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    Airing of grievances thread, Steelers specific.

    In honor of Festivus ( yes I know there's a thread on that elsewhere, but indulge me) here's a place to air grievances within the family.

    I'll start. And I'm directing this at many Steeler fans who bought into the myth that anytime Ben passes more than 30 times the Steelers are in dire straights. This comes from a horrible process I refer to as "backfitting". Backfitting in sports is the process where some geek goes over multiple box scores and tries to find common and generally irrelevant links that occurred in these losses and then and goes and assigns disproportionate relevance to whatever stat they dig up. As is true with most cases of selective backfitting where other relevant going's on weren't considered in drawing a conclusion it hardly ever works going forward. Thus this explains why trend players generally go broke! And of course as we know the last two seasons have blown this stupid little theory completely out of the water!

    Of course this little stat was generally trotted out to make the case that Ben was nothing more than a game manager.The less Ben the better so to speak. Of course what this nitwit theory failed to take into account was more often than not the Steelers would use the pass to build up a lead, and then revert to "Marty-ball" aka take the air out of the ball to preserve the lead. And the way those teams were built and the way the NFL enforced it's rules a few years back it made some sense them. But getting back to the idiocy of the theory in the first place as it related to Ben's abilities or lack thereof. The AFC playoff run of 2005 perfectly illustrates my case. Ben played brilliantly in all 3 AFC playoff games. Yet in none of the 3 games did he have 30 pass attempts. But here's the thing take the Colt's game for example, he had a total of 24 pass attempts. But 14 came in the first quarter while he staked the Steelers to a 14-0 lead. That the Steelers only chose to pass 4 times in the second half could have cost them the game. A game they controlled at the line of scrimmage the entire day. Next came the AFC title game in Denver. Ben passed 17 times in the first half helping stake the Steelers to a 24-3 lead. He ended up with 29 attempts. Unless my math is faulty if the Steelers had chose to play at the same tempo both halves Ben would have easily got to 30 attempts.

    I could go on. I can find dozens of wins where Ben would pass the ball 20+ times in the first 30-35 minutes establishing the Steelers offensive momentum, then the passing game would be put on ice until the next week. But regardless, the numbskulls wouldn't relent. We even had the case made on this board as recently as last year ( before the December run to the playoffs) that anytime the Steelers needed to pass more than 30 times Ben would turn into Dr. Hyde and we had no chance to ever win with a pass happy game plan!

    Anywhere there's my rant. Feel free to add your own or comment on mine.
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    Re: Airing of grievances thread, Steelers specific.

    I remember in 2005, the Steelers were one of the best team in 3rd down and long ....


    Also, this is true that in 2005, when the Steelers had a good lead in the 2nd half, the Steelers had very few pass attempts but in the first half it was often 50/50 run/pass ratio.

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    Re: Airing of grievances thread, Steelers specific.

    Ok...here's my grievance. It drives me batty to hear so many people call Coach Tomlin a f*cking idiot. We may not necessarily all agree with his choices, (I certainly don't ) but the team is sitting at 9-5 and "should" realistically finish at 11-5. Given our early injuries, 11-5 is a pretty good accomplishment.

    Idiot is the last thing I would call him. I try to stick by the old adage that I don't want to type something online that I wouldn't be prepared to say to someone's face. Except for my buddy Hensley. I love that goofy bastard. Lol
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    Re: Airing of grievances thread, Steelers specific.

    Quote Originally Posted by msafford View Post
    Ok...here's my grievance. It drives me batty to hear so many people call Coach Tomlin a f*cking idiot. We may not necessarily all agree with his choices, (I certainly don't ) but the team is sitting at 9-5 and "should" realistically finish at 11-5. Given our early injuries, 11-5 is a pretty good accomplishment.

    Idiot is the last thing I would call him. I try to stick by the old adage that I don't want to type something online that I wouldn't be prepared to say to someone's face. Except for my buddy Hensley. I love that goofy bastard. Lol
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    Re: Airing of grievances thread, Steelers specific.

    Quote Originally Posted by msafford View Post
    Ok...here's my grievance. It drives me batty to hear so many people call Coach Tomlin a f*cking idiot. We may not necessarily all agree with his choices, (I certainly don't ) but the team is sitting at 9-5 and "should" realistically finish at 11-5. Given our early injuries, 11-5 is a pretty good accomplishment.

    Idiot is the last thing I would call him. I try to stick by the old adage that I don't want to type something online that I wouldn't be prepared to say to someone's face. Except for my buddy Hensley. I love that goofy bastard. Lol
    The only thing I do not like of Tomlin for this year, this is the situation of Blake.

    But I'm very happy with the team record and the job of Tomlin this year since Ben has missed four games and the steelers also had a tough schedule.

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    Re: Airing of grievances thread, Steelers specific.

    Quote Originally Posted by msafford View Post
    Ok...here's my grievance. It drives me batty to hear so many people call Coach Tomlin a f*cking idiot. We may not necessarily all agree with his choices, (I certainly don't ) but the team is sitting at 9-5 and "should" realistically finish at 11-5. Given our early injuries, 11-5 is a pretty good accomplishment.

    Idiot is the last thing I would call him. I try to stick by the old adage that I don't want to type something online that I wouldn't be prepared to say to someone's face. Except for my buddy Hensley. I love that goofy bastard. Lol
    Tomlin is starting Blake this weekend.


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    Re: Airing of grievances thread, Steelers specific.

    #1 complaint: Michael Vick is a Steeler.
    #2 complaint: Our secondary is awful.
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    Re: Airing of grievances thread, Steelers specific.

    I would calm Tomlin an idiot to his face for starting Blake and continuing to do so when it's proven that Blake in the sidelines is a better thing than Blake on the field. I'd also call him an idiot with sticking with Vick. He could feel free to call me an idiot as well.


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    Re: Airing of grievances thread, Steelers specific.

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    I would calm Tomlin an idiot to his face for starting Blake and continuing to do so when it's proven that Blake in the sidelines is a better thing than Blake on the field. I'd also call him an idiot with sticking with Vick. He could feel free to call me an idiot as well.
    I would also. People need to remember the context of the "Tomlin is an idiot" statements. They're being made as the result of a specific action. They're not a general statement.

    At this point I'm just tired of talking about it.
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    Re: Airing of grievances thread, Steelers specific.

    My grievance with Tomlin is not putting Burntwon Blake's ass on the bench and not playing Boykin who is obviously way better as well. There is no legitimate reason to keep doing this

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    Re: Airing of grievances thread, Steelers specific.

    While understanding this thread by it's nature invites discussion of Boykin vs Blake.

    My second Festivus grievance with my fellow Steeler fans is that there are more threads about Boykin and Blake than there are threads concerning any three other Steeler players combined!

    I mean really! And why do we have to keep posting new threads when the story basically never changes? I mean if Blake cuts in front of Boykin at the Steelers practice facility cafeteria tomorrow could't we just add it to one of the 200 threads already about them rather than creating a half dozen new threads with this added twist?

    Look I'm as confused as anyone about the situation with the two. And the only thing keeping me from rabidly endorsing Tomlin for coach of the year is his perplexing loyalty to Blake. But damn it! Can we stop creating new threads about them every time one of them farts?
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    Re: Airing of grievances thread, Steelers specific.

    My main issue has been why is his so called son is even dressed for the game? I guess after his son gets burned a couple more times the correct player will be playing.

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    Re: Airing of grievances thread, Steelers specific.

    Injuries. While last year was a pretty good year, Bell got injured at the worst time.

    This year has been near epic.

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    Re: Airing of grievances thread, Steelers specific.

    My third grievance is Josh Scobee. That asshat most likely cost the Steelers the division, and a first round bye. Never mind how his missed fgs's shaped the season opening loss to the Cheats. Him almost single footedly losing the game to the Ravens is why instead of fighting for the division lead we're looking to secure a wildcard spot.
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    Re: Airing of grievances thread, Steelers specific.

    Antwan Blake, Shamarko Thomas, Michael Vick and most of all, Jacoby Jones. There's no reason to have them on this roster...if they were all cut today, they wouldn't be on an NFL roster Coke season's end...maybe Blake would...he could possibly make someone's special teams...he's been just below average in that area...which is his ceiling.


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    Re: Airing of grievances thread, Steelers specific.

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Antwan Blake, Shamarko Thomas, Michael Vick and most of all, Jacoby Jones. There's no reason to have them on this roster...if they were all cut today, they wouldn't be on an NFL roster Coke season's end...maybe Blake would...he could possibly make someone's special teams...he's been just below average in that area...which is his ceiling.
    I think they should dress Coats and get rid of Jacoby!

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