Maybe this is because of that why the steelers does not use it much ....
Maybe this is because of that why the steelers does not use it much ....
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Nice find and thanks for sharing.
This does not surprise me.
I prefer Ben in the shot gun with a spread offense as I think we do much better on all fronts (passing, hand off to Bell or dump off to Bell, by design or under pressure) when the defense is spread out.
"With love, with patience, and with Faith
....She'll make her way" ~ Natalie Merchant
I'm sure that will change with Bryant back.
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Point taken.
"With love, with patience, and with Faith
....She'll make her way" ~ Natalie Merchant
Considering the Steelers almost never run play action, how did they come up with that? 5 times a season (maybe) isn't much of a sample size...
Steelers hardly even ran playaction last year.
Probably due to the fact that there was no legitimate #2 threat behind Brown.
This isn't new. For some reason, they have never really been great at this. Even earlier in Ben's career, it was boom or bust.
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com...ays-the-answer
We don't use it a lot and Ben isn't one of the better QB's at faking the handoff.
You would think with Bell it could be better, especially when the defense is playing up to stuff the run.
It is definitely interesting that Ben doesn't excel with play action. Having a strong run game, as well as one of the best receiving corps in football, you would think play action would be deadly. I'd like to know what Ben's numbers were before Coates was injured. What really makes play action work is having guys that can stretch the field. You take Coates and Bryant away and we don't have anyone else that can do that. I look for the play action numbers to rise with both Bryant and Coates able to play.
Looks like I was wrong. There was a time that Roethlisberger was arguably amongst the best in the league at play action - even if his # of attempts was lower.
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2011/12...oethlisberger/
https://www.si.com/nfl/2015/06/04/be...-philip-rivers
I seem to remember in his younger days, Ben's ball fake was among the best in the league. Maybe he is less effective as he gets older and slows down?
The Play action is often less effective without a deep threat.
The steelers had no deep threat in 2016 after the injury of Coates.
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Haley? Play Action?
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Exactly! How many times did Ben hit Coates in the hands only to have him drop the ball?It wasn't just Coates either. Wheaton's absence was felt too. Go back over the last few years and he made some big plays on play action passes. Hell we played 5 or 6 games with Cobi Hamilton as our x receiver. Nothing against Cobi but there was a reason he spent the first 1/3 of the season on the practice squad. Got a feeling play action passes are going to be a lot more effective this coming season.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
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You would think Coates wife would MAKE him get the surgery.
"With love, with patience, and with Faith
....She'll make her way" ~ Natalie Merchant
this.....
he at one time was DEADLY with play action , I do not suspect that has changed any we just use it so rarely anymore that 1 or 2 failures bring the numbers down dramatically
Haley doesn't call it enough ( Near the goal line ), but Ben has never been the smoothest ball handler.
None of our our past QB's since the 1980's, aside from O'Donnell have been good at play action.
You have to sell it right. The thing is, Ben should be as he grips the ball well. See his pump fakes!
"Pittsburgh ranked dead-last in play-action pass attempts, which isn't new -- they were next to last in 2015. This is in direct response to the fact that Ben Roethlisberger isn't actually very good at play-action passing. At all. The Steelers have had a negative DVOA difference in three of the last four years -- and, again, play-action passing will generally score higher in DVOA. It's not like Roethlisberger has trouble with the deep ball in general or anything like that, but all his stats fall off of a cliff when he's asked to fake handoffs. Very strange and, apart from a blip in 2014, very consistent. Todd Haley's teams in Kansas City and Arizona were generally much better when using play-action, so this is squarely on Big Ben's big shoulders."
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/sta...action-offense
Interesting. This article puts it on Ben, not Haley.
Not a strong part of his game, but who in the NFL has a better pump fake?
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I think part of the reason is we lost Heath Miller. The other reason is Haley does not call it enough when our ground game is going, and almost never seems to call it near the goal line.
I think Haley doesn't call it much because they don't need to. When healthy and not suspended the deep threats on the roster do not need the assistance of play action to get open deep. That way, Ben can just line up and chuck it. If their even, their leavin'. Just a theory!
I think this is the last time a play action has worked for the steelers!
I think Haley doesn't call it much because they don't need to. When healthy and not suspended the deep threats on the roster do not need the assistance of play action to get open deep. That way, Ben can just line up and chuck it. If their even, their leavin'. Just a theory!
But he should call it a bit more often. Part of a good offense is being unpredictable, and by not calling this high percentage passing play it makes our offense easier to prepare for.
63 times in fact in 2016...42 in 2015
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/08...pass-distance/
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