certainly not in Round 2.Originally Posted by teegre
depending on how much the Steelers like Tull and whether or not they have already drafted an edge rusher in rounds 1 or 2, they may select him as early as Round 3 or wait to see if he's still available in Round 4.
R4: Jordan Richards, S, Stanford
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Thank you. I honestly didn't know where he's projected to land.
R3 would be great, allowing them to go CB in R2, and BPA in R1.
I agree, go BPA in Round 1.
if that's not a CB, Steelers could still select Eric Rowe, Byron Jones, Quintin Rollins or Alex Carter in Round 2 or IEO, Josh Shaw, Doran Grant or Steven Nelson in Round 3.
similarly, Steelers could address OLB in round 2 with Nate Orchard or Danielle Hunter or in round 3 with Hau'oli Kikaha, Lorenzo Mauldin, Markus Golden or Davis Tull.
That sounds like a plan.
A few thoughts...
I love Alex Carter. I have a sneaking suspicion that he sneaks into late R1. I highly doubt he's there at 56. If so... JACKPOT!!! If they wait until R3, I like Nelson. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu is the interesting pick; where does he land??? I could see him at 45 or at 95.
Orchard wants its to play DE in a 4-3. Hunter is my guess (if it's an OLB in R2)... and, Golden if it's R3. Whoops... I have to add Tull to possible picks in R3.
I know this is off topic, and I apologize for it, but the new members around here like you teegre have really brought some great conversation and debate. I really enjoy reading the posts here as of late.
teegre is an awesome poster, he only gets better with time.
Steelers Fever's loss is now Steelers Universe's gain!
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Teegre is an awesome poster, for sure, and you're a top-notch poster yourself, 5-0. Please don't ever sell yourself short.teegre is an awesome poster, he only gets better with time.
Steelers Fever's loss is now Steelers Universe's gain!
why thank you Lady Steel, flattery will get you everywhere with me!Teegre is an awesome poster, for sure, and you're a top-notch poster yourself, 5-0. Please don't ever sell yourself short.
and the feeling is mutual, I think you're a very cool and great poster also...
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Preston Smith visits the #Steelers. Finally, an asskicker who can play OLB in their "base" and DE in their nickel.
Smith also played one-gap nose on passing downs. An underrated player.” -- yes, saw him sack LSU as NT.
https://twitter.com/jimwexell
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I, too, want to add a hearty welcome to all our new friends from SF. It's hard to lose the home where you felt comfortable, like a teenager who's parents move you away to a different state and new school and you have no say about it.
Welcome!
Thank you for the kind words.
Hopefully, my sense of humor doesn't scare everyone away.
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The same can (& is) said about you, my friend.teegre is an awesome poster, he only gets better with time.
Steelers Fever's loss is now Steelers Universe's gain!
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If you weren't my cousin, I'd marry you.Teegre is an awesome poster, for sure, and you're a top-notch poster yourself, 5-0. Please don't ever sell yourself short.
Wait... I was born in West Virginia; so, I can. (LOL)
Really though, the feeling is mutual.
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Good analogy.I, too, want to add a hearty welcome to all our new friends from SF. It's hard to lose the home where you felt comfortable, like a teenager who's parents move you away to a different state and new school and you have no say about it.
Welcome!
And, I'm appreciative of the warm welcome.
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I see a lot of mocks that have us taking players like Marcus Peters, Randy Gregory, and PJ Williams. These guys may be great football players but are we desperate enough that we take high risk guys in the early rounds? Williams is apparently a DUI repeat offender, Gregory isn't smart enough, or doesn't care enough, to stop smoking weed, and Peters is seemingly the biggest risk of them all and possibly uncoachable even. If there are no pass rushers or DBs that we want at 22 besides these 3, I would be all in on taking Oline, Dline, TE, or even trading back for additional mid round picks. What are you guys/gals thinking on these players mocked to us?
I personally don't think Peters is a risk at all. I think he was made an example of by an inexperienced and new coaching staff to establish their authority. Many sources have indicated that it is behind him and at a better college program and certainly in the NFL the entire issue would have never happened. Peters has had zero off-field issues -- so I suspect anger and problems with authority are not a general thing with him.
PJ Williams is an idiot and would be off my board. He is likely not going to suddenly wise up when he gets a bunch of money.
Gregory seems similar on the surface, but I think pot is less of a problem than alcohol. Also the match-up of talent and need is too great to pass up. Steelers have a checkered history with pot and players. Worked with Santonio until it didn't. Worked with Mike Adams - except he kinda isn't that good. Remains to be seen with Bell. But if teams passed on every prospect or NFL player that smoked weed, there wouldn't be enough left for a draft.
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IMO, weed/alcohol is not the issue. If he can't put it down, he won't be on the field. That would make him a wasted pick. Josh Gordon may be a great player but........
Report: Missouri DE Shane Ray might need surgery, could be out 5 months
By Eric Edholm
Lance Zierlein, who writes for NFL.com, reported Thursday morning that Missouri pass rusher Shane Ray might need toe surgery and could be out as much as five months.
That would put the start of Ray's rookie season in doubt and could make him a PUP (Physically Unable to Perform) list candidate. Might that drop Ray, who had been talked about as a top-10 pickm, from first-round consideration?
Shutdown Corner received texts back from two teams on Ray — one was concerned, one was not. The concerned team called Ray's toe "a major concern," and the one that didn't said their team doctors thought Ray could wear an orthotic shoe to help correct the problem, which could speed up his timetable.
Ray had a monster junior season for the Tigers, collecting 14.5 sacks and 22.5 tackles for loss in being named SEC Defensive Player of the Year. He declared early for the draft after setting the Mizzou single-season sack record but has been able to showcase his skills this offseason — including at the NFL scouting combine — because of the injury in his foot.
Although he worked out at his pro day, Ray turned in some sub-par running times. He might not be considered until the middle of the first round, and it's possible this injury and Ray's limitations as a 245-pound edge player could even cause a slide out of Round 1.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...k0XzEEc2VjA3Nj
I'm with you on trading back. The value for CB just isn't there at 22.
Kevin Johnson at 22: reach
Kevin Johnson at 30: okay
Kevin Johnson at 38: awesome
If they stay put, I think it's Landon Collins, Malcolm Brown, or even possibly an OG (Erving).
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Exactly.
Weed: eh
Not knowing that you can't smoke week the week before the combine: dumb!!!
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They just tweeted that Shane Ray will NOT need surgery. (I don't know how to post tweets.)
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If a 1st round OLB falls to us I hope it's Dupree. He already has the size, strength, and speed to play for us. Ray is a little light, so is Beasley. Not saying I wouldn't take those 2, just that they would need to bulk up and get stronger. I just love that Dupree already brings that part to the table.
18 of the 29 pre-draft visitors to the Steelers play on the defensive side of the ball.
and of those 18, 10 were defensive backs...
yeah, just saw that too.
Question - if Ray is now available at #22, do you select him?
Report: Shane Ray doesn’t need foot surgery
Posted by Josh Alper on April 23, 2015
Missouri pass rusher Shane Ray wasn’t able to participate in the combine in February because of a foot injury he suffered in the team’s bowl game and the injury has lingered long enough to create concern from at least one team that he’d need surgery before he’d be ready to return to action.
Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that a foot specialist told Ray that’s not the case. Per Rapoport, Ray needs to rest the injury rather than have an operation.
There still might be an impact on his draft status, however. Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported the same about the need for surgery on television Thursday, but added that Ray will “need to take it easy initially” when he begins working with his new team.
Ray is part of a gaggle of pass rushing prospects, including Dante Fowler, Vic Beasley, Bud Dupree and Randy Gregory, that have been discussed as first-round picks. Any fear that his transition to the NFL will be compromised by an injury is likely to make teams think twice about using a high pick on Ray if they’ve got similar ratings on another available prospect.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-foot-surgery/
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Even though I would prefer Dupree if available, 22 is a great spot to take Shane Ray. Yes, I would take him there.
I would have the draft card with Shane Ray's name on it up to the commissioner as soon as the last syllable was uttered for the 21st selection...
Ifo Ekpre-Olomu's Injury Worse Than Advertised
Updated April 22, 2015
By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell
A few months ago, Oregon cornerback Ifo Ekpre-Olomu was in the running to be the top-ranked corner, but then he suffered a knee injury during bowl practice before Oregon's game against Florida State. It was said to be a torn ACL, but team sources I've spoken to say the knee injury was much worse and was along the lines of Marcus Lattimore or Willis McGahee's rather than a simple ACL tear like the one suffered by Georgia running back Todd Gurley or Texas A&M offensive tackle Cedric Ogbuehi.
Sources say that Ekpre-Olomu tore more than an ACL and there was a variety of damage done to his knee. At one point, there were some teams' medical staffs that were wondering if lingering effects of the injury would force Ekpre-Olomu to retire before every playing again, like Lattimore. However, recent checks have been more positive and teams feel that Ekpre-Olomu has a shot at playing again.
The injury is significant enough, however, that some teams are putting Ekpre-Olomu in their undrafted prospect group. A contact from one team thinks that Ekpre-Olomu could have a shot at going on day three of the draft like Lattimore did, but their team doesn't have a round grade on Ekpre-Olomu because of the medical report. They have Ekpre-Olomu as an undrafted free agent as well.
http://www.walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill.php
Years ago, in one season, Steve McNair had a cracked rib, a bruised sternum, a swollen knee, a torn rotator cuff, a broken finger, and a bruise on some internal organ... and he still played the entire season.
The following season, he was healthy, except for turf toe... and he missed several games.
ANALYSIS:
Toe injuries are killers.
SUMMATION:
If it is turf toe, I don't draft him.
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I have Kevin Johnson as #24 on my personal draft board...so in my humble opinion I think he is a great first round pick. I think that most of the OLB's that we may be serious about are either gone in the first (Beasley, Dupree)...or fall into that "dead" area between the first and second picks. Orchard, Hunter, and Tull are real possibilities.
The wild card for me is ...What will the FO do if Gregory falls to #22?
"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play"
-- Jack Lambert --
I've been preaching trading down for a few months now. I believe LLT, and Dwins has as well. I don't think Johnson would be there at the end of the 1st, early 2nd, but I think Collins may. You can then use the extra pick you get put it with our 2nd round pick and trade back up in the second if there is an OLBer you like, or, use the extra pick to double up on CB or OLB, or, grab a O-lineman earlier than you would have.
By the way bud, Erving has been one of my favorite players this year, would not mine seeing him in Black and Gold.
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Not sure. My opinion is let him keep sliding. The FO will most likely draft him. I wouldn't risk our first round pick on a guy we can't be positive will even be able to get on the field.
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Oh...I agree. I've never been a fan of head cases and especially wouldn't gamble a first round pick on him.
"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play"
-- Jack Lambert --
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I would hope some other pass-rushing starved teams would be blowing up our phones for a trade. I've seen some recent mocks having Gregory sliding past us, so maybe it was a good move for the Steelers to bring him in for a visit.
SMH , wondering what Big Boards some of you are looking at ...
Hau'oli Kikaha will not be a 3rd round pick , he could even go very late round 1 but most defiantly gone by round 2 .. Marcus Golden in the 3rd ( I used to think so ) but not so much now , he may not go to late round 4 or even 5 he lacks athletic prowess and his game really does not transfer much better to the NFL as his former team mate whos name will go unspoken because the camera crews will soon follow if it is .... ( heres cake in the face ) not at the poster but a hint to the players identity ...
its easy to toss names around but its a ton more difficult to line them up where they should be .... if we draft Golden my guess is he never sees the field in a 3-4 alignment and probably cut by season 3 ( if he lasts that long )
these are not the only guys but perhaps the most out of line guys are those two ( for me anyways ) but hey what do I know
Kikaha ran a very slow 40 time and has medical concerns that have reportedly caused some teams to take him off their board altogether.
he goes nowhere near Round 1...
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