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    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    Yep... really.

    The kid does stuff stuff that I’ve never seen any other player do.

    Obviously, a franchise QB is far more crucial. But, the odds are that the team picking #1 overall will be drafting in the top ten again in 2019. Get the “once a decade” RB now, and get your franchise QB next year.
    Given the carnage RBs experience (Dalvin Cook the latest) and it being a pass first league, any GM taking Barkley with the first pick would be betting his job on it turning out well - most GMs probably will not make that bet

    The franchise tag cost of a RB compared to other positions is an indication RBs are not as valued as they were back in the day


    • Quarterback: $21.395MM
    • Running back: $12.377MM
    • Wide receiver: $15.826MM
    • Tight end: $9.894MM
    • Offensive line: $14.444MM
    • Defensive end: $16.955MM
    • Defensive tackle: $13.468MM
    • Linebacker: $14.754MM
    • Cornerback: $14.297MM
    • Safety: $10.961MM
    • Punter/kicker: $4.863MM


    https://fansided.com/2017/02/14/nfl-...-per-position/

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    I think he’s definitely a Top-5 pick. I guess if the Browns, Colts or Giants wound up with the number one pick I could see it but I tend to think the Giants would lean towards a QB to replace Manning. The Chargers have Gordon and I could see them look towards a QB to replace Rivers...

    I watch them every week and the things he does week in and week out are ridiculous. I haven’t seen some of the stuff and now he’s throwing TDs too...lol




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    Re: 2017 College Football QB Watchlist

    For those that like game film of QBs, see what you can find on East Carolina senior Thomas Sirk. Would love some critique on this guy. Has size, speed, arm strength and accuracy. Not sure why he's not in more conversations. His comp% are lower than you want, but is that due to quality of teammates or flaws in his delivery? Curious what the forum thinks about this guy.

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    This is almost as big a highlight film for WR#3 Anthony Miller as it is for Riley Ferguson. Both seniors and both will be available in 2018 draft.

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/searc...1b&action=view

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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    I think you're wrong about Lynch. He did play well last season when Siemian was out. He has a different guy this year than last. Not every QB succeeds in every system. I think, believe, Lynch could be awesome here in this system. That said, I don't believe that ever happens. He'll probably end up in Jax and make that team an annual contender.
    Lynch's NFL highlights with Denver from last season. This is with his first OC, before the Broncos changed(Dennison).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5aI...layer_embedded

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    Ryan Finley vs Louisville 20/31 367 yds 1td 0 int. My guy still playing at a high level. Still yet to throw an INT this season!!

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    It is my belief that Paxton Lynch is a bust. He had ample opportunity to win a starting job in Denver and didn't even make a competition of things. He doesn't have what it takes between the ears. This is common knowledge here in Denver as reported by those in the media that regularly attended practices. You can have all the physical gifts in the World if you do not have the head for the game it doesn't matter. I'll bet Lynch has a short lived NFL career that doesn't amount to anything worth remembering.

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    Re: 2017 College Football QB Watchlist

    Quote Originally Posted by BurghBoy412 View Post
    Ryan Finley vs Louisville 20/31 367 yds 1td 0 int. My guy still playing at a high level. Still yet to throw an INT this season!!
    That was Finley's coming out party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BurghBoy412 View Post
    It is my belief that Paxton Lynch is a bust. He had ample opportunity to win a starting job in Denver and didn't even make a competition of things. He doesn't have what it takes between the ears. This is common knowledge here in Denver as reported by those in the media that regularly attended practices. You can have all the physical gifts in the World if you do not have the head for the game it doesn't matter. I'll bet Lynch has a short lived NFL career that doesn't amount to anything worth remembering.
    I think that may just be the case if he stays in Denver. What I am saying is he has the physical tools to win here. Haley is a perfect OC for him IMO. (Had the Browns selected BB, how would his career look today?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BurghBoy412 View Post
    It is my belief that Paxton Lynch is a bust. He had ample opportunity to win a starting job in Denver and didn't even make a competition of things. He doesn't have what it takes between the ears. This is common knowledge here in Denver as reported by those in the media that regularly attended practices. You can have all the physical gifts in the World if you do not have the head for the game it doesn't matter. I'll bet Lynch has a short lived NFL career that doesn't amount to anything worth remembering.
    And giving up draft picks for him would be insane

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    Quote Originally Posted by st33lersguy View Post
    And giving up draft picks for him would be insane
    I wouldn't give up a Colin Holba 6th rounder for Lynch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    That was Finley's coming out party.
    We'll see what he's got when they play Clemson. November 4th.
    Pitt will be his next victim. Oct. 14th

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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    I think that may just be the case if he stays in Denver. What I am saying is he has the physical tools to win here. Haley is a perfect OC for him IMO. (Had the Browns selected BB, how would his career look today?)
    I understand your Memphis bias Brother. Physical skills aside. The word is Lynch doesn't have the mental makeup to play the position in the NFL. Physical skills mean very little at the highest level if you don't have the mental processing ability to read and react to complex NFL defensive schemes.

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    Article about my other "guy" Bryan Schor. http://www.jmu.edu/news/2017/07/28-mm-bryan-schor.shtml

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    Re: 2017 College Football QB Watchlist

    Quote Originally Posted by BurghBoy412 View Post
    I wouldn't give up a Colin Holba 6th rounder for Lynch.

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    We'll see what he's got when they play Clemson. November 4th.
    Pitt will be his next victim. Oct. 14th

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    I understand your Memphis bias Brother. Physical skills aside. The word is Lynch doesn't have the mental makeup to play the position in the NFL. Physical skills mean very little at the highest level if you don't have the mental processing ability to read and react to complex NFL defensive schemes.
    I love that "Memphis bias" part. I do have that for sure. LOL! That said, I still feel what I feel for the Steelers, my first team. AND I think Lynch would be great here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    That was Finley's coming out party.
    He threw 100 yds to 2 receivers and 99 to another. Gotta love that ball distribution.
    Last edited by BurghBoy412; 10-07-2017 at 07:11 AM.

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    Re: 2017 College Football QB Watchlist

    Some more "Memphis bias", LOL.

    Riley Ferguson 34/48, 431 yards, 7TDs, 70.8comp%
    Anthony Miller 15rec, 224 yards, 4TDs
    (Against UCONN, who is terrible this year. Stats pad game. But damn!)
    BTW, the senior starting RB made his return last night also. 22 car, 122 yards, 2TDs. Had not played this season due to injury.

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    Riley Ferguson 34/48, 431 yards, 7TDs
    Baker Mayfield 24/43, 306 yards, 2TDs
    Sam Darnold 23/35, 316 yards, 3TDs, 1INT
    Ryan Finley 20/31, 367 yards, 1TD
    Luke Falk 24/42, 282 yards, 3TDs
    Lamar Jackson 26/47, 354 yards, 1TD, 1INT
    Thomas Sirk 20/38, 253 yards, 1TD, 1INT

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    Re: 2017 College Football QB Watchlist

    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    Riley Ferguson 34/48, 431 yards, 7TDs
    Baker Mayfield 24/43, 306 yards, 2TDs
    Sam Darnold 23/35, 316 yards, 3TDs, 1INT
    Ryan Finley 20/31, 367 yards, 1TD
    Luke Falk 24/42, 282 yards, 3TDs
    Lamar Jackson 26/47, 354 yards, 1TD, 1INT
    Thomas Sirk 20/38, 253 yards, 1TD, 1INT
    Rosen (not listed) is going to be the first QB taken. The rest, could go anywhere from 3 to 43.

    And, I've seen every one of them mocked to the Steelers, except for Sirk (and Rosen).

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    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    Rosen (not listed) is going to be the first QB taken. The rest, could go anywhere from 3 to 43.

    And, I've seen every one of them mocked to the Steelers, except for Sirk (and Rosen).
    I think UCLA was on a bye last week. Only reason I don't have Josh Rosen listed. Sirk is new to the list. I watched ECU play USF, and Sirk was making some incredible reads and throws in that game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    I think UCLA was on a bye last week. Only reason I don't have Josh Rosen listed. Sirk is new to the list. I watched ECU play USF, and Sirk was making some incredible reads and throws in that game.
    I figured that you hadn’t listed Rosen, because despite his “attitude”, he is easily the best QB in this draft (i.e. there’s no way that we get him).

    Everyone else... it depends on who you ask. Some have Ferguson ranked second; others have him ranked fifth.

    Yes. Sirk is one of those guys who will creep up draft boards. The Twitter guys that I follow like him a lot.

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    Barring a bunch of QBs returning to school (not sure how many are eligible to return though pretty sure Falk, Mayfield, and Rudolph aren't eligible to return) there should be a 1st round QB worth taking when the Steelers pick in round 1. Next year looks like the year to get one in round 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by st33lersguy View Post
    Barring a bunch of QBs returning to school (not sure how many are eligible to return though pretty sure Falk, Mayfield, and Rudolph aren't eligible to return) there should be a 1st round QB worth taking when the Steelers pick in round 1. Next year looks like the year to get one in round 1
    There WILL be several QBs available at 32.

    The trick is drafting Derek Carr (and not ending up with Geno Smith).

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    Re: 2017 College Football QB Watchlist

    A team would do well to have a scout who did nothing but evaluate QBs.

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    http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/201...on-state-game/

    Kevin Colbert was on hand to watch Luke Falk play against Cal. Luke Falk didn't put on a good show though as he threw 5 INTs, and his team lost 37-3 to a team that was unranked

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    Quote Originally Posted by st33lersguy View Post
    http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/201...on-state-game/

    Kevin Colbert was on hand to watch Luke Falk play against Cal. Luke Falk didn't put on a good show though as he threw 5 INTs, and his team lost 37-3 to a team that was unranked
    It was like watching Ben v. the Jags all over again.......

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    Re: 2017 College Football QB Watchlist

    Baker Mayfield 17/27, 302 yards, 2TDs
    Mason Rudolph 19/31, 459 yards, 3TDs
    Riley Ferguson 24/40, 279 yards, 3TDs
    Luke Falk 28/43, 286 yards, 5INTs
    Ryan Finley 14/25, 198 yards, 1TD
    Lamar Jackson 19/39, 332 yards, 2TDs
    Nick Fitzgerald 19/30, 241 yards, 2TDs
    Josh Rosen 20/34, 219 yards, 3INTs
    Sam Darnold 27/50, 358 yards, 3TDs
    Quinton Flowers 16/29, 184 yards
    Jake Browning 17/30, 139 yards
    Will Grier 32/41 352 yards, 5TDs
    Last edited by Born2Steel; 10-15-2017 at 12:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by st33lersguy View Post
    http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/201...on-state-game/

    Kevin Colbert was on hand to watch Luke Falk play against Cal. Luke Falk didn't put on a good show though as he threw 5 INTs, and his team lost 37-3 to a team that was unranked
    Ouch.

    That said, BB had a 4 INT game against Iowa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    Baker Mayfield 17/27, 302 yards, 2TDs
    Mason Rudolph 19/31, 459 yards, 3TDs
    Riley Ferguson 24/40, 279 yards, 3TDs
    Luke Falk 28/43, 286 yards, 5INTs
    Ryan Finley 14/25, 198 yards, 1TD
    Lamar Jackson 19/39, 332 yards, 2TDs
    Nick Fitzgerald 19/30, 241 yards, 2TDs
    Josh Rosen
    Sam Darnold
    Quinton Flowers
    Jake Browning
    I’m going to throw Will Grier’s name into the ring...

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    Yeah I concur on Grier. He's got a very accurate ball. I'm not sure how he translates but he's become intriguing at the least.

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    To catch everyone up on WV's Will Grier since this is his first mention.
    9/3 @Virginia Tech L 31-24 31 53 371 58.5 60 3 1 132.2 11 52 4.7 14 0 66.1 77.6
    9/9 East Carolina W 56-20 19 25 352 76.0 75 5 0 260.3 4 6 1.5 8 0 99.3 97.0
    9/16 Delaware State W 59-16 19 27 304 70.4 62 3 1 194.2 5 22 4.4 20 0 90.1 75.9
    9/23 @Kansas W 56-34 25 39 347 64.1 49 2 1 150.6 10 51 5.1 24 2 88.3 81.5
    10/7 @TCU L 31-24 25 45 366 55.6 76 3 1 141.4 8 9 1.1 12 0 67.6 86.4
    10/14 Texas Tech W 46-35 32 41 352 78.0 32 5 1 185.5 7 -36 -5.1 2 0 83.9 75.3













    That's 21TDs to 5INTs in 6 games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    To catch everyone up on WV's Will Grier since this is his first mention.
    9/3 @Virginia Tech L 31-24 31 53 371 58.5 60 3 1 132.2 11 52 4.7 14 0 66.1 77.6
    9/9 East Carolina W 56-20 19 25 352 76.0 75 5 0 260.3 4 6 1.5 8 0 99.3 97.0
    9/16 Delaware State W 59-16 19 27 304 70.4 62 3 1 194.2 5 22 4.4 20 0 90.1 75.9
    9/23 @Kansas W 56-34 25 39 347 64.1 49 2 1 150.6 10 51 5.1 24 2 88.3 81.5
    10/7 @TCU L 31-24 25 45 366 55.6 76 3 1 141.4 8 9 1.1 12 0 67.6 86.4
    10/14 Texas Tech W 46-35 32 41 352 78.0 32 5 1 185.5 7 -36 -5.1 2 0 83.9 75.3













    That's 21TDs to 5INTs in 6 games.

    In the two losses, he completed less than 60% of his passes... which goes along with the theory that if a college QB doesn’t average at least a 60% completion rate, he’ll never make it in the NFL.

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    Re: 2017 College Football QB Watchlist

    Baker Mayfield 32/41, 410 yards, 2TDs, 1INT
    Mason Rudolph 25/38, 282 yards,
    Riley Ferguson 33/53, 471 yards, 1TD, 1INT
    Luke Falk 17/34, 197 yards, 3TDs
    Lamar Jackson 13/21, 156 yards, 1TD
    Nick Fitzgerald 18/26, 155 yards, 1TD
    Josh Rosen 21/36, 266 yards, 2TDs
    Sam Darnold 20/28, 229 yards, 2TDs, 1INT
    Quinton Flowers 10/24, 127 yards, 2TDs, 1INT
    Will Grier 26/37, 375 yards, 5TDs
    Thomas Sirk 14/21, 177 yards
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