Steelers Woes Of Evaluating Secondary Continues

[TD's & Beer]

McCain, is now starting for the Dolphins.

Looks like it


All signs point to Brice McCain starting at corner for Miami Dolphins in opener

Barring a late change of plans, Brice McCain is expected to start at cornerback for the Miami Dolphins on Sunday against the Redskins, multiple sources have told the Miami Herald.

McCain, who signed with the Dolphins in the offseason, is believed to have won the last remaining position battle on the team. McCain was among the league’s top slot cornerbacks in football last year

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nf...e34381623.html

[hawaiiansteeler]

Q: Gerry, I'm surprised that Boykin hasn't cracked the top 3 at CB thus far. Any insight?

Gerry Dulac: He is having some problems and playing a little stiff. He's not even the nickel back. And for this they traded a fifth-round pick. It's all part of the mess that is the Steelers secondary right now

http://www.post-gazette.com/chat

[Steelman]

How can you expect much more than solid depth for a 5th round pick anyway? It's not like he was a top CB in the league, and didn't play outside at that. I liked Boykin in Philly and think he'll figure it out later in the season and move up into the nickel back full time, but I have no problem with him being 4th on the chart right now.

[86WARD]

Maybe some or all of this trash should be thrown out...

Phil Kreidler, College Scouting Coordinator
Brandon Hunt, Pro Personnel Coordinator
Rick Reiprish, Senior Assistant, College Scouting
Mark Bruener, College Scout
Mike Butler, College Scout
Dan Colbert, College/Pro Scout
Mark Gorscak, College Scout
Chidi Iwuoma, BLESTO Scout
Bruce McNorton, College Scout

[katmandu]

Just to add to this, the CB that we let leave in the off-season, McCain, is now starting for the Dolphins.

The Steeler's should have made more of an attempt to keep him.

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Gerry Dulac: He is having some problems and playing a little stiff. He's not even the nickel back. And for this they traded a fifth-round pick. It's all part of the mess that is the Steelers secondary right now

http://www.post-gazette.com/chat

This is going to take years to get the secondary straighten out. At the detriment to other positions I'm afraid. Not good.

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Maybe some or all of this trash should be thrown out...

Phil Kreidler, College Scouting Coordinator
Brandon Hunt, Pro Personnel Coordinator
Rick Reiprish, Senior Assistant, College Scouting
Mark Bruener, College Scout
Mike Butler, College Scout
Dan Colbert, College/Pro Scout
Mark Gorscak, College Scout
Chidi Iwuoma, BLESTO Scout
Bruce McNorton, College Scout

Certainly Coach Lake and Coach Butler have their say in who comes/goes in the secondary.

Hard to believe all the chaos going on in that unit with these guys at the helm.

[Count Steeler]

Think about our O Line just a few short years ago. Nary a concern today, except when injuries are involved. The O Line was neglected and then they had to spend some top draft picks to fill the holes. Now, they have neglected the secondary and it is going to take a while to rebuild. Once we have the talent, let's grab a Munchak quality coach for the secondary. Then another area will be weak.

[86WARD]

The shitty drafts and refusal to bring in big name free agents is starting to catch up with them. There's no depth or development coming out of these drafts and there's not enough starting talent...something has to be done.

[TD's & Beer]

Cortez Allen – in the first season of a four-year, $24.6 million contract

http://overthecap.com/player/cortez-allen/1588/



Don't forget about that move

and now the asswhack


If Boykin plays at least 60% of snaps for the Steelers, the Eagles get a 4th round pick in 2016

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2015/08...s-4th-in-2016/

[NCSteeler]

If we cut our entire secondary, would more than two of them be claimed off waivers


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[86WARD]

Possibly worse than I thought...lol.

[hawaiiansteeler]

[Steeldude]

So where are the fans who said you wouldn't see this type of play in the regular season?

Look at #41 Blake slow up and give a half-hearted attempt at a tackle. Golden wasn't any better.

[Count Steeler]

So, this is the first pre season game? NOW you decide to play defense, or what you hope passes for defense?

Let's see this crew in 4 weeks. That is what pre season is for, but for some strange reason, we went through FIVE pre season games without trying to get our defense in rhythm. Genius.

[86WARD]

So where are the fans who said you wouldn't see this type of play in the regular season?

Look at #41 Blake slow up and give a half-hearted attempt at a tackle. Golden wasn't any better.

I noticed that during the game...WTF. These guys need to go to the Ryan Clark school of hitting. Not one of them attempt to wrap their arms either...

[SteelerFanInStl]

So where are the fans who said you wouldn't see this type of play in the regular season?

Look at #41 Blake slow up and give a half-hearted attempt at a tackle. Golden wasn't any better.

Yea, pathetic. Blake and Cortez need to be shown the bench. They both suck. I'd rather have McCain in there than either one of them.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Yea, pathetic. Blake and Cortez need to be shown the bench. They both suck.

I agree.

I still don't understand why Boykin didn't play last night, could he possibly have been worse than Blake or Allen?

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2015/09...in-first-game/

[86WARD]

Could this be a Lance Moore type thing all over again with Boykin?

Here's my favorite line from the story:

The likely explanation is that the coaching staff was not yet comfortable with his level of understanding of the defense, given that he was only acquired about a month or so ago, and thus does not have the same level of trust afforded to Allen and Blake, both of whom are in at least their third season with the team.

[zulater]

Could this be a Lance Moore type thing all over again with Boykin?

Here's my favorite line from the story:

Sadly this is the sense that I get too. And I don't care if he doesn't understand the defense as well as the others. Unlike them he can actually cover NFL receivers. The understanding will improve with play. It's fairly obvious that wont be the case with Cortez Allen. Allen should be cut now. Activate Doran from the practice squad.

[salamander]

Why didn't Boykin play? Because Tomlin is too stubborn (or too dumb) to realize that guys like Blake and Allen suck.

[Cyphon25]

Could this be a Lance Moore type thing all over again with Boykin?

Here's my favorite line from the story:

Same line that stood out to me. Let's hope they aren't that dumb.

[SteelerFanInStl]

Sadly this is the sense that I get too. And I don't care if he doesn't understand the defense as well as the others. Unlike them he can actually cover NFL receivers. The understanding will improve with play. It's fairly obvious that wont be the case with Cortez Allen. Allen should be cut now. Activate Doran from the practice squad.

I agree, it's a stupid excuse and Boykin should have been in there. Cortez and Blake may understand the defense, but they sure as Hell can't cover anyone.

[TD's & Beer]

Allen should be cut now. .

Won't happen


Cortez Allen – in the first season of a four-year, $24.6 million contract

http://overthecap.com/player/cortez-allen/1588/

[zulater]

Won't happen


Cortez Allen – in the first season of a four-year, $24.6 million contract

http://overthecap.com/player/cortez-allen/1588/

Yeah I know. But they're only delaying the inevitable. And every down he plays you're taking away playing time from a better player. So to me you just need to acknowledge the mistake and move on. You only hurt yourself by denying the obvious.

[hawaiiansteeler]

good thing we didn't re-sign this guy...

Dolphins CB Brice McCain's One-Handed Acrobatic INT | Dolphins vs. Redskins

[Psycho Ward 86]

my question is still what the fuck happened to Tez? the dude looked so good his first couple of seasons in the league. he even graded out as the best slot corner in the league one season. his regression is disturbing

[86WARD]

good thing we didn't re-sign this guy...

Dolphins CB Brice McCain's One-Handed Acrobatic INT | Dolphins vs. Redskins

They got Boykin...guess you didn't see him Thursday...uh wait...

[Steeldude]

good thing we didn't re-sign this guy...

Dolphins CB Brice McCain's One-Handed Acrobatic INT | Dolphins vs. Redskins

That's ok, the Steelers have C. Allen and his bloated contract.

What does Tomlin see or can he see?

[ALLD]

Looks like it


All signs point to Brice McCain starting at corner for Miami Dolphins in opener

Barring a late change of plans, Brice McCain is expected to start at cornerback for the Miami Dolphins on Sunday against the Redskins, multiple sources have told the Miami Herald.

McCain, who signed with the Dolphins in the offseason, is believed to have won the last remaining position battle on the team. McCain was among the league’s top slot cornerbacks in football last year

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nf...e34381623.html

He had a real nice pic looking like AB in the Washington game yesterday.

[Mojouw]

McCain had nothing to do with talent or evaluation of talent. It had to do with money.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/brice-mccain/ - counts 2-3.5 million against the cap

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburg...randon-boykin/ - counts from just below 500K to just below 700K against the cap

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburg.../antwon-blake/ - counts 1.5 million.

I think you all get the point. Someone made an evaluation that it wasn't feasible to pay McCain 3 million dollars to man the slot.

[TD's & Beer]

Brady could see “chaos” on the Steelers’ defense

Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski’s three-touchdown game on Thursday night was aided in large part by major mistakes in the Steelers’ secondary, with Gronkowski being left open on multiple occasions. Patriots quarterback Tom Brady says those problems on the Steelers’ defense were easy to see.

“I saw he was uncovered and I can usually get a good sense of when there’s not great communication going on between the defense. I typically want the ball in my hands at that point."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ry/rumor-mill/