Tim Tebow.
Tim Tebow.
Interesting. I went and saw that debacle in person and that is when I thought LeBeau should have been shown the door, as opposed to 3 years later when it actually happened.Originally Posted by zoneblitzerII
Nothing more clutch than coming into a game that 99% of other quarterbacks would be injured inactive for.
He's still one of the best in the league.
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After today, let's say no
Good thing the Steelers don't have a bum like Aaron Rodgers. Two weeks in a row he has the chance to give the Packers a chance to tie or win at the end of the game. Both times he failed.
Haven't seen hide nor hair of the OP today. Just sayin'...
Ben wasn't "clutch" today...he was just good from the beginning...lol. Or should I say...as a back up?
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I have not seen every game in every season the last 20 years, but of EVERY game I have EVER seen (including all other games I've seen of other teams) that was the worst coaching job I had ever seen. Horrid on DL's
part for going with that failed game plan, and awful on Tomlin's side for not MAKING DL alter his game plan after it was OBVIOUS that the total single coverage on the wide outs was the ONLY defense that Tebow could
throw on. Being stubborn is a trait that often happens when you get old, and that was a disastrous example of being too inflexible. The fact that they stayed in that D after Tebow ripped them down field all day
is outrageous. It took Tebow one play in OT to further showcase what a dumb game plan that was. But DL and Tomlin did NOTHING to alter it. Not a damn thing. But he sure had man-love for Troy.
Yesterday against Baltimore.
2:55 left. 1 timeout. Result? Nada.
Old Ben shakes off all the shit that went down and drives his team to the win.
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So which Ben was it that threw 3 second half td passes to rally the Steelers to beat the Broncos the week before?
"A man's got to know his limitations."
How has Ben done in "clutch" situations?
Old Ben manufactures that drive when you absolutely have to have it. The comeback against the Broncos was nice but he almost blew it with a late INT. Clutch, to me, means the ability to deliver when the game is on the line in its final moments. That was Ben's strength years ago but since the SB against Green Bay, that magical ability of his has faded.
this is honestly a fair question to ask
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and threw an interception that would have unraveled it all if not for an outstanding defensive stand. if peyton manning had the same game, we'd all be calling him the choke artist (that he is)
Ben is my QB, but i can agree with the sentiment that he doesnt quite have the killer instinct that 2004-2008 Ben used to. Ben has come so far in terms of skill as a QB but his clutch factor hasnt kept up. im still optimistic about that kicking back in if we make the playoffs this season or in the future
Without Roethlisberger, this is at best a 5-11 team and pretty much out of any realistic playoff contention before Halloween. That's the real bottom line here.
No doubt Ben is a capable starter who can deliver the wins. But in recent years he has lost some magical intangibles like the ability to engineer drives when they are in a do or die situation. That great part of his game has eroded. So when he is given the ball with 2:55 left and 1 timeout we can now expect that him and his offense will more than likely fail to deliver. That's the current reality of it. Once upon a time, he was money in this regard and that was his forte. Now we are seeing a QB on the backside of his career starting to lose his intangibles and play-making ability in crunch time. It's just that simple. The team needs to adjust and recognize that. Talk to Ben about it. They can't keep pretending that he's that guy who would engineer late 4th quarter drives on a routine basis. That guy is gone.
Ben delivered a beautiful pass to Bryant on 3rd and 15. He couldn't hold on to it. That's not Ben's fault.
Ben is still clutch, and I'd take him over anyone in a 2 minute drill. Knock off the nonsense.
I don't think it is his abilities that have eroded, but his decision making. He has blinders on for AB which is understandable, but more often than not he misses the completely uncovered and already passed the marker guy trying to force it to to his preferred read in double or sometimes triple coverage.
Deangelo Williams was draped by two guys wearing them as jerseys and Ben still tossed it to him and then seemed to be baffled as to how the throw was intercepted.
I have always been suspect of his ability to read a defense and make the best play manageable. Some of his decisions are mind boggling. This seems to be getting worse. 50 yard passes on 3rd and 1.... 2 yard passes on 3rd and 8....
There is little efficiency with this offense. Big play or die.... and they are dying.
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I don't know. But just a week ago Ben was rated as having the best season to date of any NFL qb by Profootballfocus. Now them saying it doesn't make it true, but most people who have watched the Steelers through the years would have comfortably stated that Ben was having his best season ever prior to the Ravens game. Yeah I get his stats weren't his best ever, but there's more to the game than statistics show.
He had one bad game! Yep it came at the worst possible time ever. But it wasn't his fault the way the season evolved that the Steelers had no margin of error. And as far as clutch goes, as bad as he was in Baltimore his last two passes were right on the mark. If either is caught then the Steelers are at worst going to OT.
Personally what I think happened to Ben is what happened to him last year and shows why coaching is so paramount to sustained success. What I'm referring to is this. Sometimes you can play too good. If you remember last season after Ben had the two back to back career games against the Colts and Ravens he followed up with two stinkers against the Jets and Saints. What happened then was Ben was so in the zone that he got away from proper throwing mechanics. If you're a moderate bowler you may get this. Say you get in the zone, everything you throw gravitates to the into the pocket for a powerful strike! Even when you miss you're ball goes Brooklyn and pow you're still there. Anyway I'm not saying Ben was playing above ability, well to some extent because he was virtually playing above anyone's ability. What I'm saying is no matter how good you are you can't sustain success if you lose track of your fundamentals. Ben became overconfident and thought he could will the ball anywhere anytime and he paid for it. And speaking of too much of a good thing I half think he went into this past game trying to help AB set single season records.
Oh well, I know it will probably be too little too late but I expect Ben to rebound this coming week and play a helluva game.
You know in the end if it doesn't happen this year maybe it just wasn't meant to be? There's always next year. Hopefully the Steelers will address some of their defensive needs correctly, we'll have better luck on the health front and we'll have a team that actually can be the best in the league by all measures.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
I think you need to define what a "clutch situation" is first and then apply that to Ben. The situation he was in during Super Bowl 43 is pretty clutch IMO and he came through with a TD pass to Santonio Holmes? But what is clutch?
No, he's more than that. Neil O'Donnell was a "capable starter." People seem to forget the couple decades of "journeymen" this team suffered through after Bradshaw retired. Not to worry, unless we get supremely lucky, those times are close enough at hand again. Chances are better that we get another Landry Jones than another Ben Roethlisberger when the time comes. We'll see how much people continue to bitch about Roethlisberger when the next guy is one-hopping passes in the dirt in front of wide open receivers.
They MUST do something about the secondary. If it stays status quo back there, I will probably jump on the fire Tomlin bandwagon at that point.
Look Ben had a bad day lets move on and, like Gary said without Ben this team would be in deep trouble.
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It seems there's two or three arguments in this thread.
First - Is Ben a great QB? The answer is yes, absolutely. No doubt about it.
Second - Is Ben the reason this team has a shot at the playoffs and can be considered a good team? Again, absolutely. No doubt about it.
Third - Is Ben still a clutch QB, that guy that in the fourth quarter, when you absolutely need a drive to win a game, you want him holding the ball? Let's look at the stats that Gary so kindly linked.
In 2012-2014, Ben's had three game winning drives each season. That's pretty dang good. In 2011, he had 1. However, in his first year and also the second SB year, Ben had 6 game winning drives. The year we lost the SB, he had 4 game winning drives. Other than that, he's averaged 2 or 3 game winning drives each year.
Now, compare that to the leaders each year - This year, Ben has one GWD, the leaders this year have 4.
Last year, Ben had 3, leaders had 5
2013, Ben had 3, leaders had 5
2012, Ben had 3, leaders had 7.
The interesting thing about this trend, is that only a couple or three QBs make the list more than once. So, is Ben still clutch? The other question is how often had they had the opportunity to win a game? It seems Ben missed quite a few over the last few years, but that's purely on memory. It IS obvious Ben isn't winning as many as at his high points during his career, but, he's at least average an average clutch QB today. Pair that with his average play, and it means he's a QB I'd still be happy to have on my team.
4th quarter/OT comeback wins/playoff wins
simple as that for me. they havent been there as much as they used to be
Is that Ben or the whole team in general that they haven't been there?
That's what I would call clutch too BTW.
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^ This. Ben is still clutch, but he is not a demigod. He has good days and bad days just like the rest of us. There is no such thing as a QB who never goes out and stinks up the field.
Ask around and see how many other teams wouldn't take Ben over their QB.
/life goes on
//suck it up
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