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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    Quote Originally Posted by fansince'76 View Post
    Nope, panic pick. They freaked when the Bengals took a CB the pick before.

    People complain about Pittsburgh's futility at drafting CBs, but at least they are usually R4/R5 picks.

    The Bengals have missed on a couple of R1 picks on CBs: Kirkpatrick, Dennard... WJIII???

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    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    People complain about Pittsburgh's futility at drafting CBs, but at least they are usually R4/R5 picks.

    The Bengals have missed on a couple of R1 picks on CBs: Kirkpatrick, Dennard... WJIII???
    WJ3 will probably be a bust too now lol. It's like Cleveland when they draft QB's.
    1. Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia 2. Zach Frazier, C, West Virginia 3. Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan 3. ​Renardo Green, CB, FSU 4. Mo Kamara, OLB, Colorado State 6. Logan Lee, DT, Iowa 6.Khristian Boyd, NT, Northern Iowa

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Long story short, I am starting to think that the Steelers are not in the market for a top 3 round DT. They are going to get a "rush" DE like Day or Nassib. Deploy McCullers as the classic 2 down NT and back him up with a later round pick. Maybe Henry?
    Maybe. I do feel that they're definitely looking for a pass-rushing specialist (Nassib).

    Oh... and Hargrave can rush the passer, from the nose.

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    Maybe. I do feel that they're definitely looking for a pass-rushing specialist (Nassib).

    Oh... and Hargrave can rush the passer, from the nose.
    And Hargrave fits the recent Steelers defensive profile - freak athlete. I really think they learned their lesson from Jarvis Jones. Sure he had great college production, but little athletic upside for the next level.

    Shazier, Golson, Dupree, Burns. All raw to different degrees, but they can all fly. Will be interesting to see if the rest of the 2016 class sees a continuation of that mini-trend.

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    Steelers select CB Artie Burns at No. 25

    Posted by Zac Jackson on April 28, 2016



    The Steelers selected Miami (Fla.) cornerback Artie Burns with the No. 25 pick in the first round.

    Burns was also a college track star and is an early entry to the draft. He was a two-year starter at cornerback who had six interceptions last season.

    The Steelers did not hide their interest in many defensive backs but saw Karl Joseph, at No. 14 to the Raiders, and Keanu Neal, at No. 17 to the Falcons, come off the ahead of most projections. Then the Bengals took cornerback William Jackson at No. 24.

    Burns ran the 40-yard dash in 4.46 seconds at the Scouting Combine. Steelers Coach Mike Tomlin called Burns “a good piece of clay to mold in 2016.”

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...urns-at-no-25/

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    I like the kid. You can question his value at 25, but I don't think you can do it relative to the other available CBs. From the team's POV, he was the best corner available, because he fits the profile of what they want on defense, people who can make turnovers. He also fits the profile of an outside corner and not one of the excellent nicklebacks they could have gotten later. For better or worse the league is Goodell Ball now, so I can't really get upset with the attitude of creating a defense that will jack up your chances of taking the ball away. He's still an improvement over what we have now, and what we have now was good for a playoff run. Adding Burns and Golson into the mix this season is fine by me.

    Now let's hope a pass rusher or nose tackle falls to us in the second.

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steelerette View Post
    I like the kid. You can question his value at 25, but I don't think you can do it relative to the other available CBs. From the team's POV, he was the best corner available, because he fits the profile of what they want on defense, people who can make turnovers. He also fits the profile of an outside corner and not one of the excellent nicklebacks they could have gotten later. For better or worse the league is Goodell Ball now, so I can't really get upset with the attitude of creating a defense that will jack up your chances of taking the ball away. He's still an improvement over what we have now, and what we have now was good for a playoff run. Adding Burns and Golson into the mix this season is fine by me.

    Now let's hope a pass rusher or nose tackle falls to us in the second.
    see thats the other thing i dont understand. artie is great at press coverage. he's supposed to be shaky at zone coverage and thats all we ever do. more man coverage in our future maybe?
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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    how Mike Mayock had the CBs ranked:

    Mike Mayock's 2016 NFL Draft position rankings 3.0

    By Mike Mayock
    NFL Media draft analyst
    Updated: April 27, 2016

    Cornerback

    1. Jalen Ramsey, Florida State
    2. Vernon Hargreaves, Florida
    3. Eli Apple, Ohio State
    4. Artie Burns, Miami (Fla.)
    5. William Jackson III, Houston

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...on-rankings-30

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    I'm not a fan of players who's game is "predicated on speed" . It never seems to work out, but hopefully the kid has what it takes to develop skills to go with all the speed and talent.
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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho Ward 86 View Post
    see thats the other thing i dont understand. artie is great at press coverage. he's supposed to be shaky at zone coverage and thats all we ever do. more man coverage in our future maybe?
    One thing I've really noticed with Butler is that he's willing to adapt the scheme to fit the personnel, not try to jam the personnel into the scheme. So in that respect you could very well be right.

    I guess Burns is not necessarily a bad pick; he may well turn out to be a great player for us. But MAN, thinking about the other opportunities we passed up really stings.
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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steelman View Post
    I liked Burns as a prospect, but not at #25. So many other good players available there... I woulda taken Billings, Spence, Jack, Alexander, Butler, Kenny Clark. Hell, I woulda drafted Nkemdiche there over Burns.

    But oh well. Hopefully the staff knows what they're doing here, because I don't foresee this guy seeing the field this year.
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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho Ward 86 View Post
    see thats the other thing i dont understand. artie is great at press coverage. he's supposed to be shaky at zone coverage and thats all we ever do. more man coverage in our future maybe?
    God, I hope so. That "tackle the catch" crap is a very big part of why we get toasted continuously, by good QBs as well as scrubs alike. Hell, we gave up almost 400 yards to Johnny Rehab, for crissakes. If I never see another 10-yard cushion on 3rd-and-7 again it'll be too soon.

    No, it's well past time to start trying to PREVENT the catch to begin with.

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steelman View Post
    I liked Burns as a prospect, but not at #25. So many other good players available there... I woulda taken Billings, Spence, Jack, Alexander, Butler, Kenny Clark. Hell, I woulda drafted Nkemdiche there over Burns.

    But oh well. Hopefully the staff knows what they're doing here, because I don't foresee this guy seeing the field this year.
    If you want to feel better about him seeing the field this year just pull up the roster and look at the other corners. This kid could start in a wheel chair over his competition on the team.

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    Getting excited about Artie Burns

    Burns’ six interceptions in 2015 were the most by a Miami player since Sean Taylor had 10 in 2003.

    Draft analyst Dane Brugler doesn’t believe it’ll take Burns long to begin to realize his obvious upside. “Burns has the requisite play-speed, competitive toughness and budding ball-awareness to develop into a starting press-corner in the NFL _ will contribute on special teams as an NFL rookie before becoming a regular starter by year two.”

    http://www.steelers.com/news/draft/article-1/Getting-excited-about-Artie-Burns/85d96725-21f4-4501-afc5-6622bb7eddf0

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    And Hargrave fits the recent Steelers defensive profile - freak athlete. I really think they learned their lesson from Jarvis Jones. Sure he had great college production, but little athletic upside for the next level.

    Shazier, Golson, Dupree, Burns. All raw to different degrees, but they can all fly. Will be interesting to see if the rest of the 2016 class sees a continuation of that mini-trend.
    Jarvis has single handedly shown us why coaches often go for guys who shine at the combine, as opposed to guys who were productive in college, but lack athleticism. Of course, I'd take Jarvis every day of the week over Huey Richardson.

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    Quote Originally Posted by fansince'76 View Post
    God, I hope so. That "tackle the catch" crap is a very big part of why we get toasted continuously, by good QBs as well as scrubs alike. Hell, we gave up almost 400 yards to Johnny Rehab, for crissakes. If I never see another 10-yard cushion on 3rd-and-7 again it'll be too soon.

    No, it's well past time to start trying to PREVENT the catch to begin with.

    They have been using more and more sub packages where they are rushing four. I think the end game of the players they are taking is to be more multiple and more versatile. It makes sense to have secondary people that can play zone, press coverage, off man coverage, etc. When you give quarterbacks the same look every time, they have a better chance of chewing you up. If they can find a way to get consistent pressure on the quarterback without having to blitz, and mix up the coverages in the secondary, they will really be on to something.

    Let's hope they continue to add defensive talent in this draft. I'm curious to see what they do from here.

    Everyone has to remember that there is going to be a serious run on defensive tackles very early in the second round. There is no guarantee that Hargrave will be there at #58. All you need is one team to be in love with the player and he's gone.

    The good news is that the draft is deep in DL talent.

    Who knows, they may draft a quarterback next.

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    I like this pick more now than I did last night. Thinking about it, it makes sense. He's big and fast, with long arms and good ball skills. As others have said, he fits the mold of what we've been doing for the last couple of years.

    We can't think of this pick in terms of who we passed up. I would've loved to have grabbed Myles Jack but I think that there was just too much risk there. A DT would've been great, but what CB is going to be still around in round 2? No one with the physical skills of Artie Burns.

    I'm confident that we're going to get a stud DT with our next pick.
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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

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    AB on offense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pczach View Post

    Everyone has to remember that there is going to be a serious run on defensive tackles very early in the second round.

    There is no guarantee that Hargrave will be there at #58.


    All you need is one team to be in love with the player and he's gone.

    The good news is that the draft is deep in DL talent.
    My concern as well.
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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    I think that Burns was a moderate reach...but I'm ok with that. For years we've had to sit back and listen to the BPA rant after each perplexing first round pick. "Can't reach! Must pick BPA regardless of position!" Bunk! Meanwhile we hadn't addressed corner in the first round since...Chad Scott!!!!???!!!! That was 20 NFL drafts ago (1997), kids.

    So, reach,damn it! When you pick in the mid twenties every year you're not going to get a top three corner. And when you wait until the end of the second or third round you're not going to get a top 15 corner. I'm happy with the pick...I'm happy they 'reached' a little.

    Welcome aboard, Mr. Burns! Work your ass off and let's get dirty!

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    I honestly didn't know a thing about Burns last evening, but I like what I've read since. I like the pick....and he can cook!

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    It's about getting players that fit what YOU do. Not necessarily the top rated at their position according to 'prospects are us' sites. I think we would have gone with JacksonIII, but we had an equal grade on Burns. Had the situation been reversed, we may very well have taken JacksonIII. I was expecting to see a DL pick. All the guys we, on the forum, had picked as the top defensive guys, are pretty much still available. We just selected a project of a CB over Myles Jack. Not suggesting this was a bad pick, just pointing out what we know vs what the FO knows.

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    His name is Art Burns. Not Artie. 3 letter first name rule.

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    What most of you may not know is that Burns is relatively new to football. I believe I read early this year that he didn't start playing football till he got to high school. Till then he was just another track star. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I really can't remember where I saw this.

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    Not sure I get the "project" stuff. Stick this guy in single man coverage and he starts day 1 in the NFL. Now, zone...not so much. But as was mentioned, who says Butler stays married to all zone concepts?

    No reason that Burns can not be deployed as a man coverage player his rookie year and then play zone around him. Basically what they did with Ike Taylor. I seem to remember that working.

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    We can only go on what we do know. We have not been a man cover defense, traditionally. Would be the wiser move, IMO, to use his strengths rather than force a transition to a role he's not comfortable, or productive with. I like the pick, just not in love with the pick yet.

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    Was more shocked last night than disappointed. My shock showed as disappointment because I really didn't know much about this kid.

    From what I have read, reviews are mixed but there appears to be a tremendous upside with this kid.

    Not the player that I wanted, but starting to get excited with the pick. We will see how it all plays out, but nonetheless welcome to the team, Mr. Burns.


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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    We can only go on what we do know. We have not been a man cover defense, traditionally. Would be the wiser move, IMO, to use his strengths rather than force a transition to a role he's not comfortable, or productive with. I like the pick, just not in love with the pick yet.
    Couldn't agree more. I still don't know how I feel about the pick, but there is definite cause for excitement/optimism.

    I think most of my responses have just been because of the "desperation/panic" narrative that is driving most of the instant analysis of the pick. It is one thing to react emotionally on a MB another in a blog or analysis post in the larger football media. The desperation or panic thing is kind of just silly to me. It involves accepting a scenario that the Steelers (and by extension other NFL teams) do not mock out multiple 1st round scenarios. I suspect there was no panic when the Bengals took Jackson. If that was their "guy" in the 1st round, they had to have a scenario planned out where he wasn't on the board at 25. Likely multiple scenarios. Jackson goes, pivot to Burns. Both are gone, pivot to X, Y, or Z.

    If everything that is whispered on the internet is to be believed, the Chiefs executed their back-up plan when Burns was gone and backed out of the round. I am by no means arguing that anyone has to believe it was a good pick or even the right pick. But to envision a scenario where the draft room explodes in to panic and chaos with some intern desperately floating the name "Burns?" to restore order is a bit far-fetched for me.

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    I think the grin on Tomlin's face suggests there was no "panic" in that warroom. They got a guy they wanted. Whether he was 1st choice, or tenth, is not important. They picked Artie Burns because they wanted Artie Burns at that pick. I wanted Andrew Billings. I was not allowed into the warroom.

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    Stupid Tapatalk wouldn't let me post last night . . . anyway, like most I am not in love with this pick, but he is one of the top 5 CB's in the draft and it is a position of need. Remember Golson will be playing this year also and Cockrell and Gay were our top 2 CB's from last year. If Burns can pick up the def and get some good PT this year and move to starting next, I think we are seriously better in the backfield. Yeah, I probably would have preferred some of the other picks more, but we will see how today pans out, we still may get the guys we want with our pick. The ONLY thing that annoys me is not taking the trade (either from Denver or SF) if there was a trade offered. Picking up an extra 3rd, or an extra 3 picks (what was SF thinking?) would have been ideal. Also, think about it this way, at least we don'g have SF's front office, again giving up 3 picks to pick a guy that would have been there in the 3rd most likely . . . morons!

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    Re: Welcome to the newest Steeler, Artie Burns.

    Our Super Bowl window is closing.

    I would have preferred someone who was more ready to play NOW as opposed to someone who is arguably a project.
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