Vick and Steeler's defense will determine Big Ben's return

[StillCurtains]

I know that we've all heard that Ben's recovery is going well and we are hoping for no setbacks.
However, I believe it will be on Vick and/or the defense to determine when Ben returns.

Ben looks on schedule for the 4 week time table. Although that may be true, I would like Ben game ready by 4 weeks, but actually return after 6 weeks.

If Both Vick and the defense, and/ or one or the other can string along some wins for the Steelers, I feel the coaches will be comfortable giving Ben a little extra time for precautionary reasons.

If Vick and/ or the defense struggles to register enough wins, I fear the coaches will pull the plug on returning Ben to early and have a high risk for reinjury.

All we can simply ask for is wins at this point. Here's hoping for the best!

[katmandu]

Ben will determine when Ben returns. No-one else.

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[Dissolv]

Vick and the Defense will determine when we WANT Ben to return. Ben and the doctors will determine when he actually returns.


Dissolv

[StillCurtains]

Vick and the Defense will determine when we WANT Ben to return. Ben and the doctors will determine when he actually returns.


Dissolv

EXCUSE ME!!!

Jeez, you guys are entitled to your opinions, but I had no idea I was pissing in anyone's cornflakes! My goodness take it easy! Why the hostility?

If it was me that disagreed with your post, my approach would have been more like:
Well unfortunately I would have to disagree. I actually feel that Ben and the doctors will determine when Ben returns, but not Vick and the defense.

You see the difference? It's not that your points are not valid! They are and I respect them, but chill!

[teegre]

Ben will determine when Ben returns. No-one else.

How dare the two of you...

Vick and the Defense will determine when we WANT Ben to return. Ben and the doctors will determine when he actually returns.


Dissolv

...post an opinion that differs from that of the OP!!!

[StillCurtains]

How dare the two of you...



...post an opinion that differs from that of the OP!!!

I suppose you haven't read my response to their post have you?
One thing I noticed about you on these threads, is that you never seem to have
any substance on any of the topics, you just show up with these wise crack one liners.
Go on and heckle Heckler! It's easy to see your day isn't complete without doing so.

So, please by all means, continue...

[teegre]

I suppose you haven't read my response to their post have you?
One thing I noticed about you on these threads, is that you never seem to have
any substance on any of the topics, you just show up with these wise crack one liners.
Go on and heckle Heckler! It's easy to see your day isn't complete without doing so.

So, please by all means, continue...

Calm down, Tim.

[StillCurtains]

Calm down, Tim.

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Nah Bro, as I said please continue on your Heckling! Mind if I call you Heckler?
Or perhaps maybe you can enlighten me on some things you think about this team!
I know that's out of your comfort zone but I would be happy to listen!

Going once.... Going Twice......

[86WARD]

Well unfortunately I would have to disagree. I actually feel that Ben and the doctors will determine when Ben returns, but not Vick and the defense.

[teegre]

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Nah Bro, as I said please continue on your Heckling! Mind if I call you Heckler?
Or perhaps maybe you can enlighten me on some things you think about this team!
I know that's out of your comfort zone but I would be happy to listen!

Going once.... Going Twice......

Well unfortunately I would have to disagree. I actually feel that Ben and the doctors will determine when Ben returns, but not Vick and the defense.

[Rotorhead]

EXCUSE ME!!!

Jeez, you guys are entitled to your opinions, but I had no idea I was pissing in anyone's cornflakes! My goodness take it easy! Why the hostility?

If it was me that disagreed with your post, my approach would have been more like:
Well unfortunately I would have to disagree. I actually feel that Ben and the doctors will determine when Ben returns, but not Vick and the defense.

You see the difference? It's not that your points are not valid! They are and I respect them, but chill!

Wow, a little sensitive are we? They just responded with their thoughts on your topic. You do realize this is a forum right, and people don't have to be polite. Most people just post their thoughts, and honestly I didnt read any hostility in their responses, just typical responses on a message board. We are all happy you would have responded more politely, but if you are this sensitive about posts this civil, you may as well delete your account cause things get real rude around here, especially after a loss. You need to get some thicker skin son.

[katmandu]

EXCUSE ME!!!

Jeez, you guys are entitled to your opinions, but I had no idea I was pissing in anyone's cornflakes! My goodness take it easy! Why the hostility?

If it was me that disagreed with your post, my approach would have been more like:
Well unfortunately I would have to disagree. I actually feel that Ben and the doctors will determine when Ben returns, but not Vick and the defense.

You see the difference? It's not that your points are not valid! They are and I respect them, but chill!

You get offended way to easily young buck. Chill out and don't take everything as a personal attack against your ego.

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[vasteeler]

EXCUSE ME!!!

Jeez, you guys are entitled to your opinions, but I had no idea I was pissing in anyone's cornflakes! My goodness take it easy! Why the hostility?

If it was me that disagreed with your post, my approach would have been more like:
Well unfortunately I would have to disagree. I actually feel that Ben and the doctors will determine when Ben returns, but not Vick and the defense.

You see the difference? It's not that your points are not valid! They are and I respect them, but chill!

heed you own advice dude

[86WARD]

You get offended way to easily young buck. Chill out and don't take everything as a personal attack against your ego.

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Well unfortunately he would have to disagree. He actually feels that Ben and the doctors would determine his sensitivity not you, Vick or the Steelers Defense.

[Steelman]

[StillCurtains]

heed you own advice dude

And heeding my own advice would be in regard to...... what actually?

[Count Steeler]

And heeding my own advice would be in regard to...... what actually?

Chill out. Notice the letters that are ​bolded.

[StillCurtains]

Chill out. Notice the letters that are ​bolded.

Count, Chill out? As to what? I simply asked my man a question!
Last I checked I had no beef with you!

You're asking me to chill out, take a look at the other posts.

[Count Steeler]

Count, Chill out? As to what? I simply asked my man a question!
Last I checked I had no beef with you!

You're asking me to chill out, take a look at the other posts.

I'm responding to your question to vasteeler. vasteeler quoted you and bolded chill out. That is what he is referring to.

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EXCUSE ME!!!

Jeez, you guys are entitled to your opinions, but I had no idea I was pissing in anyone's cornflakes! My goodness take it easy! Why the hostility?

If it was me that disagreed with your post, my approach would have been more like:
Well unfortunately I would have to disagree. I actually feel that Ben and the doctors will determine when Ben returns, but not Vick and the defense.

You see the difference? It's not that your points are not valid! They are and I respect them, but chill!

heed you own advice dude

And heeding my own advice would be in regard to...... what actually?

Count, Chill out? As to what? I simply asked my man a question!
Last I checked I had no beef with you!

You're asking me to chill out, take a look at the other posts.

Get it now?

[TeeTee]

EXCUSE ME!!!

Jeez, you guys are entitled to your opinions, but I had no idea I was pissing in anyone's cornflakes! My goodness take it easy! Why the hostility?

If it was me that disagreed with your post, my approach would have been more like:
Well unfortunately I would have to disagree. I actually feel that Ben and the doctors will determine when Ben returns, but not Vick and the defense.

You see the difference? It's not that your points are not valid! They are and I respect them, but chill!

Obvious troll.

[StillCurtains]

Obvious troll.

Whatever dude, trolling my own thread!

[TeeTee]

Whatever dude, trolling my own thread!

[StillCurtains]

I'm responding to your question to vasteeler. vasteeler quoted you and bolded chill out. That is what he is referring








Get it now?

That's what I'm referring to as well. I asked him a simple question! I didn't insult him. You seem like a cool guy Count.
I'm with you on not responding to posts as if we're pre-k Kids. Yes, I shot back at some to prove a point. You have folks talking about having tough skin. Having tough skin and having sensitive feelings has nothing to do with it.

This is an adult board, so I had the expectation of having adult responses, even in disagreement. I truly didn't expect to have pre school responses like a kid that ran home and took his ball.

That's my point.

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Wouldn't trolling be one that is hopping on the actual Op's post?

[TeeTee]

That's what I'm referring to as well. I asked him a simple question! I didn't insult him. You seem like a cool guy Count.
I'm with you on not responding to posts as if we're pre-k Kids. Yes, I shot back at some to prove a point. You have folks talking about having tough skin. Having tough skin and having sensitive feelings has nothing to do with it.

This is an adult board, so I had the expectation of having adult responses, even in disagreement. I truly didn't expect to have pre school responses like a kid that ran home and took his ball.

That's my point.

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Wouldn't trolling be one that is hopping on the actual Op's post?

[StillCurtains]

Couldn't agree more! You're a waste to feed!!!

[TeeTee]

Characteristics

A troll usually has little or no interest in contributing to the development of the site in question and is interested in some or all of the following:

• Deliberately angering people.
• Breaking the normal flow of debate/discussion.
• Disrupting the smooth operation of the site.
• Deliberately being annoying for the sake of being obnoxious. For instance, using abusive names to refer to all the members on the site.
• Pretending to be profoundly ignorant or stupid, gleaning some weird sense of having "won" when other users subsequently come to believe this.
• Making itself the main topic of interest or discussion.^[2]

[edit]Motives

Save a goat, starve a troll!

It is probable that, for the troll, the last point is the most important. To this end it will post deliberately inflammatory messages which generate inflammatory responses; complain about being the victim of the inflammatory responses; endeavor to obtain allies against the discrimination it feels; turn on those same allies, etc. The whole objective of the exercise is to disrupt or make someone do something you wanted them to do for laughs.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Don't_feed_the_Troll

[StillCurtains]

Characteristics

A troll usually has little or no interest in contributing to the development of the site in question and is interested in some or all of the following:

• Deliberately angering people.
• Breaking the normal flow of debate/discussion.
• Disrupting the smooth operation of the site.
• Deliberately being annoying for the sake of being obnoxious. For instance, using abusive names to refer to all the members on the site.
• Pretending to be profoundly ignorant or stupid, gleaning some weird sense of having "won" when other users subsequently come to believe this.
• Making itself the main topic of interest or discussion.^[2]

[edit]Motives

Save a goat, starve a troll!

It is probable that, for the troll, the last point is the most important. To this end it will post deliberately inflammatory messages which generate inflammatory responses; complain about being the victim of the inflammatory responses; endeavor to obtain allies against the discrimination it feels; turn on those same allies, etc. The whole objective of the exercise is to disrupt or make someone do something you wanted them to do for laughs.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Don't_feed_the_Troll

Ok dude who did I attack? Have you read these responses of posters?
I didn't make myself the topic of discussion, the responders did. Also most of them were making responses indirectly: meaning, they were responding to each other's responses making jabs at the Op! How about your troll responses?

You didn't respond to me directly either! You did things indirectly as well saying the Op this and the Op that responding to other posters. Doing that shows blatant disrespect towards the Op. Pretty much like talking behind someone's back than actually addressing the Op in disagreement. The only time you responded directly was your troll post!

If you disagree, cool tell me directly! I understand! I respect your opinion. The problem is the angle you and many other posters chose to take is the issue.

[Count Steeler]

OK, another thread in jeopardy. Knock it off, gentlemen.

Guys/gals, personally I don't think Stillcurtains is a troll. Let's lay off the name calling and let's get used to each other. Stillcurtains is still relatively new, still less than 100 posts, but he has contributed some good insight and some good posts.

And, it may be worthwhile to read the COC once in a while.

Now let's get back to Steelers football.

[TeeTee]

Ok dude who did I attack? Have you read these responses of posters?
I didn't make myself the topic of discussion, the responders did. Also most of them were making responses indirectly: meaning, they were responding to each other's responses making jabs at the Op! How about your troll responses?

You didn't respond to me directly either! You did things indirectly as well saying the Op this and the Op that responding to other posters. Doing that shows blatant disrespect towards the Op. Pretty much like talking behind someone's back than actually addressing the Op in disagreement. The only time you responded directly was your troll post!

If you disagree, cool tell me directly! I understand! I respect your opinion. The problem is the angle you and many other posters chose to take is the issue.

You are the only person I have ever accused of trolling on this message board; no one else.

An effective troll doesn't come out and attack anyone; an effective troll tries really hard to play the "Hey don't attack me, man, we are all fans here" while knowingly posting things to incite and inflame, like "Vick and D will determine when Ben comes back" knowing full well, the masses would disagree. They aren't gonna risk Ben's health regardless of how Vick and D play. Forcing him out there early puts the season in more jeopardy than losing games beforehand. Of course, you know this, but taking this position incites flames, so you went with it. If you want to be treated with respect, that act accordingly. This board is especially friendly and forgiving. The mods make an extra effort to keep things cordial, unlike other board who claim to do so, but allow regulars to gang up on new posters at will. The guys running this are legitimately motivated to not allow bullying or ad hominem attacks. If posters are coming out of the woodwork towards you, there is good reason for it. Don't play the "What did I do?" card when you know exactly what your posts are likely to cause. No one has a problem with varying opinions, but when your prime motivation is to cause discourse, that's another matter.

[StillCurtains]

You are the only person I have ever accused of trolling on this message board; no one else.

An effective troll doesn't come out and attack anyone; an effective troll tries really hard to play the "Hey don't attack me, man, we are all fans here" while knowingly posting things to incite and inflame, like "Vick and D will determine when Ben comes back" knowing full well, the masses would disagree. They aren't gonna risk Ben's health regardless of how Vick and D play. Forcing him out there early puts the season in more jeopardy than losing games beforehand. Of course, you know this, but taking this position incites flames, so you went with it. If you want to be treated with respect, that act accordingly. This board is especially friendly and forgiving. The mods make an extra effort to keep things cordial, unlike other board who claim to do so, but allow regulars to gang up on new posters at will. The guys running this are legitimately motivated to not allow bullying or ad hominem attacks. If posters are coming out of the woodwork towards you, there is good reason for it. Don't play the "What did I do?" card when you know exactly what your posts are likely to cause. No one has a problem with varying opinions, but when your prime motivation is to cause discourse, that's another matter.

How am I trying to cause discourse? Some if the problem I see here is instead of reading the actual post, folks have a tendency to only look at the responses of the post, then attack and brainstorm.

There is no thread started where everyone is in agreement. The arguement is the blind sided comments that are made.

You came in here with attacking remarks as well as others. Look at the thread and see who was attacked, esp; when you look at the start of the thread! I'm far from a trouble maker. I'm not naive to think that everyone will agree with me, that's just not possible. I can disagree without insults.