Trump

[SteelMember]

The difference between Trump and Clinton is negligible. The only main differences between the two is that Trump is businessman who donated to Democrats and a reality TV star hack while Clinton was an unethical lawyer who has been skating off of being Bill Clinton's husband for a while now and the fact that Trump has been lying about being a political outsider while Hillary hasn't. Voting for Trump over Clinton is like rooting for the Ratbirds over the Bungals because the Ratbirds don't have Vontaze Barfass and Pacman the illiterate on their team

I thought this might be an error, but after thinking about it, it's actually very accurate.

[st33lersguy]

I thought this might be an error, but after thinking about it, it's actually very accurate.

I didn't notice until just now, but yeah you could say that is accurate

[Born2Steel]

How did we end up with these candidates? We have had elections full of worthless candidates, but this one beats them all. Trump or Hillary? That's the choice for our next president? Which testicle would you like bitten off, right or left? Neither is an acceptable option. This just plain sucks.

[GBMelBlount]

How did we end up with these candidates? We have had elections full of worthless candidates, but this one beats them all. Trump or Hillary? That's the choice for our next president? Which testicle would you like bitten off, right or left? Neither is an acceptable option. This just plain sucks.

There area a lot of skeletons in Clinton's closet that have accumulated over the last 40 years in addition to the email / server issue.

It will be interesting to see if Trump brings some of these things up.

[fansince'76]

How did we end up with these candidates? We have had elections full of worthless candidates, but this one beats them all. Trump or Hillary? That's the choice for our next president? Which testicle would you like bitten off, right or left? Neither is an acceptable option. This just plain sucks.

This country is getting EXACTLY the government that it deserves...

[GoSlash27]

This country is getting EXACTLY the government that it deserves...

^This. An election is the process of making an important decision by consulting a large group of people, and large groups of people are stupid. Picking our leaders is the highest responsibility there is, and we exercise it irresponsibly. You can't have authority without responsibility.
So in a lot fewer words... we're getting the government we deserve.

Now that Trump has begun to "tack left" (he was actually a lefty all along), I'm looking forward to watching his supporters realize with creeping horror just how badly they got duped.

[Born2Steel]

Anybody get the feeling this is the exact ticket the talking heads wanted? Clinton/Trump not as opponents, but as running mates.

[BnG_Hevn]

It's official. I will be writing in Ted Cruz this November. I am not going to vote for a lying, slandering, petulant, crybaby liberal Democrat who has offered nothing but empty slogans, insults, and slander just to try and stop a candidate who is only slightly worse (if at all) than he is.

This is why liberals will continue to win.

On one hand, they vote for their candidate no matter how pathetic they are, which is a lame way to go.k

On the other hand, they stay united.

Conservatives, by contrast, will "buck the system" by voting for a third party how has no discernible chance in hell of winning, thereby diluting the voting base, allowing the United liberal to prevail.

For anyone who is conservative who votes for the third party, if Clinton wins, you just need to keep your traps shut.

[silver & black]

She is going to win. She already has.

[GBMelBlount]

According to this comparison Trump is more conservative than Hillary.

It is interesting to me that 75% of Trumps money is from small individual contributions while Clinton has received 80% from corporations.

She has a lot more money for her campaign.

http://presidential-candidates.insid...s-Donald-Trump

[GoSlash27]

This is why liberals will continue to win.

On one hand, they vote for their candidate no matter how pathetic they are, which is a lame way to go.k

On the other hand, they stay united.

Conservatives, by contrast, will "buck the system" by voting for a third party how has no discernible chance in hell of winning, thereby diluting the voting base, allowing the United liberal to prevail.

For anyone who is conservative who votes for the third party, if Clinton wins, you just need to keep your traps shut.

... As if Donald Trump is any different.
The phrase "useful idiot" comes to mind.

[fansince'76]

She is going to win. She already has.

Yep. This thing was decided a long time ago.

[Mach1]

I will say one thing with all the Trump paid protesters he's created more jobs than barry. lol

[Steel Peon]

What's interesting about Trump is that every good point I think he has is immediately brought into question by the multitude of times he's said the opposite of said points. It's already a crap shoot trusting in any politician, but I honestly can't trust a thing this guy says.

[GBMelBlount]

Politics as usual has put this country on the road to ruin so I am glad Trump won.

In fact he is the only reason I will be taking time out from my 80 hour work weeks to watch the debates and follow the election.

Trump is the only politician with the balls to stand up to Hillary and go toe to toe and I hope beyond all hopes he puts the 40 years of skeletons in the Clinton's closet front and center in this election.

[salamander]

I cannot and will not vote for that lying sack of shit, Killary. I still don't know if Trump is simply nothing more than a loud mouth, but I would think he'd surround himself with a good team. I'll support Trump because my hatred for Hillary is 1000x worse.

[GBMelBlount]

I cannot and will not vote for that lying sack of shit, Killary.

I still don't know if Trump is simply nothing more than a loud mouth, but I would think he'd surround himself with a good team.

I'll support Trump because my hatred for Hillary is 1000x worse.

I remember on the old board before the 2008 election we were talking about how inexperienced Obama was and the response from the big lib on the board was that he was not worried because he was confident Obama would surround himself with good people.

That worked out well for America....

[Craic]

I remember on the old board before the 2008 election we were talking about how inexperienced Obama was and the response from the big lib on the board was that he was not worried because he was confident Obama would surround himself with good people.

That worked out well for America....

Yep.

Frankly, I'm sickened by this election cycle. Our choices are between a Classic Socialist in Hillary and a National Socialist in Trump.

(general comment) And yes, Trump is a National Socialist. No, I'm not equating him to the Nazi party of Germany in the 1930s and 40s or to Hitler, but rather, to the philosophy of national socialism, which is holds to pretty much 100 percent. At no time has he repudiated his beliefs in universal healthcare, for instance. His argument against Obamacare is only that's its too expensive. In fact he states the fed. govt. should take a lead on health care. Not only that, but it should also take a lead on providing education and housing. As for his nationalist tendencies, one only has to look at his protectionist ideas to see it, let alone his demagoguery towards Muslim and Latin Americans coming to the US (legal, not illegal immigration, the latter of which I'm also against).

For the first time ever, I'm seriously considering voting third party in November. I'm looked into it before, but never considered it to the degree I am now.

[salamander]

I remember on the old board before the 2008 election we were talking about how inexperienced Obama was and the response from the big lib on the board was that he was not worried because he was confident Obama would surround himself with good people.

That worked out well for America....

We'll see what happens. In all honesty, we're probably screwed either way. The fact that these 2 are the choices is sad in itself.

[Born2Steel]

Heard a local candidate on the radio on my way home last night. Don't know if the guy is electable or not but these words made more sense than the entire presidential process. He says we get too caught up in the BIG race for president and neglect to look at who's running right in our own back yards. Most people don't even know who their rep is in their own town. Everybody knows the mayor, or senator, but who is your local representative? Start building your foundation there. Get the right people in the right positions locally, and work up the chain. I like it.

[Vis]

This is why liberals will continue to win.

On one hand, they vote for their candidate no matter how pathetic they are, which is a lame way to go.k

On the other hand, they stay united.

Conservatives, by contrast, will "buck the system" by voting for a third party how has no discernible chance in hell of winning, thereby diluting the voting base, allowing the United liberal to prevail.

For anyone who is conservative who votes for the third party, if Clinton wins, you just need to keep your traps shut.

So wrong. Ralph Nader gave us GWB. The conservatives can't win because they trash most demographics.

[Craic]

So wrong. Ralph Nader gave us GWB. The conservatives can't win because they trash most demographics.

Your assuming those who voted for Nader in the swing states would have all thrown their votes behind Gore, rather than moving to another third party. It's an assumption that does not necessarily hold water. But, if you insist they would have, then in the same fashion, Ross Perot gave us Bill Clinton.

And whoever said conservatives can't win? Seems to me there's been a ton of conservative victories in the last twenty years, the last one coming in the last off-year election, winning 9 senate and 13 house seats. No, the whole "Conservatives are bigots" narrative, which you toned down dramatically (-thank you, by the way-) is driven by partisan bias, rather than observable fact. Yes, there are some idiots among the conservatives, Trump probably being one of them. But neither he, nor the others, speak for the Republicans at large, or conservatives at large.

[Vis]

Your assuming those who voted for Nader in the swing states would have all thrown their votes behind Gore, rather than moving to another third party. It's an assumption that does not necessarily hold water. But, if you insist they would have, then in the same fashion, Ross Perot gave us Bill Clinton.

And whoever said conservatives can't win? Seems to me there's been a ton of conservative victories in the last twenty years, the last one coming in the last off-year election, winning 9 senate and 13 house seats. No, the whole "Conservatives are bigots" narrative, which you toned down dramatically (-thank you, by the way-) is driven by partisan bias, rather than observable fact. Yes, there are some idiots among the conservatives, Trump probably being one of them. But neither he, nor the others, speak for the Republicans at large, or conservatives at large.

Whatever you personally believe, when you have a party that denies science (climate science, evolution) opposes equal rights for homosexuals (marriage, employment protections etc...), wants to stop all Muslims from entering the country, suggests deporting millions of people while breaking up families, wants big gov't to dictate what doctors can tell their female patients, etc..., then you have a lot of people who could never vote GOP. I think all those GOP positions are idiotic but that's not the point here. The point is, the GOP demographic is shrinking and is openly hostile towards some people who might agree with some ideas of the right but are excluded as "not a true conservative", or whatever language of exclusion is used that day.

[GBMelBlount]

The point is, the GOP demographic is shrinking

I agree with you.

There are more ignorant and lazy people with a sense of entitlement now in our country than ever.

when you have a party that denies science (climate science, evolution)

Are you implying we evolved from apes? Personally I don't see it.

[smokin3000gt]

Agreed. There are more ignorant and lazy people with a sense of entitlement now in our country than ever.



Do you believe we evolved from apes? Personally I don't see how that could be possible.

I wonder why the apes haven't evolved into humans yet. They must've been late to the party...

[GBMelBlount]

I wonder why the apes haven't evolved into humans yet. They must've been late to the party...

LOL.

Soooooo apes evolved into human beings and then everything in between died!

[Vis]

LOL.

Soooooo apes evolved into human beings and then everything in between died!

Humans didn't evolve from the great apes we know today. Humans are one of the great apes and all great apes evolved from a common ancestor. And there used to be other upright species who no longer exist. Perhaps you've heard of Homo habilis, Homo neanderthalensis and Australopithecus. Since evolution is considered a scientific fact, the GOP loses most scientists and people who understand the science. http://www.nas.edu/evolution/TheoryOrFact.html

try this article: http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...-us-democracy/

So, yes, the GOP gets the young earth creationists but that is an ever shrinking group. The GOP gets most of the homophobic people too, with the obvious religious overlap, but that group is shrinking too. There's no reason for the GOP to do this. The GOP wasn't anti-science before Reagan. Even Reagan wasn't bad on most of these issues.

This is why the GOP gerrymanders to keep seats. They have to. The states where the gerrymandering was overturned by the courts will see a change.

[Vis]

forgetting the merits of these underlying issues, how does the GOP get votes from all of the other groups? How does the GOP, with it's current platform, get 270 electoral votes?

[GoSlash27]

I wonder why the apes haven't evolved into humans yet. They must've been late to the party...

There's a very cheap DNA testing procedure you should try. You'll be shocked to find out how much neanderthal DNA you have.

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forgetting the merits of these underlying issues, how does the GOP get votes from all of the other groups? How does the GOP, with it's current platform, get 270 electoral votes?

They don't. Not with their current platform. They'll have to rely on the electorate's frustration with Washington and go negative against Clinton.
At least... that's how it appears to me right now.

[steelreserve]

They don't. Not with their current platform. They'll have to rely on the electorate's frustration with Washington and go negative against Clinton.
At least... that's how it appears to me right now.

Probably the smartest thing Trump could do right now is just sit back and let Hillary keep making herself look terrible. She can't talk for 5 minutes without making herself even more unlikable.

Unfortunately, Trump will do no such thing, since he HAS to keep shouting. Yup, it'll be a real race to the bottom.