it just as dangerous as opiods concerning risk for addiction, perhaps more.
    I would say that the current rampant addiction rates to opiods across the country that have deadly consequences and the current almost total lack of concern about marijuana should point out that this statement is more than a bit hyperbolic.

    https://www.drugabuse.gov/publicatio...uana-addictive
    https://drugabuse.com/library/opiate-abuse/

    Paints two pretty starkly contrasting pictures.

    If anything, pot usage at a heavy level is a dependency and habit issue more than the physical addiction that is characterized by opiates.

    People with severe pain (maybe at the level and well beyond NFL Players) report that prescription opiods only give a few hours of relief when used consistently.

    I think we are conflating several things. I am by no means saying that after and during recovery from major surgery, that anyone (including NFL players) should be like "nope. don't need a painkiller script. Imma gonna control my swelling and pain with weed." That is, of course, ridiculous. I am saying that rather than swallowing a handful of prescription or over the counter pain-killers for soreness the day after a game or intensive training session - why can't someone choose to smoke some pot?

    I mean look at all the dirt coming out on NFL teams and NFL doctors basically running pill and shot factories out of the locker room. The picture it paints makes it seem like North Dallas Forty is still very much relevant. I think it is totally hypocritical for the league to turn a blind eye to that and then drop the hammer on guys for smoking weed. Now if someone wants to go all Nate Newton or Bam Morris -- that is a different story.

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    CBD is a very effective pain reliever for many ( a derivative of Mary Jane ) my wife uses it for migraines , its legal and does not produce a high of any kind top it off its not part of what is looked at in drug tests so would be no fails do to the use of CBD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I would say that the current rampant addiction rates to opiods across the country that have deadly consequences and the current almost total lack of concern about marijuana should point out that this statement is more than a bit hyperbolic.

    https://www.drugabuse.gov/publicatio...uana-addictive
    https://drugabuse.com/library/opiate-abuse/

    Paints two pretty starkly contrasting pictures.

    If anything, pot usage at a heavy level is a dependency and habit issue more than the physical addiction that is characterized by opiates.

    People with severe pain (maybe at the level and well beyond NFL Players) report that prescription opiods only give a few hours of relief when used consistently.

    I think we are conflating several things. I am by no means saying that after and during recovery from major surgery, that anyone (including NFL players) should be like "nope. don't need a painkiller script. Imma gonna control my swelling and pain with weed." That is, of course, ridiculous. I am saying that rather than swallowing a handful of prescription or over the counter pain-killers for soreness the day after a game or intensive training session - why can't someone choose to smoke some pot?

    I mean look at all the dirt coming out on NFL teams and NFL doctors basically running pill and shot factories out of the locker room. The picture it paints makes it seem like North Dallas Forty is still very much relevant. I think it is totally hypocritical for the league to turn a blind eye to that and then drop the hammer on guys for smoking weed. Now if someone wants to go all Nate Newton or Bam Morris -- that is a different story.
    The lack of concern about marijuana is based on fallacies that are being propagated by those wanting to make it legal. NIDA has put out material for years on the problems and addictiveness. Moreover, the raise in THC in the current strains being sold (a three-hundred percent increase) is forcing much lower amounts of the moderating chemicals, which in turn is causing more psychotic episodes and even, in some cases, leading to Schizophrenia in adolescence for those with a Mutant DISC-1 gene (in other words, someone that has had such episodes somewhere in their family lineage). Seeing the brain hasn't finished developing until 24-26 years old, it is a problem here as well. There are several others issues as well. 2016 showed 2.1 million opioid use disorders, but a year earlier (2015), around 4 million were addicted to marijuana. In my opinion, the biggest problem is the newness of the current strains and high THC levels. What you and I and others here remember from our teenage years has nothing to do with the results people using today's strains will endure. I've seen studies that suggest anything from cognitive impairment to coronary issues, but we won't know for another fifteen or so years, exactly the same way we didn't know about the opioid issue (the doctors were told what they were prescribing was not addictive).

    That being said, there's also a different on the league dropping the hammer on marijuana vs. opioid use. When it comes to football, I think of Brett Favre. His addiction came not because he wanted to go do something illegal, but developed out of a legal prescription. It is a difference of intent, and because it is, I think the league has to treat it differently.

    Nevertheless, with all that said, my biggest issue is that it's all a smokescreen, pun intended. Players can get longer-lasting relief from a pill made of the same chemicals but without the high. There is no need to make it okay to smoke marijuana.


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    Interesting that a quick survey of the data tables appears to make it look like the #'s of marijuana dependent users are predominantly in people younger than 25. A big chunk in the 12-18 category. Then it seems a significant batch of those users go away in their adult years. Fully acknoweldge I may have read through those wrong -- but that is what it seemed.

    So we have a ton of young people smoking pot until they can drink and have to hold down real jobs? I'm shocked.

    Also a lot of pot use by teenage males. I wonder what else a truthful survey of forcibly single teenage males would show they are "addicted" to?

    Every generation talks about more potent dope. And it is usually true. But some of this stuff sounds like there is no long-term data for it and a lot like what they were basically saying when "Reefer Madness" got produced.

    But, I'm wandering far afield from the NFL. My only real and limited point as it relates to pro football is how ridiculous the league is. It claims it does this all in the guise of player safety and health. Yet it has little problem with alcoholism (as long as you don't drive and even if you do - you get another shot as long as you are talented - Stallworth, Dante), seemingly zero problem with players being pumped full of prescription drugs by team docs. And on and on. But "OH NO!" some player smoked pot! Better ban them so no one stops spending money on the league -- I Mean for their own good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Interesting that a quick survey of the data tables appears to make it look like the #'s of marijuana dependent users are predominantly in people younger than 25. A big chunk in the 12-18 category. Then it seems a significant batch of those users go away in their adult years. Fully acknoweldge I may have read through those wrong -- but that is what it seemed.

    So we have a ton of young people smoking pot until they can drink and have to hold down real jobs? I'm shocked.

    Also a lot of pot use by teenage males. I wonder what else a truthful survey of forcibly single teenage males would show they are "addicted" to?

    Every generation talks about more potent dope. And it is usually true. But some of this stuff sounds like there is no long-term data for it and a lot like what they were basically saying when "Reefer Madness" got produced.

    But, I'm wandering far afield from the NFL. My only real and limited point as it relates to pro football is how ridiculous the league is. It claims it does this all in the guise of player safety and health. Yet it has little problem with alcoholism (as long as you don't drive and even if you do - you get another shot as long as you are talented - Stallworth, Dante), seemingly zero problem with players being pumped full of prescription drugs by team docs. And on and on. But "OH NO!" some player smoked pot! Better ban them so no one stops spending money on the league -- I Mean for their own good!
    Except you missed a small point in that last sentence. Legality. It is still illegal. Despite states making it legal, it is still illegal at the federal level and illegal in several states. Until that changes, the league is foolish to change its stance. It's the same thing I say about businesses and gun laws. Why open yourself up to problems and critique? Simply state, "We follow federal and then local laws, whatever they may be."

    (As for "Addicted to" the standard was not self-evaluation but evaluation based on DSM-V standards, which are the standards for all mental health diagnoses. And of course it'll be that for young people. it's the cheapest escape. A single joint is probably around 3.50. A single high from heroin is $5.00. A single painkiller pill on the street is $20. Enough beer to get drunk, depending on the state, is probably around 3-5 dollars, but it's much harder to get than pot).


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    Re: NFL plans to explore marijuana use for players' pain

    You can put up all the stats and studies you want and can find, but most objective practitioners of medicine would agree that opioids are far more dangerous than THC/marijuana.

    And I mean you would take that away from talking to them personally.

    Is THC/marijuana "good" for you? The answer is no. It's a drug. Smoke, chemicals, long term effects. But, it can be an effective treatment option for chronic pain and utilized as a safer alternative than opioids with fewer serious side effects.

    To equate opioids and pot.....not buying it.

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