Ben for League MVP ? why not

[86WARD]

What's the point? Lol...I could name 15 defensive player as well. Lol. Thomas deserved to be in an MVP discussion as well...

[HollywoodSteel]

True that. Also, if Reggie White didn't even get considered for the award back in 1987, then how can Watt be laughingly considered now ? And JJ Watt is not even a PIMPLE on Reggie White's ASS!! I mean White had 21 Sacks, and 100 + tackles in 12 games!! ( 12 people )...White was the most unstoppable SOB as a DE I ever saw play.

What makes you think White wasn't considered? And I think it's more than slightly wrong to say that "JJ Watt is not even a PIMPLE on Reggie White's ASS!!" White had a 1/2 more sack than Watt and Watt had 4 FF (White 0) and 5 fumble recoveries (White 1). And Watt broke White's record (set in 1991) for passes defended. Also White played in an era when it was just a wee bit easier to play defense. I'm not just talking about the rules. O-linemen are monsters these days and Watt dominates them all.

Don't get me wrong, Reggie White was one of the best ever, but to call Watt less than a pimple on his ass... well, you see what I'm saying.

Both guys great. Both guys should have been in the conversation. But in the end I doubt Watt will get the MVP either.

[thesteelerdealer]

What's the point? Lol...I could name 15 defensive player as well. Lol. Thomas deserved to be in an MVP discussion as well...

You are right, Thomas was a stud, and deserved to be in MVP discussions back then, and maybe he was...that I do not remember. And I also think JJ Watt is a very good player. But he was not anywhere near as good a DL as White was, who was dominating his whole career. Or as Bruce Smith was. Or do you really think JJ Watt was ever as purely dominating as " Mean Joe Green was ? I mean c'mon dude. You're a good guy but seriously, JJ Watt for all his talent and ability is not a MVP Candidate.

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What makes you think White wasn't considered? And I think it's more than slightly wrong to say that "JJ Watt is not even a PIMPLE on Reggie White's ASS!!" White had a 1/2 more sack than Watt and Watt had 4 FF (White 0) and 5 fumble recoveries (White 1). And Watt broke White's record (set in 1991) for passes defended. Also White played in an era when it was just a wee bit easier to play defense. I'm not just talking about the rules. O-linemen are monsters these days and Watt dominates them all.

Don't get me wrong, Reggie White was one of the best ever, but to call Watt less than a pimple on his ass... well, you see what I'm saying.

Both guys great. Both guys should have been in the conversation. But in the end I doubt Watt will get the MVP either.

Ahh...WRONG. White in 87 had 21 Sacks, and also had 4 FF.And he had like 17 more tackles then JJ, and in only 12 games as opposed to Watt's full 16 games. You must be a young puppy cause you clearly did not see White at his best as an Adult. Cause if you had, you wouldn't even be arguing JJ Watt and Reggie White as anything CLOSE to talent level.

[bayz101]

[86WARD]

White, Taylor, Greene...has nothing to do with Watt being in the discussion for MVP...and yes...he does deserve to be in the conversation. Has any player ever recorded 20 sacks two seasons in a row? This season's final stats: 20.5 sacks, four forced fumbles, one interception, 59 solo tackles, a safety, two defensive touchdowns, and four receiving touchdowns. Lawrence Taylor (since you want to compare) had 20.5 sacks, no FF, no INT, no TDs. And before you say, but the Giants won the Super Bowl...look at the rosters...much different...lol. Watt totally deserves to be in the conversation...just like Taylor, White, Thomas, Greene, Sanders, Smith whomever else you want to add in there during their respective time periods.

[steelreserve]

He certainly should be in the voting.

Here is how I look at MVP. Are the Broncos in worse shape without Manning than the Steelers would be without Roethlisberger? What about Luck? Perhaps even JJ Watts? What hurts BR's chances is the fact the Steelers have Brown and Bell on the roster. Bell could be in the running for MVP also.

What hurts Ben's chances is that he would be bad PR at a time when the league is getting its ass kicked by women's rights activists, and domestic violence this, and sexual assault that. He'd have to blow away the closest competitor by 1,000 yards and 20 TDs to even come close to being considered, and even then I wouldn't be surprised if they just gave it to Manning.

The same thing happened to Kobe Bryant in the mid-2000s - there were at least two seasons when he could've been named MVP and one where he hands-down should've won it, but he was barely even mentioned as a candidate because of his ... stuff that happened.

"Oh hey Kobe, good to see you. Looks like you're dominating the shit out of everyone, but, eh ... you see, um ... well, nobody likes you. We'll just give this to Steve Nash again instead."

[Shoes]

White and many others didn't have to play flag football as Watt does. I think it shows how special this kid is, with all the restrictions defensive players have to deal with today.

[Butch]

My money is on Tom Terrific the press can't get enough of him.

I personally would give it to Watt, but I have already heard someone with a vote say he hasn't done enough and that his vote is going to marsha. I also cannot believe how the press lets it slip their minds that this guy benefitted from cheating early in his career and is still reaping those benefits. Let the media love fest with all things cheatriots continue.

As for Watt he is the defensive equivalent to Berry Sanders, Sweatness and Sayers. This award should be renamed to the Most Popular QB according to the press award. Nothing will be better than winning it all and knocking marsha on his ass along the way.

[HollywoodSteel]

You are right, Thomas was a stud, and deserved to be in MVP discussions back then, and maybe he was...that I do not remember. And I also think JJ Watt is a very good player. But he was not anywhere near as good a DL as White was, who was dominating his whole career. Or as Bruce Smith was. Or do you really think JJ Watt was ever as purely dominating as " Mean Joe Green was ? I mean c'mon dude. You're a good guy but seriously, JJ Watt for all his talent and ability is not a MVP Candidate.

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Ahh...WRONG. White in 87 had 21 Sacks, and also had 4 FF.And he had like 17 more tackles then JJ, and in only 12 games as opposed to Watt's full 16 games. You must be a young puppy cause you clearly did not see White at his best as an Adult. Cause if you had, you wouldn't even be arguing JJ Watt and Reggie White as anything CLOSE to talent level.

You know, I was just about to to put up a post defending you, but I can now see why you are being accused of being a troll by multiple people (whose opinions I respect very much). If I was mistaken about White's stats in one category it's because wikipedia is wrong. But why did you have to turn it personal when I was actually engaging you in polite debate and taking you seriously? I'm 42 and watched Reggie White play quite a bit. I said he was great, and he was. Certainly head and shoulders above the competition of his era. J.J. Watt is also great, but in the era of the offense. If you think Watt is less than a pimple on anyone's ass then you must be delusional and possibly senile. You've made it very clear that you are quite old.

So congrats, you managed to get under my skin as well everyone else's, so you can chalk up another point when you report back to your clan of the cave troll. Now you've got one less person on this board who is willing to engage with you in a polite manner. You can go to sleep happy.

[thesteelerdealer]

White, Taylor, Greene...has nothing to do with Watt being in the discussion for MVP...and yes...he does deserve to be in the conversation. Has any player ever recorded 20 sacks two seasons in a row? This season's final stats: 20.5 sacks, four forced fumbles, one interception, 59 solo tackles, a safety, two defensive touchdowns, and four receiving touchdowns. Lawrence Taylor (since you want to compare) had 20.5 sacks, no FF, no INT, no TDs. And before you say, but the Giants won the Super Bowl...look at the rosters...much different...lol. Watt totally deserves to be in the conversation...just like Taylor, White, Thomas, Greene, Sanders, Smith whomever else you want to add in there during their respective time periods.

Check your facts Genius...JJ Watt has never had 20 sack seasons in a row either.

[86WARD]

Check your facts Genius...JJ Watt has never had 20 sack seasons in a row either.

Meant 2 separate 20 sack seasons. Name another that's had two...??

He's had 50+ in the last three seasons.

Thanks for the compliment. Wish the same could be said about Trolls.

[Butch]

You know, I was just about to to put up a post defending you, but I can now see why you are being accused of being a troll by multiple people (whose opinions I respect very much). If I was mistaken about White's stats in one category it's because wikipedia is wrong. But why did you have to turn it personal when I was actually engaging you in polite debate and taking you seriously? I'm 42 and watched Reggie White play quite a bit. I said he was great, and he was. Certainly head and shoulders above the competition of his era. J.J. Watt is also great, but in the era of the offense. If you think Watt is less than a pimple on anyone's ass then you must be delusional and possibly senile. You've made it very clear that you are quite old.

So congrats, you managed to get under my skin as well everyone else's, so you can chalk up another point when you report back to your clan of the cave troll. Now you've got one less person on this board who is willing to engage with you in a polite manner. You can go to sleep happy.

This is a classic example of a TROLL. He misrepresents facts and will flame anybody just to get a rise. He tries to use age as a qualifier, yet has said nothing to address when people call him out on his misrepresentations. Age is not a qualifier of anything other than your senior citizen discounts and being senile. I think it is safe to say he qualifies for the later.

As a wise man once told me..."Don't feed the Trolls!!!"

[thesteelerdealer]

Meant 2 separate 20 sack seasons. Name another that's had two...??

He's had 50+ in the last three seasons.

Thanks for the compliment. Wish the same could be said about Trolls.

Who cares ? Watt's only job as a DE is to rush the passer. So he gets just over 1 sack in a game...so what ? A defensive End gets at least 35 to 40 attempts a game to rush a passer....so if that's mostly his responsibility...getting 20 sacks is not all that. And does not mean said player is a true difference maker.

[86WARD]

Wrong again troll. He lines up all over...has done so his whole career. Not just at DE and if you knew anything, his job isn't only to rush the passer and if it's that easy, how come more DEs don't do it?? You know...20+ sacks? Interesting.

Here's just an idea for you...just to show you that you're wrong...again.

[HollywoodSteel]

This is a classic example of a TROLL. He misrepresents facts and will flame anybody just to get a rise. He tries to use age as a qualifier, yet has said nothing to address when people call him out on his misrepresentations. Age is not a qualifier of anything other than your senior citizen discounts and being senile. I think it is safe to say he qualifies for the later.

As a wise man once told me..."Don't feed the Trolls!!!"

I think I might have said something like to you recently. Only I was also willing to give him the benefit of the doubt at the time. I will never question your wisdom again. Your Troll-dar is far sharper than mine.

[T&B fan]

I vote for my man in Cleveland Johnny Manziel hes the best ,just ask him . and with the skill he showed in the 7Q he played .

[HollywoodSteel]

Wrong again troll. He lines up all over...has done so his whole career. Not just at DE and if you knew anything, his job isn't only to rush the passer and if it's that easy, how come more DEs don't do it?? You know...20+ sacks? Interesting.

Here's just an idea for you...just to show you that you're wrong...again.

He didn't know that once a receiver catches a ball and starts to run he is considered a runner in this league, and all rules about hitting a runner now apply. Fine. An honest mistake that he should have politely admitted and retracted his statement. Instead he moved the goalposts to talk about diving at people's knees, as if he'd never made the error. But I'm the fool who was giving him the benefit of the doubt about being a potentially reasonable contributor to the board. Now all we're doing is talking about him and what bridge he might live under rather than discussing football.

So shame on all of us.

[86WARD]

He didn't know that once a receiver catches a ball and starts to run he is considered a runner in this league, and all rules about hitting a runner now apply. Fine. An honest mistake that he should have politely admitted and retracted his statement. Instead he moved the goalposts to talk about diving at people's knees, as if he'd never made the error. But I'm the fool who was giving him the benefit of the doubt about being a potentially reasonable contributor to the board. Now all we're doing is talking about him and what bridge he might live under rather than discussing football.

So shame on all of us.

Good point.

[thesteelerdealer]

Wrong again troll. He lines up all over...has done so his whole career. Not just at DE and if you knew anything, his job isn't only to rush the passer and if it's that easy, how come more DEs don't do it?? You know...20+ sacks? Interesting.

Here's just an idea for you...just to show you that you're wrong...again.

The sacks are fine. But you act as if the Texans rather bad defensive rank is not important. I mean it's the same as Antonio Brown's current streak of 5 catches for 50 yards...I mean who cares ? You know how many times during that streak where Brown was basically contained the whole game ? Only to have the game basically decided, and then Ben and the offense throws 4 easy passes underneith the defense to get his 5 catches ? So in the end what does it matter ? It's a useless stat. What matters is whether we are winning, and what our record is. If Watt did what he has done, and made a Bad Houston team a winner, I would be right there with you....and I KNOW it's not all on Watt. But still, I have seen him plenty of times be totally Invisable in games. And I have never seen Reggie Whie or Derrick Thomas Invisable in any game they played in.

[Butch]

I think I might have said something like to you recently. Only I was also willing to give him the benefit of the doubt at the time. I will never question your wisdom again. Your Troll-dar is far sharper than mine.

LOL yep that is the wise man of whom I speak. I also wanted to give benefit of doubt, but after a while you can get a jist of his posts are to flame, and he could not be bothered with facts he just wants to try to stir the pot.

I suspect from his posts that he is a rats fan his timing couldn't be better.

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The sacks are fine. But you act as if the Texans rather bad defensive rank is not important. I mean it's the same as Antonio Brown's current streak of 5 catches for 50 yards...I mean who cares ? You know how many times during that streak where Brown was basically contained the whole game ? Only to have the game basically decided, and then Ben and the offense throws 4 easy passes underneith the defense to get his 5 catches ? So in the end what does it matter ? It's a useless stat. What matters is whether we are winning, and what our record is. If Watt did what he has done, and made a Bad Houston team a winner, I would be right there with you....and I KNOW it's not all on Watt. But still, I have seen him plenty of times be totally Invisable in games. And I have never seen Reggie Whie or Derrick Thomas Invisable in any game they played in.

I see said the blind man to his deaf son as he picked up his hammer and saw.

[Count Steeler]

He didn't know that once a receiver catches a ball and starts to run he is considered a runner in this league, and all rules about hitting a runner now apply. Fine. An honest mistake that he should have politely admitted and retracted his statement. Instead he moved the goalposts to talk about diving at people's knees, as if he'd never made the error. But I'm the fool who was giving him the benefit of the doubt about being a potentially reasonable contributor to the board. Now all we're doing is talking about him and what bridge he might live under rather than discussing football.

So shame on all of us.

Very steeldawgish.

[polamalubeast]

Hmm, lets see, off the top of my head, how about former KC Chief " Derrick Thomas "...I mean a STUD if there ever was one. Ever hear of him ? I KNOW a lot of the older Steeler fans here like myself certainly do. Well in 1990, against a good Seattle team, I believe Thomas had .....16 tackles, 7 Sacks, forced 3 fumbles that day, recovering 2 of them, and had a pick-6 as well.



There, hows that ?

Not a difference maker since the chiefs have lost this game

[Psycho Ward 86]

how has this troll lasted 243 posts

[Dwinsgames]

Very steeldawgish.

SPIKE

[thesteelerdealer]

SPIKE

Dwin...did you get my private message ?

[Dwinsgames]

Watt is as worthy of def player I have seen in my lifetime , he has had a season for the ages ... that being said this is now an offensive driven league and defense is minimized at every turn ( some will place higher emphasis on Watts season because of this ) while others totally will dismiss any player from that side of the ball from contention ...

but the purpose of this thread from the onset was to get people to take this to social media and make a stink over Ben not getting any recognition for the great year he has had , it will not get him the award but it should get some people talking anyways and he deserves to be in that conversation IMO

I see articles written By Gill Brandt calling for Romo for MVP contention , Bens season is much more worthy IMO ( basically 1,000 more passing yards than Romo ) TD/INT ratios basically the same , both have premier RBs at their disposal and highly thought of WRs .... so an apples to apples comparison

[steel striker]

I think Ben should atleast be in the conversation for the MVP but, we all know better. Brady, Rodgers, Manning.

[NCSteeler]

Watt is as worthy of def player I have seen in my lifetime , he has had a season for the ages ... that being said this is now an offensive driven league and defense is minimized at every turn ( some will place higher emphasis on Watts season because of this ) while others totally will dismiss any player from that side of the ball from contention ...

but the purpose of this thread from the onset was to get people to take this to social media and make a stink over Ben not getting any recognition for the great year he has had , it will not get him the award but it should get some people talking anyways and he deserves to be in that conversation IMO

I see articles written By Gill Brandt calling for Romo for MVP contention , Bens season is much more worthy IMO ( basically 1,000 more passing yards than Romo ) TD/INT ratios basically the same , both have premier RBs at their disposal and highly thought of WRs .... so an apples to apples comparison

Gil Brandt is a Cowboys homer. Only reason Romo would get any serious consideration is that he has so epically teased and failed in previous seasons.

Ben deserves serious consideration, but we all know it'll be Rodgers


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[86WARD]

Romo has a higher QB-Rating...that's why he gets any attention at all...and NCSteeler is right...Gil Brandt is the biggest Cowboys homer around.

[Dwinsgames]