Steelers Woes Of Evaluating Secondary Continues

[86WARD]

Sadly this is the sense that I get too. And I don't care if he doesn't understand the defense as well as the others. Unlike them he can actually cover NFL receivers. The understanding will improve with play. It's fairly obvious that wont be the case with Cortez Allen. Allen should be cut now. Activate Doran from the practice squad.

Even if he doesn't understand the defense, it was evident on Thursday that neither do the other 5-6 that were playing back there...is it really that hard to stick Boykin on one guy? Even if the rest of the team is playing some sort of complicated scheme? Boykin on Edelman. Rest of the team, ignore them both. done...lol.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Even if he doesn't understand the defense, it was evident on Thursday that neither do the other 5-6 that were playing back there...is it really that hard to stick Boykin on one guy? Even if the rest of the team is playing some sort of complicated scheme? Boykin on Edelman. Rest of the team, ignore them both. done...lol.

my exact sentiments.

Brady targeted Edelman 12 times and completed 11 out of those 12 passes. could Boykin really have done any worse?

[hawaiiansteeler]

The #Steelers have allowed 34 pass TDs since the start of last season, better than only the Bears and Buccaneers. But Boykin rides the pine

https://twitter.com/Alex_Kozora

[Psycho Ward 86]

Again from a schematic standpoint, im going to go out on a limb and say anyone who suggests Brandon Boykin could have possibly done worse in man coverage against Edelman than Blake is nuts. Especially considering Edelman was sitting in the slot all night, a spot where we already KNOW Boykin absolutely excels (only question is can he play outside).

Im not giving the coaching staff the benefit of the doubt on this one because of their propensity to refuse to play superior players behind inferior vets in recent years. If Boykin was at the very least assigned to Edelman last week, the patriots would have had multiple drives end prematurely. Gronk may have been the one scoring from everywhere, but Edelman was the one moving the chains

[ALLD]

They should hire some of the big winner from Fan Duel.com to pick our next secondary draft.

[86WARD]

Again from a schematic standpoint, im going to go out on a limb and say anyone who suggests Brandon Boykin could have possibly done worse in man coverage against Edelman than Blake is nuts. Especially considering Edelman was sitting in the slot all night, a spot where we already KNOW Boykin absolutely excels (only question is can he play outside).

Im not giving the coaching staff the benefit of the doubt on this one because of their propensity to refuse to play superior players behind inferior vets in recent years. If Boykin was at the very least assigned to Edelman last week, the patriots would have had multiple drives end prematurely. Gronk may have been the one scoring from everywhere, but Edelman was the one moving the chains

And moving them with ease...I'm still not sure why New England didn't continue throwing to him...

[steelreserve]

McCain had nothing to do with talent or evaluation of talent. It had to do with money.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/brice-mccain/ - counts 2-3.5 million against the cap

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburg...randon-boykin/ - counts from just below 500K to just below 700K against the cap

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburg.../antwon-blake/ - counts 1.5 million.

I think you all get the point. Someone made an evaluation that it wasn't feasible to pay McCain 3 million dollars to man the slot.

There's no doubt about that. Basically we were going to keep one of McCain or Blake and try to upgrade the other position, and Blake had the RFA tag available, so it made the decision easy for us. Blake is also a lot younger than McCain, so he had "potential" on his side.

I'm not losing any sleep over it. They both played about the same last year, and the money and age tipped the balance to Blake, so it makes sense why they did it.

[steelreserve]

Even if he doesn't understand the defense, it was evident on Thursday that neither do the other 5-6 that were playing back there...is it really that hard to stick Boykin on one guy? Even if the rest of the team is playing some sort of complicated scheme? Boykin on Edelman. Rest of the team, ignore them both. done...lol.

Brady targeted Edelman 12 times and completed 11 out of those 12 passes. could Boykin really have done any worse?

Again from a schematic standpoint, im going to go out on a limb and say anyone who suggests Brandon Boykin could have possibly done worse in man coverage against Edelman than Blake is nuts. Especially considering Edelman was sitting in the slot all night, a spot where we already KNOW Boykin absolutely excels (only question is can he play outside).

Im not giving the coaching staff the benefit of the doubt on this one because of their propensity to refuse to play superior players behind inferior vets in recent years. If Boykin was at the very least assigned to Edelman last week, the patriots would have had multiple drives end prematurely. Gronk may have been the one scoring from everywhere, but Edelman was the one moving the chains

I agree 100% with all of this. And not only that, but it looked like a lot of the time they were able to entice us into a mismatch of Edelman vs. a linebacker, and we lost that every time.

One of my big worries against the 49ers is that they have a TE with good hands who is basically the slot receiver on a lot of plays, only unlike the Patriots, they don't always line him up as a receiver, they play him at the line. So if we go "Hey, that's the tight end - therefore, let's cover him with a linebacker," then we are setting ourselves up for a long, long, long, long day on defense.

However, as I said in the other thread, since their TE is neither slow nor lumbering nor white, we'll probably remember to cover him and he'll do minimal damage.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Shamarko Thomas’ Time Running Out In Pittsburgh

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2015/10...in-pittsburgh/

[TD's & Beer]

More drum beating

Steelers should try trading Shamarko Thomas

It's year three, and Thomas is relegated to special teams duty. Twelve-year veteran Will Allen snatched his starting safety spot alongside Mike Mitchell. Allen has been a steadying presence through four games this year. They also have team captain Robert Golden as a backup safety/special teams ace.

If Thomas isn't in the future plans, the Steelers can explore whether a late-round pick -- preferably, the sixth-rounder they lost in the Scobee trade -- is available in exchange. Thomas could go to a team that accentuates Thomas' strength, which is seeing a play and chasing it. He's also an effective blitzer. Mike Tomlin said Thomas' problems have been "above the neck." In other words, he's not making the mental adjustments required of a safety in this system.

http://espn.go.com/blog/pittsburgh-s...ry-trading-him

[teegre]

It bears iteration:

FS then SS ...or... SS then FS.

R1: Jalen Ramsey (trade up), Nate Andrews, Su'a Cravens
R2: Karl Joseph, Jalen Mills

[zulater]

More drum beating

Steelers should try trading Shamarko Thomas

It's year three, and Thomas is relegated to special teams duty. Twelve-year veteran Will Allen snatched his starting safety spot alongside Mike Mitchell. Allen has been a steadying presence through four games this year. They also have team captain Robert Golden as a backup safety/special teams ace.

If Thomas isn't in the future plans, the Steelers can explore whether a late-round pick -- preferably, the sixth-rounder they lost in the Scobee trade -- is available in exchange. Thomas could go to a team that accentuates Thomas' strength, which is seeing a play and chasing it. He's also an effective blitzer. Mike Tomlin said Thomas' problems have been "above the neck." In other words, he's not making the mental adjustments required of a safety in this system.

http://espn.go.com/blog/pittsburgh-s...ry-trading-him

For what? Who would give so much as a 6th round pick for him? Cut him. If he has an NFL future it's not with this team.

[hawaiiansteeler]

It bears iteration:

FS then SS ...or... SS then FS.

R1: Jalen Ramsey (trade up), Nate Andrews, Su'a Cravens
R2: Karl Joseph, Jalen Mills

love it!

this is definitely a great year to address the safety position early in the draft. besides the safeties you mentioned, both Darian Thompson from Boise St and Vonn Bell from Ohio St would also be good Rd 2 possibilities...

[teegre]

love it!

this is definitely a great year to address the safety position early in the draft. besides the safeties you mentioned, both Darian Thompson from Boise St and Vonn Bell from Ohio St would also be good Rd 2 possibilities...

I'll allow you to decide which one will actually be taken... you're money when I comes to predicting the draft.

[hawaiiansteeler]

I'll allow you to decide which one will actually be taken... you're money when I comes to predicting the draft.

you are a very humble man SU Draft King!

[teegre]

you are a very humble man SU Draft King!

I am the blind squirrel who found a nut.

[TD's & Beer]

For what? Who would give so much as a 6th round pick for him? Cut him. If he has an NFL future it's not with this team.

This is a business. Let's just explore the possibilities where any transaction could be a possible return on our investment.

"One man's trash is another man's treasure"


Somebody might fall for it.

[hawaiiansteeler]

This is a business. Let's just explore the possibilities where any transaction could be a possible return on our investment.

"One man's trash is another man's treasure"

Somebody might fall for it.

exactly!

after all, Jacksonville was able to find some sucker team to give up a 6th round draft choice for their reject kicker...

[86WARD]

No one is going to give up anything for him...why would they? He's been nothing but a special teams player with very little actual game tape.

[tube517]

No one is going to give up anything for him...why would they? He's been nothing but a special teams player with very little actual game tape.

Ah, but it is "solid" special teams tape.



Enough about Sharknado. Please no more threads about any Steeler player. Period.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Enough about Sharknado. Please no more threads about any Steeler player. Period.

and especially not about Brandon Boykin...

[Shoes]

Ah, but it is "solid" special teams tape.



Enough about Sharknado. Please no more threads about any Steeler player. Period.

It was *solid* special teams tape, Maybe we could get something for Archer. *I really liked the violence with which he played. His hands have been heavy*

[Count Steeler]

Archer's value may be at an all time high. He did return a kick past the 30 yard line. He should consider retiring.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Archer's value may be at an all time high. He did return a kick past the 30 yard line. He should consider retiring.

as soon as Archer did that I yelled, "Shit"...

my wife turned to me and said, "wasn't that good"?

I said, "no, this means the Steelers will probably keep him for a little longer..."

[hawaiiansteeler]

BigD: Boykin was one of the best slot CBs in the NFL last year and now he can’t get on the field. Do you think he is displeased toward the Steelers?

Ed Bouchette: I talked to him yesterday and he was not in as talkative mood as he was earlier in the season. Said he will just do what they ask him to do. I would guess he is not delighted with the situation. He thought coming here would be a breath of fresh air and he can't get on the field even as much as he did in Philly.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/s...s/201510060172

[SteelerFanInStl]

BigD: Boykin was one of the best slot CBs in the NFL last year and now he can’t get on the field. Do you think he is displeased toward the Steelers?

Ed Bouchette: I talked to him yesterday and he was not in as talkative mood as he was earlier in the season. Said he will just do what they ask him to do. I would guess he is not delighted with the situation. He thought coming here would be a breath of fresh air and he can't get on the field even as much as he did in Philly.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/s...s/201510060172

Quite frankly this whole situation just pisses me off. We trade for Boykin to improve our secondary and then after trading for him, we decide that we want to play Gay in the slot and make a decision that Boykin can only play in the slot. All of this while continuing to start Blake, who can't cover my Grandma. F'ing ridiculous!

[ALLD]

I'll allow you to decide which one will actually be taken... you're money when I comes to predicting the draft.

They need to draft two, so they have one for the PS while the other goes on IR.

[SteelerFanInStl]

Rollins for the Packers had 2 picks today, one for a TD. We could've taken him in the 2nd but took Golsen instead.