Report: Kelvin Beachum Not Interested In Moving To Guard

[dislocatedday]

Not so fast there. When Ben retires, his contract will have been restructured so many times, being the elephant in the room, that we're going to have more problems, not less. He will probably carry a $30 million dead money hit by the end. When Ben retires is the point at which the train goes off the cliff and we have to really clean house, not the point at which things ease up.

The only way out of that that I can see is if, once he's done playing, we extended him an extra year at the veteran minimum and kept him on the roster but not playing, just to spread the cap hit out. Then they'll probably pass a rule against that.

As of now there have been no restructures (moving base salary to signing bonus) or "dead years" added onto his contract of which I am aware, so I would not make assumptions that this will be the case.

I also don't see any logical reason why the team would have to "clean house" when Ben retires (I assume by cleaning house you mean get rid of all the rest of the key players and start building anew from almost scratch). It is very unlikely the team will have another starting QB anywhere close to Ben's skill step in immediately after he leaves, but I think the team still will field the best squad it can. I don't see any reason the Steelers could not still have a strong competitive team even after Ben retires. Consistently competing for championships is difficult without a top shelf QB, granted, but I don't expect the Steelers to just concede and accept mediocrity just because Ben is no longer there.

[SteelerFanInStl]

...over 3 days. It usually takes most people, even the most active posters, at least a couple of weeks to rack up that many.

And all but about 2 or 3 of those posts were to argue with somebody regarding some unsubstantiated bullshit he spewed which he obviously made up about things that happened decades ago.

Quite the revisionist historian, he was...

Yea, the dude took over every single thread on this forum. I got tired of reading his crap the first day.

[zulater]

Are we all sure that AV is the long term answer at LT? I mean he didn't suck or anything, but it is almost like people forget how darn good Beachum is. Is there a dollar amount below which people would be in favor of resigning Beachum? Or is everyone just comfortable handing the blindside to AV?

Beachum was a very good pass blocker in 14, as a run blocker I'm not even sure he was average? . This season even before he got hurt his pass blocking had slipped more than a little. I would say his pass blocking this season was average and no better. His run blocking was more or less the same. I don't know if the league adjusted to him with a seasons worth of tape to figure out his weaknesses? Or maybe he was playing through injuries? Or maybe it was just an early season slump? Anyway this year's Beachum isn't worth top 10 tackle money. Not even close.

[SteelerFanInStl]

I don't have anything against Beachum. He stepped up and did a pretty good job for us at LT when no one else was producing. He'll never be a great LT though and I don't want us to pay him like one.

From what we saw of AV this season, I think that he can be great. He's got the tools. He just needs Munch to coach him up and get more experience. I'm willing to roll the dice on him and save the dollars for other positions.

[Count Steeler]

The thing to be careful of with this Oline is the Munchak effect. We all remember what this cast was like before the arrival of Munch.

Any team that wants to take Foster or Beachum, better be confident in their Oline coach or else they are going to overpay.

[hawaiiansteeler]

I believe the Steelers will sign one of the two, it's not prudent to just let two of your OL starters leave the same year in free agency...

[Mojouw]

Beachum was a very good pass blocker in 14, as a run blocker I'm not even sure he was average? . This season even before he got hurt his pass blocking had slipped more than a little. I would say his pass blocking this season was average and no better. His run blocking was more or less the same. I don't know if the league adjusted to him with a seasons worth of tape to figure out his weaknesses? Or maybe he was playing through injuries? Or maybe it was just an early season slump? Anyway this year's Beachum isn't worth top 10 tackle money. Not even close.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2016/02...elvin-beachum/

Seems to be a good read on the situation and close to what you are saying, Zu. I guess your breakdown of Beachum is basically my worry about AV. Now that everyone has a year and some tape to breakdown, they will exploit the fairly big holes in AV's game.

Long story short, I wouldn't mind having Beachum return for like 7 million or so...but that will never happen. So let us all hope that the potential anyone can see in AV is able to be realized and put on the field.

[steelerdude15]

Don't worry. The troll came and went as fast as a hippo farting at a poker game

[zulater]

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2016/02...elvin-beachum/

Seems to be a good read on the situation and close to what you are saying, Zu. I guess your breakdown of Beachum is basically my worry about AV. Now that everyone has a year and some tape to breakdown, they will exploit the fairly big holes in AV's game.

Long story short, I wouldn't mind having Beachum return for like 7 million or so...but that will never happen. So let us all hope that the potential anyone can see in AV is able to be realized and put on the field.

I think our concerns about AV should be mostly quelled by the Broncos post season run. By this I mean the Steelers played the Broncos late in the regular season. Then the Steelers had to go out to Denver with the Broncos having had a bye week to prepare. So wouldn't you think with the edge rushers the Broncos have they weren't looking to exploit Villenueva in that divisional playoff game? Ben had a pretty clean pocket most of the game. Yeah Ben got sacked 3 times, but compared to what Brady and Cam took from that team in the following weeks you got to say our line did a helluva job against that team. Brady took 20 hits. Cam took 13 hits I'm not sure how many Ben took, but I'd guess it was around 6 or 7? Anyhow getting back to the point, if there was something to be exposed in AV's game a team with that caliber of edge rushers who had just seen that player a few weeks earlier with a bye week to help prepare for him, having the additional advantage of the home crowd, which forced the Steelers into several silent counts, which absolutely gives the edge rushers an extra half step at the snap. I'm pretty confident we found our left tackle for the foreseeable future.

[Mojouw]

Zu, on the road most of the morning today and what you posted was all I could think about after last nights game.

I suspect my concerns are overblown and stemming from pessimism.


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[86WARD]

I said similar when the Broncos defense was breaking free on the Patriots all game. AV played well. He played very well against the best D in the league. Nothing to just brush over.

[Psycho Ward 86]

I think our concerns about AV should be mostly quelled by the Broncos post season run. By this I mean the Steelers played the Broncos late in the regular season. Then the Steelers had to go out to Denver with the Broncos having had a bye week to prepare. So wouldn't you think with the edge rushers the Broncos have they weren't looking to exploit Villenueva in that divisional playoff game? Ben had a pretty clean pocket most of the game. Yeah Ben got sacked 3 times, but compared to what Brady and Cam took from that team in the following weeks you got to say our line did a helluva job against that team. Brady took 20 hits. Cam took 13 hits I'm not sure how many Ben took, but I'd guess it was around 6 or 7? Anyhow getting back to the point, if there was something to be exposed in AV's game a team with that caliber of edge rushers who had just seen that player a few weeks earlier with a bye week to help prepare for him, having the additional advantage of the home crowd, which forced the Steelers into several silent counts, which absolutely gives the edge rushers an extra half step at the snap. I'm pretty confident we found our left tackle for the foreseeable future.

Does that mean your rampant scapegoating of Toussaint will be quelled as well? Seems to me that Toussaint outperformed Johnathan Stewart (a pro bowl RB) on an undermanned offensive line...but thats none of my business

[86WARD]

Does that mean your rampant scapegoating of Toussaint will be quelled as well? Seems to me that Toussaint outperformed Johnathan Stewart (a pro bowl RB) on an undermanned offensive line...but thats none of my business

Maybe Carolina would take Fitz in an even up trade for Stewart?!?

[zulater]

Does that mean your rampant scapegoating of Toussaint will be quelled as well? Seems to me that Toussaint outperformed Johnathan Stewart (a pro bowl RB) on an undermanned offensive line...but thats none of my business

Sources within the Steelers said Toussaint missed holes that were there (this from DK's site) Plays were left on the field, big plays. He was a practice squad player for a reason. We'll all be lucky if he doesn't have a meaningful carry next season.

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Maybe Carolina would take Fitz in an even up trade for Stewart?!?

Only if our o-line came with the package.

[zulater]

Zu, on the road most of the morning today and what you posted was all I could think about after last nights game.

I suspect my concerns are overblown and stemming from pessimism.


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You know the biggest concern with AV might be that if a shooting war breaks out anywhere and American troops in any significant amount are called into action he's already stated that as a member of inactive reserves he would voluntary put his name in the hat. He considers duty to country above all else.

Now possibly Tomlin or Ben or Munch or someone might convince him that he's already done his duty and that we need you more? But I don't know how in good consciense you could even think of influencing him that way? So there's always that. I wish they could figure out a way to keep Beachum and Foster. But I doubt they can pull it off.

[Born2Steel]

Maybe the Panthers will trade us a DB or DL for Beachum. Considering how badly Oher got take to the shed in the superbowl.

[zulater]

Maybe the Panthers will trade us a DB or DL for Beachum. Considering how badly Oher got take to the shed in the superbowl.

I think Beachum is going to be an unrestricted free agent. They can just sign him. They probably should.

[86WARD]

If Beachum wasn't unrestricted, I would trade him to the Panthers for Oher and a late round pick. Oher would be excellent tackle depth.