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Johnny Manziel is the sixth rookie quarterback since the merger to be shut out in his first start in the last twenty years.
The other five?
Danny Wuerffel, Spergon Wynn, Henry Burris, Dave Ragone, and Rusty Smith.
Not exactly good company to keep with. Bad Omen for Johnny Cleveland.
Pretty much this. I simply dislike the kid and his jagoff punk demeanor.Originally Posted by X-Terminator
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Who in the blue hell is Spergon Wynn?
the Stud picked ahead of Tom Brady http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde...atching_u.html
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Figures. Only the Stains.
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They better start over with a good OL around Hoyer and try to build the defense while they look for a new QB.
All Defense!
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OUCH!
I have as low an opinion of Johnny as anyone. Thought he was going to be a major mistake by someone, was hope it would be the cowboys, but I want to see him finish the years before I completely cross him off. Maybe if he gets a little of the cockiness knocked out of him he may settle into being an average QB.
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Guy has a long way to go just to make average. He reeks of bust and garlic. He went in the 1st round on hype and the Browns got sucked in, again.
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"With love, with patience, and with Faith
....She'll make her way" ~ Natalie Merchant
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Quick quiz to determine how much a fan really knows about the NFL.
Which of these two is the REAL Johnny Football?
"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play"
-- Jack Lambert --
fixed it ... Johnie U .... is the only option I see nowQuick quiz to determine how much a fan really knows about the NFL.
Which of these two is the REAL Johnny Football?
lol...didn't take long did it...
I love Cleveland!!! They were so excited for Johnny Football by the end of the day they had already turned on him!! Awesome!!!
Guy is about as raw as you can be as a rookie QB...they at least have to give him a chance...lol.
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We learned a lot about Cleveland Browns rookie quarterback Johnny Manziel in his first NFL start. And we saw how much he has to work on.
Manziel showed some physical limitations and fundamental flaws against the Cincinnati Bengals. One thing that was immediately evident (and could be seen on detailed film study) is that Manziel has an average arm by NFL standards. Manziel needs functional space and a clean pocket to step up into throws and drive the ball. He works hard to put any velocity on his throws.
The problem is Manziel didn’t want to stay in the pocket. He lacks any feel for the pocket, has almost no pocket patience and discipline and is very quick to move and play what I call “random football” outside of the structure of the offense.
The Bengals used a “mush rush” concept a number of times with an inside rusher staying at the line of scrimmage to prevent Manziel from escaping vertically and making plays running the ball. And Manziel produced very little in the passing game.
Both of his interceptions were prime examples of his issues at this point.
His first interception came in the second quarter. The Browns had a post/cross route combination against the Bengals’ “Cover 3” zone. Josh Gordon’s post route lifted the front-side cornerback and the single-high safety, allowing Andrew Hawkins to be wide open on the crossing route. Manziel looked for a split second to his right, losing his downfield focus (Manziel didn't see things clearly; you could tell by his head, he didn’t have what you'd call a "calm helmet") and then drifted to his left. He threw the ball with no base or balance and the ball came out with nothing on it. It had poor location behind Hawkins too. Bengals cornerback Dre Kirkpatrick picked it off.
The second interception came on a third and 4. Gordon and Hawkins ran a mesh concept to get open immediately on a quick in-breaking route. Gordon broke open right away and Manziel looked right at him, but didn’t throw it. The second part of the route concept was tight end Jordan Cameron running a crossing route on the back side, over the top of Gordon and Hawkins. He was also wide open. Manziel didn’t register any of that, and with no pocket clarity he tried to make a random sandlot play. His ill-advised pass was picked off by Cincinnati's Adam Jones.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...203443292.html
It aint going to get better for this kid folks.
Manziel is just a rookie, and he could learn to hit more throws like the one to Gordon in rhythm from the pocket. But he needs significant work on his footwork as he plants and sets. Too often he’s off balance and not ready to deliver the ball. He still has a tendency to lock his front leg on his delivery. That will prevent him from driving the ball.
Manziel isn’t ready to play with patience in the pocket. Can he get there with experience? Maybe. But he has a lot to overcome to be a high-level NFL quarterback. He’s a small quarterback with average arm strength and almost no pocket skills and discipline at this point.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
So........ Johnny Average?Maybe if he gets a little of the cockiness knocked out of him he may settle into being an average QB.
In about 3 years, they'll be calling him Johnny Allstate. Or Johnny Walmart.So........ Johnny Average?
Only if he works very hard at his skills.So........ Johnny Average?
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"Johnny Cashier"
"A man's got to know his limitations."
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Just shows how much the pro game is above the college game. A lot of heros in college are zeros in the pros.
I wouldn't touch the Heismann Trophy winner either. Almost the kiss of death for an NFLer.
This is awesome!
Speaking of which, who was the last Heisman winner that was actually worth two squirts of piss in the NFL? Barry Sanders? Maybe not back that far, but I know it's been a while...
Carson Palmer to some degree? Ricky Williams?
Merry Christmas
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