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    Who Stays...Who Will Go

    The recent draft specifically targeted "depth" for our team. It was a typical Steeler draft, which involves shoring up our teams future, while so many other teams still have to draft for today, sticking their fingers in the leaky dike due to a lack of planning.

    But with this draft and with the pickup of a few new (and old) faces, it becomes evident that some of the players who we watched last year, will not be wearing the black n' gold when this season starts. So the question is...Who do you see being squeezed out this year? Sure, its early...and camp performance will make a lot of these decisions easier. But as of now...who does the steeler nation think may be looking at their last days on the team?

    Here is the roster (by position): Take a look and give me your...

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    62 Hartwig, Justin............C 6-5 312 31 9 Kansas
    64 Legursky, Doug...........C 6-1 315 23 2 Marshall
    69 Vierling, Bradley.........C 6-3 290 24 R Vanderbilt
    53 Pouncey, Maurkice...C/G 6-4 304 20 R Florida
    27 Burnett, Joe..............CB 5-10 192 23 2 Central Florida
    40 Butler, Crezdon.........CB 6-1 191 23 R Clemson
    22 Gay, William.............CB 5-10 190 25 4 Louisville
    23 Lewis, Keenan..........CB 6-0 208 24 2 Oregon State
    20 McFadden, Bryant.....CB 6-0 190 28 6 Florida State
    30 Pitman, David...........CB 5-11 185 26 4 Northwestern State-LA
    24 Taylor, Ike................CB 6-2 195 30 8 Louisiana-Lafayette
    35 Williams, Trae..........CB 5-10 195 25 1 South Florida
    37 Harris, Tuff...............DB 6-0 198 27 4 Montana
    37 Madison, Anthony......DB 5-9 180 28 5 Alabama
    93 Eason, Nick...............DE 6-3 305 30 8 Clemson
    77 Harris, Ra'Shon.........DE 6-5 300 23 2 Oregon
    96 Hood, Ziggy...............DE 6-3 300 23 2 Missouri
    99 Keisel, Brett...............DE 6-5 285 31 9 Brigham Young
    91 Smith, Aaron.............DE 6-5 298 34 12 Northern Colorado
    69 McLendon, Steve........DT 6-4 280 24 1 Troy
    95 Worthington, Doug.....DT 6-5 292 22 R Ohio State
    38 Taylor, Demetrius.......FB 6-0 273 23 R Virginia Tech
    25 Clark, Ryan................FS 5-11 205 30 9 Louisiana State
    29 Mundy, Ryan..............FS 6-1 209 25 2 West Virginia
    79 Essex, Trai..................G 6-5 324 27 6 Northwestern
    65 Urbik, Kraig.................G 6-5 323 24 2 Wisconsin
    68 Kemoeatu, Chris..........G 6-3 344 27 6 Utah
    51 Farrior, James...........ILB 6-2 243 35 14 Virginia
    57 Fox, Keyaron.............ILB 6-3 235 28 7 Georgia Tech
    47 Sylvester, Stevenson..ILB 6-2 231 21 R Utah
    05 Czech, Piotr.................K 6-5 210 23 1 Wagner College
    3 Reed, Jeff......................K 5-11 225 31 9 North Carolina
    55 Bailey, Patrick..............LB 6-4 235 24 3 Duke
    45 Doggett, Derrick...........LB 6-3 210 25 R Oregon State
    50 Foote, Larry.................LB 6-1 239 29 9 Michigan
    54 Frazier, Andre..............LB 6-5 245 27 6 Cincinnati
    94 Timmons, Lawrence.....LB 6-1 234 24 4 Florida State
    53 Williams, Johnny..........LB 6-2 246 24 1 Kentucky
    48 Williams, Renauld........LB 6-0 228 29 5 Hofstra
    61 Retkofsky, Jared..........LS 6-5 260 27 3 Texas Christian
    60 Warren, Greg..............LS 6-3 252 28 6 North Carolina
    98 Hampton, Casey..........NT 6-1 325 32 10 Texas
    76 Hoke, Chris.................NT 6-2 305 34 9 Brigham Young
    67 Thompson, Cordarrow..NT 6-2 301 22 R Virginia Tech
    71 Paxson, Scott...............NT 6-4 292 27 2 Penn State
    77 Brooks, Dorian.............OG 6-2 306 23 R James Madison
    90 Gibson, Thaddeus.......OLB 6-2 243 22 R Ohio State
    92 Harrison, James..........OLB 6-0 242 32 7 Kent State
    39 Witten, Lindsey...........OLB 6-4 250 22 R Connecticut
    56 Woodley, LaMarr.........OLB 6-2 265 25 4 Michigan
    97 Worilds, Jason............OLB 6-2 262 22 R Virginia Tech
    67 Jolly, Kyle....................OT 6-6 300 22 R North Carolina
    71 Scott, Chris.................OT 6-4 319 22 R Tennessee
    8 Graessle, Adam...............P 6-4 225 25 1 Pittsburgh
    9 Sepulveda, Dan...............P 6-3 230 26 4 Baylor
    16 Batch, Charlie.............QB 6-2 216 35 13 Eastern Michigan
    10 Dixon, Dennis..............QB 6-3 209 25 3 Oregon
    7 Roethlisberger, Ben.......QB 6-5 241 28 7 Miami (Ohio)
    4 Leftwich, Byron.............QB 6-5 250 30 8 Marshall
    41 Dwyer, Jonathan.........RB 5-11 229 20 R Georgia Tech
    11 Logan, Stefan.............RB 5-6 180 28 2 South Dakota
    34 Mendenhall, Rashard...RB 5-10 225 22 3 Illinois
    21 Moore, Mewelde.........RB 5-11 209 27 7 Tulane
    33 Redman, Isaac............RB 6-0 230 25 1 Bowie State
    44 Summers, Frank..........RB 5-10 240 24 1 Nevada-Las Vegas
    28 Vincent, Justin.............RB 5-10 219 27 2 Louisiana State
    26 Allen, Will....................S 6-1 200 27 7 Ohio State
    46 Thornton, Justin...........S 6-1 213 22 R Kansas
    42 Cromartie-Smith, Da'Mon..S 6-2 210 23 R UTEP
    43 Polamalu, Troy.............SS 5-10 207 29 8 USC
    66 Hills, Tony.......................T 6-5 304 25 3 Texas
    72 Scott, Jonathan................T 6-6 318 27 4 Texas
    78 Starks, Max.....................T 6-8 345 28 7 Florida
    74 Colon, Willie....................T 6-3 315 27 5 Hofstra
    73 Foster, Ramon.................T 6-6 325 24 2 Tennessee
    87 Bright, Eugene................TE 6-4 268 25 1 Purdue
    85 Johnson, David................TE 6-2 260 22 2 Arkansas State
    49 McHugh, Sean.................TE 6-5 265 28 7 Penn State
    83 Miller, Heath...................TE 6-5 256 27 6 Virginia
    89 Spaeth, Matt...................TE 6-7 270 26 4 Minnesota
    81 Battle, Arnaz...................WR 6-1 208 30 8 Notre Dame
    84 Brown, Antonio................WR 5-10 186 21 R Central Michigan
    13 Chery, Jason....................WR 5-10 185 25 1 Louisiana-Lafayette
    19 Grisham, Tyler.................WR 5-11 180 22 1 Clemson
    15 London, Brandon..............WR 6-4 215 25 2 Massachusetts
    82 Randle El, Antwaan..........WR 5-10 185 30 9 Indiana
    17 Wallace, Mike...................WR 6-0 199 23 2 Mississippi
    86 Ward, Hines.....................WR 6-0 205 34 13 Georgia
    14 Williams, Isaiah................WR 6-3 200 23 1 Maryland
    88 Sanders, Emmanuel..........WR 5-11 180 23 R SMU
    "I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play"

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    Just off the top of my head I think Spaeth, Doggett,Paxson are gone. I haven't seen any OTAs and won't see any of training camp but I think Hills will be gone and the big surprise could be Sepulveda. This has to be a good training camp for him because he hasn't lived up to expectations yet. He wasn't exactly booming kicks last year.

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    Nice picks...I think Bailey, Frazier, and Logan are gone and think that Tony Hills is on the bubble I think that Legursky is a player that alot of people are crossing of their list, but I think he makes the squad and is the backup to Pouncy NEXT year. The other surprise keeper on my list is UDFA Lindsey Witten
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    Quote Originally Posted by solardave View Post
    Just off the top of my head I think Spaeth, Doggett,Paxson are gone. I haven't seen any OTAs and won't see any of training camp but I think Hills will be gone and the big surprise could be Sepulveda. This has to be a good training camp for him because he hasn't lived up to expectations yet. He wasn't exactly booming kicks last year.
    No way they cut Sepulveda. True he hasn't lived up to expectations, but you need to consider last year was his first back off a knee surgery, it's often not until the following season that a player is back to full strength. Also even as he was last year, at worst he was mid pack relative to other punters around the league, need I remind you of Ernstine and Berger from a season before? And even if his overall average isn't what we hoped it would be he still is one of the better punters in the league at pinning the opposition inside their own 15.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/pl.../puntsInside20

    His ratio of tb's to downed punts inside the 20 is exceptional.

    All he needs to do is develop a bit more consistency and he'll be all that we need him to be, even if he never develops into the punter they expected him to become when they made the trade up. .
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    My surprise cut, Randle El. I love the guy but I watched him last year and he just wasn't much. Guys his age usually don't rebound when they start to slide.
    "A man's got to know his limitations."

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    Zulater,

    need I remind you of Ernstine and Berger from a season before? And even if his overall average isn't what we hoped it would be he still is one of the better punters in the league at pinning the opposition inside their own 15.

    Please don't. I started to mention last season being his first back after injury. What if
    Graessele has a great camp? I know What IF? You're right. I can't even sell myself on him being cut. I'll shut up for now. For what it's worth I also think El will have a hard time making the team. You know he's not going to contribute much on STs with his diminished skills. He'll end up with the Browns.

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    Solardave I hope you're right about Spaeth. He can't block good enough to be used the way they've been using him.
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    Not that it would break my heart, but I don't see Spaeth leaving this year. I hope we hold onto McHugh.

    With the talent at WR I think it will be tough for Chery, Grisham, and London to make the team.

    I agree with Doggett, and also think Frazier might be in a fight for a job.

    I see Hill as having to win his way back onto this time. I was a Hill fan, but I think he is gone.

    There could be some dog fights for jobs this year. That means a hard hitting, and interesting TC. I envy all of you that will be there to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texasteel View Post

    There could be some dog fights for jobs this year. That means a hard hitting, and interesting TC. I envy all of you that will be there to see it.
    Hmmmmm.....roadtrip? (I mean c'mon...you live a life of luxery now!!!)

    I would LOVE to go out there this year.
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    I'm with zulater...I think Randle El gets cut.....like to add that Grisham makes the team. IMO
    With Brown, Chery and Sanders making noise in OTA's, possibly Battle might be gone also for a youth movement at WR....which suites me fine. Time to get a good chemistry with these four (along with Wallace) now...while Hines is still active, serving as a mentor to them.

    Doggett only makes it if he turns out to be a sp. team demon because he is grossly undersized @ 210lbs to be a back-up LB.


    The Logan experiment should come to an end.

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    I still think it's too early even to determine this. One thing is for sure though, we better have depth at safety this season.

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    I have to wonder....If some of the rookies end up being special teams standouts, does that push Battle off the team? I really believe that he was picked up for ST's alone. His WR skills are mediocre at best so he if he is gonna make his mark he better keep one eye on the up-and-comers!! Also have to wonder if Tomlin realized he had made a mistake when he originally cut Anthony Madison or if Madison is still on the bubble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LLT View Post
    I have to wonder....If some of the rookies end up being special teams standouts, does that push Battle off the team? I really believe that he was picked up for ST's alone. His WR skills are mediocre at best so he if he is gonna make his mark he better keep one eye on the up-and-comers!! Also have to wonder if Tomlin realized he had made a mistake when he originally cut Anthony Madison or if Madison is still on the bubble.
    I don't think he will make that mistake again.

    I am excited about the WRs, and you know I am more of an in the trenches guy. I am reading some very good thing about their play and attitude. It will be interesting to see who sticks, and if we can hide the rest someplace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texasteel View Post
    I don't think he will make that mistake again.

    I am excited about the WRs, and you know I am more of an in the trenches guy. I am reading some very good thing about their play and attitude. It will be interesting to see who sticks, and if we can hide the rest someplace.
    Alot of people think that ARE will get cut, but I think Battle is gone before him. ARE should make the team ...if for no other reason then to have an additional Veteran presence. I think we see a starting three of Ward, Wallace, & Randle El. Sanders and Brown should fight over the #4 slot with the other being kept on the roster as a WR/RS OR possible BOTH kept on the roster as WR/RS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LLT View Post
    Alot of people think that ARE will get cut, but I think Battle is gone before him. ARE should make the team ...if for no other reason then to have an additional Veteran presence. I think we see a starting three of Ward, Wallace, & Randle El. Sanders and Brown should fight over the #4 slot with the other being kept on the roster as a WR/RS OR possible BOTH kept on the roster as WR/RS.
    I tend to agree there. Battle is a prospective Sean Morey type of player. He could be replaced by Grisham who could be a younger version of the same type of player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LLT View Post
    Nice picks...I think Bailey, Frazier, and Logan are gone and think that Tony Hills is on the bubble I think that Legursky is a player that alot of people are crossing of their list, but I think he makes the squad and is the backup to Pouncy NEXT year. The other surprise keeper on my list is UDFA Lindsey Witten
    If you think Frazier is gone, who is going to be the top backup at OLB? No way the Rooks are ready in week 1. Sliding Timmons over is a possibility but it's probably not the preferred move.

    I agree on Legursky -- I think the coaches like the guy.

    I'd love to see them keep McHugh and Johnson as backup TE, cutting Spaeth. They might even get something in trade for Spaeth. He does have better hands than most TE in the league. Maybe we can pick up another guard prospect to make it an even dozen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely McSmash View Post
    If you think Frazier is gone, who is going to be the top backup at OLB? No way the Rooks are ready in week 1. Sliding Timmons over is a possibility but it's probably not the preferred move.

    I agree on Legursky -- I think the coaches like the guy.

    I'd love to see them keep McHugh and Johnson as backup TE, cutting Spaeth. They might even get something in trade for Spaeth. He does have better hands than most TE in the league. Maybe we can pick up another guard prospect to make it an even dozen?

    I think you touched on what I am thinking in regards to OLB. With the versatility of Timmons, you can keep the two rookies as backups behind Woodley and Harrison, using them sparingly to learn the position and to give the Vets a breather. IF one goes down....Timmons moves to OLB and Foote takes over at his ILB position. You would still have a starting rotation of Woodley/Harrison and Timmons on the outside with Farrior and Foote on the inside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zulater View Post
    My surprise cut, Randle El. I love the guy but I watched him last year and he just wasn't much. Guys his age usually don't rebound when they start to slide.
    Wouldnt this cost us some big bucks? Someone chime in...

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    This camp is going to be absolutely insane. It almost seems like every guy on the roster has a shot to make the team. Never seen anything like it in my short time following the team.

    As for my picks:

    Cut:
    Essex
    Urbik
    Summers

    Keep
    Chris Scott
    Kyle Jolly (Being a little hypocritical here based off what I wrote on another thread but oh well)
    Justin Thornton

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    Quote Originally Posted by RushHard34 View Post
    Wouldnt this cost us some big bucks? Someone chime in...
    Unlikely. It was a relatively small contract without a lot of guaranteed in it. $1.8 million, maybe? Nothing big.

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    hey LLT...would you be a dear and break that roster down into position groups, so we can get a better look as to who's battling for what ?
    thanks...

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