No shit...you don't say...
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
Wonder if this will cause as much controversy and gnashing of teeth as when he said they needed to run the ball better?
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The man is a certified genius.
All Defense!
there goes Art II meddling again...
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there goes Art II meddling again...
He should just stop these end of the year things. He has no clue about football and he sounds foolish.
I'll never forget when he said the DB's had to be more "ball aware". That's some trick when they are 8 yards off the ball on 3rd and six.
Stay in the owners box and keep quiet, the way your Dad and Grandfather did before you.
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IMO firing Arians cost this team at least one AFC title. Down year or two would have been worth it to have another chance at a SB title.
have you gotten to where Art II is nothing but a two-bit lawyer yet who is only trying to re-live the 70s?
He was wrong then too. Run game had nothing to do with eight blown 4th quarter leads in 2009.
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No need, because anyone who follows this team knows that's what he is. He won the race to the egg.
At least he won something.
Exactly!there goes Art II meddling again...
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My only point was that most people took his comment to run the ball more effectively as meaning to run the ball more often. That was never what he said. He simply stated the fact that the Steelers had been unable to consistently run the ball effectively in game situations that called for it. That was totally true. In subsequent seasons the team did begin to run the ball better in short yardage situations.
He blamed the run game for not holding 4th quarter leads in 2009.
He was wrong.
And being able to effectively run the ball with a lead late in games is just such a "game situation" that I was referencing. Obviously, there were multiple defensive collapses that season as well.
Like anything, it is never just one reason for something. But I don't know if I would be willing to go so far as to say that Art 2 was totally off-base in his statement.
Holy crap... I just had a realization.there goes Art II meddling again...
Did the Professor used to go by "GoFor7" over at SF???
Art II meddling... lawyer... love for Arians... BINGO!!!
And being able to effectively run the ball with a lead late in games is just such a "game situation" that I was referencing.
Steelers take the lead in Baltimore.
Next Ravens drive? Tying FG.
Steelers take the lead in Kansas City.
Next Chiefs drive? Touchdown.
Steelers take the lead vs. Raiders.
Next Raiders drive? Touchdown.
Steelers take the lead again.
Next Raiders drive? Touchdown.
Four drives, if they make ONE stop, in those four drives? They make the playoffs.
Can't protect them all day. The defense has to go on the field at some point.
He was right.
The Defense was the main culprit, but the Offense constantly going 3 and out and inability to sustain drives or score points contributed to it as well. The Steelers had the absolute worst fourth quarter offense ever in those days. They couldn't answer the other team's surging momentum.
Collapses are a team effort. Famously, Houston blew a 32-point lead in the playoffs. The defense couldn't hold the lead of course, but what people don't pay attention to, is the Oilers Offense getting shut out and inability to put the game out of hand so Buffalo couldn't come back. One single answered touchdown, and that game is over.
It was how the Steelers escaped against the Broncos back in Week 15. The Steelers don't win that game if the Broncos score at any point in the second half.
7th ranked offense.
9th in first downs on offense.
3rd in TOP.
Constantly going three and out?
Once again you only quoted and responded to a portion of my post. Here is the rest "Obviously, there were multiple defensive collapses that season as well. Like anything, it is never just one reason for something. But I don't know if I would be willing to go so far as to say that Art 2 was totally off-base in his statement."
The defense had a problem holding leads that season and the offense had a problem putting games away. One of the many reasons for that was their inability to run in short yardage and what Tomlin and others have termed "4 minute offense" situations.
It was hotly debated here and on other Steelers forums what Art 2 meant by his comment. General consensus is that he simply meant that if it is 3rd and 1, an NFL team needs to have a credible threat that they can convert that by running the ball. The 2009 Steelers did not. How is this even still up for debate?
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...009_splits.htm
There it is in glorious black and white - 3rd and 1-4 yards to go the 2009 Steelers rushed 26 times in that situation and converted 16 of them.
Sadly, it is something they have not actually improved that much on.
Who dicked around for four quarters before deciding to play? It wasn't the Defense.
Who gave up a opening drive kickoff and nursing a 17-14, throws a 94-yard interception return to Andy Studebaker, giving the Chiefs new life and deep within Steelers territory, where they tie the game up?Steelers take the lead in Kansas City.
Next Chiefs drive? Touchdown.
Who is held scoreless by a terrible Raiders Defense in the third quarter, and only scored until the Raiders took the lead?Steelers take the lead vs. Raiders.
Next Raiders drive? Touchdown.
They make one stop on Defense and learn to finish games on Offense, they're in the playoffs.Four drives, if they make ONE stop, in those four drives? They make the playoffs.
Can't ask the Defense to hold teams down all game, the Offense has to score some points and do it's part at some point.Can't protect them all day. The defense has to go on the field at some point.
Complete team collapse done in 2009.
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Mediocre 368 points scored all season?7th ranked offense.
9th in first downs on offense.
3rd in TOP.
Constantly going three and out?
Held to six points by a terrible Cleveland Browns team on Thursday Night with the season on the line? Defense holds Cleveland to 13 points, but our great Offense can only manage SIX.
Ben one of the most sacked Quarterbacks yet again?
Barely converting 3rd and short?
Held scoreless by a terrible Raiders team in the third quarter?
Scoring 30 points only three times all season?
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You seem to miss the concept of "Context."7th ranked offense.
9th in first downs on offense.
3rd in TOP.
Constantly going three and out?
They had 105 plays on first down in the fourth quarter of 2009. They had 50 plays on 3rd down in the fourth quarter of 2009. Moreover, right around 75 percent of the time, or 176 plays, they had over 7 yards to drive for a first down. On top of that, only 30 percent of their plays resulted in a first down, and most of those, (55 percent) were through the air.
The Steelers offense was not good in the 2nd and 4th quarters that year. Our defense was even worse. The concept, then, was to slow the game down, run the ball, eat up clock, and let the defense rest for a while. That's why the comment was "Run better" not "Run more," because at that point, they were average in the run game (average in Yards per attempt, average in 1st downs gained, and below average [22nd] in TDs by run).
Thank you. As always, a well laid out post.
Who dicked around for four quarters before deciding to play?
They were playing with Dennis freaking Dixon FFS. What did you want? 30 points?
Hey look, everyone got what they wanted: Evil Bruce Arians was shown the door, Ben was put in the corner and spanked by his boss and told to change, and Art II hired a Yinzer to run the offense.
I look forward to our game next week.
Oh wait.....
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The concept, then, was to slow the game down, run the ball, eat up clock, and let the defense rest for a while.
Very good. Which is exactly why you can't, look at total points scored.
Like I posted, Haley gets MORE credit, for garbage time yards/points in losses, than what BA did in winning AFC titles and a Super Bowl ring.
And that's embarrassing.
Dennis Dixon...and how do you think he got on the roster??? Bruce Arians. He liked him at Oregon, he believed in him in Pittsburgh and he signed him in Arizona...lol. Arians did that. Not Haley.
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Typical. Forget our number 1 receiver and running back was out, as was our number 2 running back. Forget about our probowl center being out for the year. God forbid we don't make the AFCCG after all the adversity this team faced this year in injury and changeover at the DC position. Yep, it had to be because Art II hired a Yinzer. Of course, as far as Yinzer's are concerned, Arians went to highschool in York, PA. But I guess he got booted because that's not close enough to Pittsburgh. Right?
Look, I had very little problems with Arians. Go check the threads from those days and you'll find me complaining very little. But your post here is pretty ridiculous, to be honest.
Um . . . No.Very good. Which is exactly why you can't, look at total points scored.
Like I posted, Haley gets MORE credit, for garbage time yards/points in losses, than what BA did in winning AFC titles and a Super Bowl ring.
And that's embarrassing. [/I][/COLOR]
Again, I see you struggle with context. Of course, on this one I could have been clearer. Rooney demanded they run the ball more efficiently the following year, part of which would be to protect the lead and give the defense a breather.
BA had a problem getting Ben into the redzone and protecting him from himself (demanding more short passes). Haley has helped in those areas, but has his own problems. Neither are perfect, and neither are horrible. Your fascination with one over the other is strange.
That's a lovely story. But it has nothing to do with the point. Dixon only played because Ben got hurt in Kansas City and then Batch aggravated a previously hidden injury (some say he did it playing basketball during the season) in the same game.
I mean be serious. The days of having three QB's on the roster of similar skill sets are over.
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Rooney demanded they run the ball more efficiently the following year, part of which would be to protect the lead and give the defense a breather.
And I'm saying you can't protect/build leads when you take a lead, and then the defense goes back onto the field and gives the points right back.
And NO ONE, fans, media, NFL experts who cover this team, EVER bashes this team for this problem.
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Typical. Forget our number 1 receiver and running back was out, as was our number 2 running back. Forget about our probowl center being out for the year.
And the injuries Arians dealt with in Denver when Dick LeBeau's #1 ranked defense was embarrassed?
That didn't matter. The wicked witch was melted. And Todd Haley was going to save the day.
But he can't, and won't, because he's too interested in promoting HIMSELF.
If Todd Haley was from Boston, and did the crap he's done on offense since he's been here? His ass would have been fired after 2013 (Like it should have been).
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Dennis Dixon is one of the few QBs who has Super Bowl rings with 2 different teams.
All Defense!
So you're saying Arians had a 2X Super Bowl winner at QB?
Poor Gale Gilbert was on the 1990-1993 Bills, then the 1994 Chargers.
"None for the Thumb"
I'm surprised it took you this long to get to one of your very favorites:
Todd Haley is nothing but a yinzer ex-golf coach who only got the job because of who his Daddy is...
Todd Haley is nothing but a yinzer ex-golf coach who only got the job because of who his Daddy is...
Absolutely. The NFL agrees with me. No one wants to hire him.
He's a mental case. The rest of the league knows it.
By the way, YOU know, for a fact, that I wanted Kubiak to replace Haley after 2013 if they wouldn't promote Fichtner.
We didn't, and Kubiak has ended our season, twice.
YOU know for a fact, that I've always been a fan of Wade Phillips, and posted after last season that if we were going to stay 3-4 that we should hire him.
We didn't, the HOF QB from Denver did.
And their playing next week.
While we continue to blow chances with status quo BS.
Maybe you should just be a Broncos fan then since the Steelers are so fucked up and bad...lol.
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