Originally Posted by TRASHMAN
BS?! Vick couldn't make the throw could he? He missed numerous "easy" throws all night. Why the eff do you put the game in his hands at that point?! RUN THE DAMN BALL!! Once again, bad play call. Bad coaching. Please disagree all you want, but Tomlin & Haley deserve some blame. Scobee deserves most of it, but not all.
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Instead of Prevent Defense losing the game, it was Prevent Offense. As mentioned above, no long shots throughout the game made it more difficult to make 4th down.
Scobee owns most of the loss. I would have spread out the offense on 4th down and either handed off or short pass out of the backfield to Bell. Did not see much of Williams either.
They need to adapt to an unreliable K or get a new one.
All Defense!
If Scobee made those kicks, it still doesn't guarantee a win. A well designed and executed drive with less than 2:00 left in the game would have...
Not a bad play call at all. Ravens were loaded for bear at the LOS. AB, the #1 WR in the game and focus of most defensive game plans came WIDE open on the play. Great design. Then Vick fails to turn his shoulders to the throw? And misses a wide open reciever - hell AB was high school open, let alone NFL open. Sorry, at some point you have to assume some baseline competency from the players. IF you draw a paycheck in the NFL to play QB, it should be assumed you can make that play 10 out of 10 times. Hell, I bet Landry Jones hits that throw.
Do you all not see the logical inconsistency that is running rampant around here? If the players fail or a play doesn't work, the coaches should have known that in advance and made another decision. So the players are just perfectly functioning football automatons guided by the unerring judgement of the coaching staff? You all do realize that a coach can make the right call in a situation and the play can still fail?
I'm sorry, but from where I sat those fourth down calls were the proper thing to do. No way I'm letting Scoobee kick 50+ into the open end. The Ravens are too stout up front to simply line it up in the power I and slam into the middle for 2+ yards. Getting Vick on the edge was a good idea - the blocking was bad and Vick should have pressed the run more to the inside right up Miller and Villenueva's hip pocket rather than dancing out wide. The pass call - great call. Vick missed it. Nothing more to say about it.
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The 4th down calls should have involved Bell ( & or Williams ) who was the first RB in a long time to get over a 100 on the rats. That part of the calls helped this team loose.
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I agree.
“I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play!” - Jack Lambert
Vick can't make that throw. It shouldn't have been an option. Just like a 3rd &4 play on a day like yesterday shouldn't involve a WR running a 1 yard route.
Yesterday was one of the most painful losses in regular season than I ever had....This is terrible.
We'll have to agree to disagree here. That throw by a backup QB who is beyond his prime, doesn't know the playbook, was never an accurate passer, and was not sharp up until that point, was a low percentage play. I put better odds on Bell gaining the yard there every.single.time.
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and I agree with you.
you can't put all of the blame on Haley and Tomlin, but they should shoulder some of the responsibility for losing a game we should have won...
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I wish they would have run Vick to the far hash as opposed to the left hash which the ball was on. Gives you a little more open space. Plus I would have given the ball to Bell there. Bell made a lot of tacklers miss him last night. He was the best player on the fied for either team. I would have preferred to win or lose based on what Bell could do there. But overall I agree with your general sentiment.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
The reason you run to the left there is there is typically one less defender on the left. Running to the left from the left hash is fine. The play would have worked had they practiced it more and had Miller gotten out faster. He slowed the whole process down and the play was doomed from the start. If Miller gets out and makes his block, then Bell isn't looking to make two blocks on the play. Bell would be able to hold his first block. That disaster of a play was on Miller and possibly not practicing it enough.
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I understand you're speculating, but if that's not a play they're very practiced in then that's not a good play to call given the situation. If it was just a matter that Heath didn't execute his block ( or give credit to the defender or the defense for out executing or anticipation?) then that's different.
But to me that gets back to the point that I'm giving LeVeon the ball on whatever play he's most comfortable with. LeVeon has the ability to beat a stacked box. Again game on the line put the ball in the hands of your best player.
All that said I'm not blaming the coaches, the game was there to be had if the players execute the plays better.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
This is the reason that I am blaming the coaches. I don't think e team was ready to run that type of play there in that situation.
On a side note...there hasn't been much blame put on Berry who had pretty much a horrific game.
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Berry had a horrible game no doubt. Which was disappointing because he had such a solid start in the first three games. I just hope this isn't an indication that the higher the stakes get the worse he's going to be. But regardless I don't think too much has been said about Berry because Raven starting field position had little to do with the final score.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
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Bad coaching, play calling and decision making in the 2nd half.
"With love, with patience, and with Faith
....She'll make her way" ~ Natalie Merchant
How can it be argued that it was too conservative in the second half and that Vick shouldn't have been made to pass on 4th down in overtime at the same time? 2nd half play calls were conservative because the coaches agree with you all - Vick shouldn't be asked to do anything because he was inaccurate and terrible all night. Then in OT, the staff gambled that they could catch the Ravens by going against recent tendencies. All in all pretty standard stuff.
But, if I understand things right, the Steelers should have opened it up in the second half, thrown more, or at least deeper - to avoid even getting to overtime. Then in OT, they were wrong to pass at all, they should have just run Bell. Huh? At this point, I am only left to conclude that there are many here that just want to complain. For some every bad play, losing game, roster decision and what not is simply another example of how incompetent the staff is and how much better of a football coach they are. If that is the case, then I encourage you all to burnish your resumes and get a job coaching an NFL team. Clearly you would go 19-0 every year.
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