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IMO, worst case, we take Kelly with our 6th, and grab another early round QB next season. We upgrade the backup with Kelly, potential to be great, AND get a 'quality' starter in 2018 for when Ben retires. Both could work out which gives us a 2 great QBs(best case), and/or a viable backup(worst case). If we end up with 'both', that equals great trade value. 1st overall pick in the 2019/2020 draft type value. the draft is a gamble anyway. Gamble on the bigger payout.
I realize that people on this forum haven't got much love for this year crop of rookie QBs but it seems like fans are sticking their heads in the sand regarding Bens consideration of retirement and the very last thing the organization needs to do is wait till Ben retires and pick someone in the following draft to replace him. Honestly what's wrong with using a 2nd round pick on a QB? Nothing, Mahomes,Peterman,Kaaya will be available early 2nd round and the draft is stacked with defensive players so take use 1st and both 3rd picks to help the defense.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...roethlisbergerOriginally Posted by WCSteeler
Thanks, I tried to get this link up as well
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I think they'll do their due diligence and either go for a QB in the 2nd if one drops, or take one late (5-7) that is a boom or bust type.
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I think that IF Mahomes is there at 30, that's the pick. If not, possibly 5-7 like you say.
It's not that we don't see the writing on the wall, it's that we don't want to rush into Kyle Boller, when we could wait (and bear a small slump) in order to get Eli Manning/Big Ben/Philip Rivers.
As in: delayed gratification
For me, there are two and only two guys I look at.
1. Mahomes. He beat out Webb and he has a stronger and more accurate arm then anyone else that is going to be around at 30. Seriously, watch him throw the deep ball and imagine him in Haley's offense. Completed north of 60+ % of his passes - the only consistent marker of NFL potential. Fine, it is a gimmick offense and he is a system guy. That was the knock on Aaron Rodgers also. Who fell to where in the draft? 25th and selected by a team with an existing franchise guy. Got time to learn an NFL offense, refine his mechanics, etc. See where this is going?
2. Chad Kelly. I think he is likely to implode in the NFL. But he has the accuracy (over 60% in a big-time college conference) and the arm to make any throw in the NFL. But I think his emotional issues and his tendency to crumble against a big-time pass rush are serious hurdles. But a 6th round cost for a 1st round arm? I will take that gamble every single draft class until it works.
Every single other prospect seems (to me) to have a terminal flaw.
Kizer is super over rated because he has the "tools" but he doesn't make decisions fast enough and he is inaccurate.
Peterman doesn't have the arm
Kaaya had some success when he had a wealth of talent around him (freshman year) then tailed off after that. Would be okay with a late-round flier but feels like Landry Jones 2.0
Webb is Jared Goff but not as good. That doesn't seem interesting.
The list just gets worse from there.
Mahomes in the 1st I'm ok with that.
Bingo!!!
I understand and appreciate your point but see things a little differently. This draft is a "weak qb" draft but when you look at all the projected stud qbs in the last 5 years what do you come up with? Not much. My point is I don't trust the talking heads to tell us who's hot or not, I'm not sure what to expect but what I do know is we have a 35 year old QB who is contemplating retirement,who's been through several injuries and plays mediocre on the road. I'm not closing the book on Ben's career but we're probably reading the last pages.
You make a good point: maybe Mahomes (for example) is/will be better than the QBs in 2018 (who really knows???).
Maybe I'm also a tad biased towards PAC-12 QBs: Darnold, Rosen, Falk... even Browning.
There really isn't a QB worth taking in the first 5 rounds.
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Hypothetically, say we know for certain this will be Ben's last season. In that scenario, I'm taking my highest rated QB of this draft at 30. Whoever that may be. Because, going forward, that QB is now learning behind Landry Jones, not BB. Is there a QB in this draft that we know will be better than Jones in 2-3 years? We are not replacing BB with a guy from this class. Not by any film, tape, footage, replay, etc, that I have seen on these guys. But we MUST upgrade from Jones. (And we come full circle)
Seriously? Using the first round pick on a QB project who will most likely be a bench-warming journeyman? Maybe in round 6.
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100% serious
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If Mahomes didn't play for Texas tech and was in a more "standard" offense, he would go #1. NFL scouting is a crapshoot at best and they are crazy biased when it comes to QBs.
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If you make all the teams that draft ahead of you believe that you covet a QB and they are on the fence about who to draft. You may force their hand on the QB and the player you really desire stays on the board. You can't read anything into interviews, visits, etc... The front offices are playing a game of chess as well as the players on the field.
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IMO, the QB with the highest floor is Peterman. The QB with the highest ceiling is Mahomes. After those 2 Chad Kelly is the only one that intrigues me.
All i want to know is why Webb and Mahomes arent on this poll
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Explain to me the hype on Davis Webb. *I have not watched any of his games*. But, everything I read on him is a powerful arm with very little accuracy downfield. That his completion totals are mostly within 10 yards of the LOS. The reason he lost his job to Mahomes at TT is due to inaccurate throws beyond those 10 yards. I can't understand why he's ranked as highly as he is.
Id rather not explain that because I disagree with the hype. I just think its strange to have a poll on which possible 1st-round QB to take and there are 2 that are clearly ommitted
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Because the poll is not just about 1st round, it's about QBs who may drop in the first round. The two you are referring to may climb into the first, but that wouldn't be dropping, would it?
strong matter of opinion considering Webb has been considered 1st round caliber by a double digit number of teams. Last I checked we pick at #30 which by default puts Webb squarely in the territory of several teams in front of us. Mahomes has seen his stock rise rapidly in the past couple months as well, all the way up into 1st round territory. Its not like there are a lot of teams picking behind us in the 1st round
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The more personnel guys I talked to at NFL Meetings, the more convinced I am Davis Webb is going in first round - higher than you think.
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I sure haven't seen that about Webb. Who's mocking him in the first? And more specifically the early-mid first where it would be considered a drop to be there at 30? Do you have some links?
I've seen Mahomes mocked at the end of the first, at best.
You want to disregard serious positional needs to draft a low-rated QB project with the 1st pick?
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It's not like we've lost a whole lineup worth of players and they need replacing. You're starting next season with the same team minus Timmons. I feel like his replacement can be found in the 2nd via Raekwon McMillan. Now we won't to act like QB isn't a "serious" need. Perhaps it is not. But what happen if 7 goes down? Is Landry leading this team to the promise land ? It may not be the deepest QB class ( which is why you would draft the position early), but I have to believe Pat Mahomes comes in and supplants Landry pretty quickly. I think we are underestimating how poor o the teams QB depth actually is at the present moment.
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what team paid scout has said this ?
we hear talking heads ( that are consistently wrong make claims ) but those same talking heads didn't have Mahomes as a 1st rounder till a month ago now have Webb as one until a week ago but reports from the owners meetings have webb as a solid 1st rounder , is it smoke being blown in the lying season or is it fact ? IDK
what I do know is Mahomes has the best arm in this draft and if I am taking a chance on any QB in any draft I want the one with the best arm because I can not teach that , everything else is coachable same for any pos. give me the player with the unteachable skill set and I will coach him to be the player I desire ....
its better to own the unteachable skills than the more ready player who lacks those skills and will never be better than average because of it
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