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    Re: Show Butler the Door

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Well they are getting pressure on 50-60% of the pass attempts. I don't care if they are doing it with a high school.jv team. That's far more the reason then the coverage.

    Plus on the plays you can see Pats Wrs crossing the field on TV, they are getting passed off. So zone.

    Zone can work. Man coverage isn't some mystical scheme that confounds NFL players.

    Steelers played bad coverages and no pass pressure. The lack of pressure is the killer between the two.

    Just to clarify on all this shit:

    The way to beat Brady is not with man coverage and no pressure; with time, eventually the receivers will get open.

    The way to beat Brady also is not with zone coverage and lots of pressure; with a zone, no matter how much pressure you have, someone is open from the start, and he will get rid of the ball faster than you can get to him.

    The only way it works is for man coverage, or really any aggressive coverage whatever you label it, to keep the receivers from being open for the first 2-3 seconds, and for the pressure to be getting there by that time. Not to have perfect man coverage for the whole play because that's unrealistic. Just play them tight at the start of the play, that's the only thing.

    Whether it's man, or a zone where the defenders move up to play tight coverage and it's basically man for a few seconds then turns into a zone (which is what it looks like the Falcons did) - it doesn't matter. Cover them tight from the start. That's it.

    If you just don't have the personnel to pull off both, you are still better off playing tight man coverage for the first 2-3 seconds and gambling to somehow get pressure, than you are playing a soft zone and gambling to get pressure.

    What we did against the Patriots was soft zone coverage, no pressure, which is just admitting defeat right off the bat.
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    Re: Show Butler the Door

    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    Just to clarify on all this shit:

    The way to beat Brady is not with man coverage and no pressure; with time, eventually the receivers will get open.

    The way to beat Brady also is not with zone coverage and lots of pressure; with a zone, no matter how much pressure you have, someone is open from the start, and he will get rid of the ball faster than you can get to him.

    The only way it works is for man coverage to keep the receivers from being open for the first 2-3 seconds, and for the pressure to be getting there by that time. Not to have perfect man coverage for the whole play because that's unrealistic, just the start of the play. That's it. And that's what the Falcons did for most of the game.

    If you just don't have the personnel to pull off both, you are still better off playing tight man coverage for the first 2-3 seconds and gambling to somehow get pressure, than you are playing a zone and gambling to get pressure.

    What we did against the Patriots was zone coverage, no pressure, which is just admitting defeat right off the bat.

    100% agreed

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