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I see him getting disrespected all week. Even now on ESPN home page they have a picture of the other 3 QBs with him left out. Everyone is ranking the QBs and putting him last. He's been there before and I feel like he's gonna dial it in and silence the critics.
Home Ben shows up instead of Road Ben!
Maybe not a big game....But I predict a game winning drive for him!
The way he is playing, he doesn't deserve to be ranked with those other three right now and frankly, neither should be Brady. He was awful the other night...he threw up probably 3-5 passes that were desperation throws that happen to be caught by Hogan and Edelman.
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Correction. NEED A BIG GAME FROM BEN
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Don't let one not-so-good game from Brady fool you after he had a pretty great season. There is a reason when he hangs them up many will consider him the GOAT.
Ben needs to figure out why he has been sucking lately on the road (he has always not been great on the road, but lately he blows). The next game and the one thereafter (should they make it) are pretty much going to solidify how many see his career.
He is a borderline shoe-in hall of famer good-not-quite-great QB backed by some pretty great and talented teams.
He needs to erase the doubters. Include myself among them.
To be honest, Ben hasn't been all that great in these playoffs. Le'Veon Bell and the Defense has carried him this far.
2 TD's 3 INT's against the Dolphins and Chiefs. Not exactly top-tier performances.
He really needs to get over his Road Woes and show up for this game.
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I call bullshit! Ben hasn't been great? We started off the playoffs with 2 50 yard TDs to AB. Then a masterful drive by BEN and Bell to eat up clock, for another TD. In case you guys have forgotten. What has become commonplace on here is total amnesia that this is a TEAM sport. That goalline INT, responsibility goes to the Chief's defender for getting his hands up in the passing lane. Otherwise that's another Ben to AB touchdown. Other teams make plays too.
Ive been worried about Ben...he has somewhat regressed thia season but that can be all erased with a good showing in the next game and hopefully superbowl
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How many of those two TD's were yards after the catch by AB or did you forget that AB scampered for pretty much all of that yardage after the catch? One was a screen AB took for 50 and the other was about a 10 or 12 yard throw. AB again did the rest.
Ben has only been kind of good since the 2nd half of the season, not great. He was kind of off it seemed yesterday as well. He needs to be great for this upcoming game and the one (currently theoretical) thereafter. I think he might be bothered by some injury (for some time) and just isn't saying anything. He has seemed off since around just after the midpoint of the season. His INT ratio has steadily grown since then.
People have their doubts because this current version of Ben is just merely good. Nobody is saying he sucks, but they are surely saying he is not great and deservedly so.
He needs to prove them wrong. People have had their doubts for some time and it is obvious why. He is in the twilight of his career, he is not an up and comer. It isn't up to observers and fans to change their opinion because evidence is there. Ben needs to be the Ben we assume and know he can be. GREAT. This is the point in the season that GOOD won't cut it.
This one is on his shoulders.
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No. I did not forget. Ben is very good at throwing AB open so he can do what he does with the ball. Ben could have just as easily put the ball elsewhere so there would be no YAC. I will not take anything away from AB or Bell for their contributions to those scoring drives. But to say Ben had very little to do with them is stupid.
I feel like Ben is a rhythm QB. I feel like since we hand the ball off to bell alot now he cant knock off the dust early in games. He usally gets his shit together late 3rd quarter theouhh the end. I hope they try to get Ben into his groove early.
Praying he has a career day on Sunday
You might have a point. Bell has kind of been carrying this team the 2nd half of the season as more focus has been put into the run game.
So, is Bell carrying keeping Ben from getting in a rhythm early, or is Bell carrying the team because Ben can't get into a rhythm early?
Chicken or the egg?
But the Steelers haven't scored over 20 points in a playoff game since 1952.
Stupid yinzer offensive coordinators.
Ben has shown decline especially on the road but he's still a very good QB, Ben is in his mid 30s, has been playing for 13 years and has suffered more injuries than any other active QB so decline should be expected. No one can deny how great Ben has played for this team but people get older and decline physically it's the way it is. I'm not going to suggest Ben should retire after the season but the Steelers need to look to the future and take a QB early in the draft to groom.
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I can agree with almost all of your post. Physical abilities do decline as we get older. Injuries can change mechanics, which can diminish abilities also. I just really don't see Ben as diminished. He still scrambles, shrugs off sacks, makes accurate throws, etc.... In fact, he's a smarter player now than he's ever been.
I don't believe in the draft and 'groom' philosophy. Ben didn't need to be groomed, neither should his heir.
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You are correct, we do. It's called the "Game Day" thread.
We nees to finish our drives.
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Ben, Brady, and Manning have dominated the AFC. It's not debatable. It's not even close. If people want to dismiss what Ben does, just put Landry Jones in his place. Do we even make the playoffs? Are our 'Big3' even a Big3? Ben calls the blocking that sets Bell up to succeed at what he does. Ben puts AB in position to take it to the house. Again, It's not even close.
No doubt Ben can be better, especially in the red zone, but he is far to be bad.
The fact that our WR after Brown are inexperienced does not help as well.
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Simple, turn off Haley's mic in the red zone.
What the hell do you want from Ben? 14 and 15 he had Brown, Miller, Bryant, and Wheaton. This year he has had Brown.......sometimes Coates.........sometimes Green........James, Rogers + whoever is up next........and we are in the AFCC. Can't wait to hear the criticism when we win the SB.
Nobody needs anything from Ben and he owes no one anything. What would be nice here would be to actually be able to have a discussion about issues that are seen on the team that we all support, and not attacked here for trying to have a conversation.
Ben is not flawless, nobody on this team is... yet some here feel that issues regarding Roethlisberger are beyond reproach. They put on their hypocycloid sunglasses and flat out refuse to acknowledge it.
Yet, I don't recall anyone here ever actually saying flat out "BEN SUCKS", and I know for sure I have not. I don't think he sucks, never have and never will because it is not true (haley does blow though, just fyi). Just because I acknowledge some deficiency within his game, does not in any way, shape or form infer that I wish some other QB would lead this team. And fuck you if you can't see that.
We have all heard the song and dance millions of times already
"you will all be sorry when we win the super bowl (like there aren't 52 other players)"
"remember Bubby Brister, that's what this team is going to find when Ben retires"
"if not Ben, who would you rather have as a QB"
Everyone here knows there is truth to that, and we are going to be approaching that reality in the next several years. As he gets older his physical skill is going to diminish and he is going to need to rely more on his 'football smarts' because his skill is not going to be able to get him over some hurdles as easily as it did in the past. My problem is, and this is the only problem i have, he has always been a gunslinger and efficiency be damned. He isn't quite the physical gunslinger he used to be due to injuries and whatnot, and his ability to be smart and efficient is going to play a bigger role the older he gets. That sack on 3rd down last night is quite evident. The smart thing would have been, if no one was open, just throw it away. No need to risk getting sacked, risking injury, potential fumble and adding another 8 yards onto the length of the field goal attempt.
That's it, it is simple.
Ben was the one who audibled out of the run play to Bell that resulted in the tipped pass and the Red Zone INT.
Haley's fault.
I sure hope Ben has a big game, at least the next 2 games anyway ! They aren't going to beat N.E. with just scoring FG's and not scoring TD's.
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Not sure why I was thinking people on here did indeed say that Ben sucked lately.
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Seems Ben has NOTHING to do with Bell's, or the team success as i had previously thought.
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That's one play out of how many in the Red Zone?
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Maybe I'm just having trouble 'seeing it'.
We don't know...we may never know...
Hooray, you didn't prove anything here. Were you trying to?
Saying Ben has been playing poorly on the road means just that, Ben has been playing poorly on the road. Playing poorly is synonymous with sucking. You are seeing way much more into it then is really being said here and there is no contradiction whatsoever in my two posts.
Oh no, you got me.
Nevermind, you don't.
THOSE TWO STATEMENTS ARE NOT THE SAME THING. I am not going to sit here and give you a lesson on grammar. If you fail to see how "BEN SUCKS" and "BEN SUCKS ON THE ROAD" aren't the same, there isn't much more I can do that the public education system hasn't already and I am pretty sure it isn't the system that failed you.
Now, let's look at what the term 'lately' means.
late·ly
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adverb
recently; not long ago.
Does it mean forever ago? Maybe within the last few years? Nah, I am pretty sure I meant the last handful of away games when I said the following:
Now, I would say his recent away games @ KC, Buffalo Miami and Philly would be evidence enough of this phenomena but I think you are having difficulty in objectifying reality. He had a great game at Indy, but I don't recall any other away games where I could say his performance was 'great'.
Since you are above criticizing Big Ben, do you think his performance yesterday at KC was top notch? How about in Buffalo?
Describe his performance in the Philly game without once criticizing his play. I just want to see how many excuses you can come up with to not do so.
How old are you?
I think you are too. You might want to stop while you think you are ahead. Comprehension isn't your strong suit.
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