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    We are the Steelers. Our Super Bowl window is always wide open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    We are the Steelers. Our Super Bowl window is always wide open.
    agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    We are the Steelers. Our Super Bowl window is always wide open.
    You mean like the 25 years it was wide open between Bradshaw and Ben?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GBMelBlount View Post
    You mean like the 25 years it was wide open between Bradshaw and Ben?

    The steelers were often a superbowl contender in the first 10 years with Cowher.(4 AFC Title games)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GBMelBlount View Post
    You mean like the 25 years it was wide open between Bradshaw and Ben?

    Did you or did you not see how we actually went to the Super Bowl and came close to winning - or the multiple times we were in the conference championship?
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    The armchair GM's still haven't calmed down lol. Still believe the Steelers panicked
    1. Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia 2. Zach Frazier, C, West Virginia 3. Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan 3. ​Renardo Green, CB, FSU 4. Mo Kamara, OLB, Colorado State 6. Logan Lee, DT, Iowa 6.Khristian Boyd, NT, Northern Iowa

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    Did you or did you not see how we actually went to the Super Bowl and came close to winning - or the multiple times we were in the conference championship?
    Too many have the Super Bowl or bust mentality, unfortunately.

    It's always a very good season in the NFL when you compete for a championship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    Did you or did you not see how we actually went to the Super Bowl and came close to winning - or the multiple times we were in the conference championship?
    Do you feel our chances of winning a Super Bowl for the next few years after Ben retires are likely as good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GBMelBlount View Post
    Do you feel our chances of winning a Super Bowl for the next few years after Ben retires are likely as good?


    I believe that Roethlisberger can have at least 4 other good seasons if he avoids serious injury.

    With the rules now, it's easier for the QB to have a very long longevity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polamalubeast View Post
    Too many have the Super Bowl or bust mentality, unfortunately.

    It's always a very good season in the NFL when you compete for a championship.
    If you are happy with playoff wins and Super Bowl losses that is fine.

    I prefer Super Bowl wins.
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    I think that people would not be freakin' out if Mike Mayock had been allowed to finish his analysis of Artie Burns.

    Rich "Googell's toady" Eisen cut Mayock off, before Mayock could tell everyone how much he liked the pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAndGold View Post
    The armchair GM's still haven't calmed down lol. Still believe the Steelers panicked

    Not panicked - they knew exactly what they were doing, but had the wrong idea. We could've picked worse players, but I think we could've picked several better ones too. Including better players at the same position, or equally talented players at the same position for a lower pick.

    But wait - what do I know, I'm not an NFL head coach, and therefore have no business holding an opinion about the draft, or about football. We'd better go and delete all the draft threads before all this peasant-speak pollutes the sacred football mindshare. </forum>
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    And one thing to remember, The Miami Hurricane's are just bad at developing talent. Awful coaching down there.
    1. Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia 2. Zach Frazier, C, West Virginia 3. Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan 3. ​Renardo Green, CB, FSU 4. Mo Kamara, OLB, Colorado State 6. Logan Lee, DT, Iowa 6.Khristian Boyd, NT, Northern Iowa

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    Including better players at the same position
    Alexander... maybe/maybe not (it depends on who you ask).

    What other CBs would you have taken at 25???

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    Quote Originally Posted by GBMelBlount View Post
    If you are happy with playoff wins and Super Bowl losses that is fine.

    I prefer Super Bowl wins.

    Everyone prefers a Super Bowl, I never say otherwise, but win the super bowl is very hard and it often takes the luck.

    If Neil O'Donnell would not have choked against the Cowboys, Cowher would have a ring after his 4th year.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    Not panicked - they knew exactly what they were doing, but had the wrong idea. We could've picked worse players, but I think we could've picked several better ones too. Including better players at the same position, or equally talented players at the same position for a lower pick.

    But wait - what do I know, I'm not an NFL head coach, and therefore have no business holding an opinion about the draft, or about football. We'd better go and delete all the draft threads before all this peasant-speak pollutes the sacred football mindshare. </forum>
    Lol

    From some comments(not here) some fans opinions should be deleted ha. The madness will blow by, this is the same reaction when the Steelers picked Shazier over Mosely.
    1. Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia 2. Zach Frazier, C, West Virginia 3. Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan 3. ​Renardo Green, CB, FSU 4. Mo Kamara, OLB, Colorado State 6. Logan Lee, DT, Iowa 6.Khristian Boyd, NT, Northern Iowa

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAndGold View Post
    this is the same reaction when the Steelers picked Shazier over Mosely.
    Spot on.

    I posted the exact same thing elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GBMelBlount View Post
    Do you feel our chances of winning a Super Bowl for the next few years after Ben retires are likely as good?
    It depends on who we get as a quarterback after that. A lot of the issues we had at the position in the '80s and '90s were from lack of even trying to find one. We passed over several good ones. I don't think we went through that experience without learning anything.

    Of course you want a franchise QB, but as currently constituted, I think this team could compete for a title with a merely good QB. Although only as a dark-horse candidate, not a favorite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    I think that people would not be freakin' out if Mike Mayock had been allowed to finish his analysis of Artie Burns.

    Rich "Googell's toady" Eisen cut Mayock off, before Mayock could tell everyone how much he liked the pick.
    Yea, I thought that was incredibly lame. They did come back to Mayock after the draft was finished and he finished what he was saying.
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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    My opinions:

    1. I like Burns. The kid lead the ACC in picks. There was talk that he would be a late first round pick.

    2. I've heard a lot of talk about not trading up or down. Up to get a better player, back to take this guy a few picks later. The problem is, there's no guarantee that the player you want will be there if you trade back...and trading up you need a partner willing to trade back and you have to be willing to give up what that team wants to move up. The Steelers don't have 12 picks in this draft, so they don't exactly have a ton of amunition to move up even if they wanted to.

    3. The talk of Burns not being a good zone defender and that's all the Steelers run - guess what, this could be signaling a change in that. What was the biggest complaint about LeBeau? That he refused to change. Maybe Butler is willing to change things, maybe he WANTS to change things but has to get players that can play that way.

    4. I trust the Steelers coaches, front office, and scouting department more than I trust the guys on TV talking about these players. If these guys were so good, why aren't they working for NFL teams? And why don't they predict every pick correctly? Hell, didn't one of those bozos call Jamarcus Russell a can't miss prospect who would dominate the NFL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigNastyDefense View Post

    4. I trust the Steelers coaches, front office, and scouting department more than I trust the guys on TV talking about these players. If these guys were so good, why aren't they working for NFL teams? And why don't they predict every pick correctly? Hell, didn't one of those bozos call Jamarcus Russell a can't miss prospect who would dominate the NFL?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerFanInStl View Post
    They did come back to Mayock after the draft was finished and he finished what he was saying.
    Thanks for letting me know; I'll have to check my DVR (I sort of half-listened after Pittsburgh's pick).

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAndGold View Post
    Lol

    From some comments(not here) some fans opinions should be deleted ha. The madness will blow by, this is the same reaction when the Steelers picked Shazier over Mosely.

    You do know that Mosley wasn't a bust, right? In fact, accounting for availability, he's been the more productive player so far. But I guess unless Shazier was a kill-yourself obvious bust, nobody with a different preference had any clue.

    Laugh if you want; I guess if you're looking for a reason to look down your nose at people, you'll find one. Just know that it makes you look like a condescending prick while everyone else is, you know ... actually TALKING about the good and bad, like normal fans. You're aware that other people are allowed to do that whether or not you play the Superfan card, aren't you?
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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigNastyDefense View Post
    My opinions:

    1. I like Burns. The kid lead the ACC in picks. There was talk that he would be a late first round pick.

    2. I've heard a lot of talk about not trading up or down. Up to get a better player, back to take this guy a few picks later. The problem is, there's no guarantee that the player you want will be there if you trade back...and trading up you need a partner willing to trade back and you have to be willing to give up what that team wants to move up. The Steelers don't have 12 picks in this draft, so they don't exactly have a ton of amunition to move up even if they wanted to.

    3. The talk of Burns not being a good zone defender and that's all the Steelers run - guess what, this could be signaling a change in that. What was the biggest complaint about LeBeau? That he refused to change. Maybe Butler is willing to change things, maybe he WANTS to change things but has to get players that can play that way.

    4. I trust the Steelers coaches, front office, and scouting department more than I trust the guys on TV talking about these players. If these guys were so good, why aren't they working for NFL teams? And why don't they predict every pick correctly? Hell, didn't one of those bozos call Jamarcus Russell a can't miss prospect who would dominate the NFL?
    Excellent post!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GBMelBlount View Post
    Our Super Bowl window is closing.

    I would have preferred someone who was more ready to play NOW as opposed to someone who is arguably a project.
    The only thing you know about a good press cover rookie corner is that you can put him on the field to play man coverage. If he plays well in that role, you keep trotting him out on the field and use him in that capacity. He can continue to work on the other stuff.

    Hell, he may be a third down nickel or dime specialist right out of the gate with very limited responsibility.

    The way they stayed put and didn't entertain trades tells me they looked at him as the last upper tier CB on their board, he was one of the players that they targeted as a player they would take at #25 if he was there.

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    For all of you wanting to bash the Artie Burns pick... blame me.

    My son was wearing his Steelers jersey throughout the entire first round (as the picks fell as we wanted them to). Then, as Pittsburgh was about to go on the clock, I asked my wife to get my son in his pajamas/put him to bed (so that I could concentrate).

    The rest is history.

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAndGold View Post
    Lol

    From some comments(not here) some fans opinions should be deleted ha. The madness will blow by, this is the same reaction when the Steelers picked Shazier over Mosely.
    I also remember when we picked Le'Veon Bell in the second round and posters immediately lamented how we could have waited until the third round to select him...

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    You do know that Mosley wasn't a bust, right? In fact, accounting for availability, he's been the more productive player so far. But I guess unless Shazier was a kill-yourself obvious bust, nobody with a different preference had any clue.

    Laugh if you want; I guess if you're looking for a reason to look down your nose at people, you'll find one. Just know that it makes you look like a condescending prick while everyone else is, you know ... actually TALKING about the good and bad, like normal fans. You're aware that other people are allowed to do that whether or not you play the Superfan card, aren't you?
    I know Mosely isn't a bust, wasn't my intention to say he was, he's a pretty damn good player. It's just fans had the same reaction that day, and now they're pretty happy with the pick, beside his injuries. (kinda missed my point)

    Lmao, I only "look down my nose at the people"(in the most humbled way possible) who act like everyone should be fired or the sky is falling cause they picked a player they didn't want, sorry it's dumb(it is). I've actually have talked about the good and bad's about the pick(high upside player, but very raw, definition of a boom or bust. has very interesting intangibles, height, speed, 33" arms), not sure if I have here though.

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    You do know that Mosley wasn't a bust, right? In fact, accounting for availability, he's been the more productive player so far. But I guess unless Shazier was a kill-yourself obvious bust, nobody with a different preference had any clue.
    The Mosley-Shazier debate is fascinating. I thought Mosley was the better pick and then as Shazier's games missed counter sky-rocketed, I started to get that sinking feeling. But I just can't shake two images from my mind.

    Bell and others beating Mosley like a drum in coverage. Over and Over again. I can't remember what year or game it was, but it was brutal. Haley just basically said - You can't cover our guys and if your DC keeps trying to make you, we are going to expose that decision again and again.

    Then the game that Shazier had in San Fran to open the season and in Cincinnati in the playoffs. Assuming he can ever find a way to shake the injury bug, there are no holes in his game as obvious as Mosley's in coverages.

    Mosley is a good to really good player. Shazier can be great. Or he can fizzle as his body breaks down. I have no idea, but it is fascinating to watch!

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