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    If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    Would you accept Mike Munchak as HC? Or would you rather them go outside the organization?








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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    Quote Originally Posted by X-Terminator View Post
    Would you accept Mike Munchak as HC? Or would you rather them go outside the organization?
    No...Munchak was terrible as HC with the titans

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    I would give him an interview, but would go shopping beyond the Pittsburgh area. I'm not a fan of Art II and wouldn't be surprised if he would try and push for Haley.

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    Tough one. I think I'd rather they start fresh and let the new HC hire his staff. ArtII, hands off.

    Of course, if Colbert is gone as well, might as well let the new GM pick his HC. ArtII, hands off.

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    Ultimately? Try inevitably.

    Keep everyone else, but go outside the organization. This game was the straw that broke the Camel's back.

    If the Steelers miss the playoffs again this year, Tomlin is out.

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    Quote Originally Posted by Edman View Post
    Ultimately? Try inevitably.

    Keep everyone else, but go outside the organization. This game was the straw that broke the Camel's back.

    If the Steelers miss the playoffs again this year, Tomlin is out.
    If Tomlin goes, the whole coaching staff should go with him. Up to the new HC to pick and choose his guys. ArtII, hands off.

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    Quote Originally Posted by Count Steeler View Post
    Tough one. I think I'd rather they start fresh and let the new HC hire his staff. ArtII, hands off.

    Of course, if Colbert is gone as well, might as well let the new GM pick his HC. ArtII, hands off.
    You forgot something:

    Let the HC pick his coordinators. Art II, hands off.

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    Quote Originally Posted by MrPgh View Post
    You forgot something:

    Let the HC pick his coordinators. Art II, hands off.
    No, no. I include the coordinators as the staff of the HC. ArtII, hands off.

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    Bring back Bill Cowher?

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    Quote Originally Posted by polamalubeast View Post
    Bring back Bill Cowher?
    Please, God, no...

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    I wonder if Cowher has any interest in being a GM. Not coaching, just being GM. Ben would be our last great QB, but perhaps the rest of the team would get in shape.

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    Quote Originally Posted by Steelerette View Post
    I wonder if Cowher has any interest in being a GM. Not coaching, just being GM. Ben would be our last great QB, but perhaps the rest of the team would get in shape.
    Not only that, we may as well let Ben walk after his current contract is up if that were the case. Because we'd go right back to the "we don't need no stinkin' QB!" philosophy...

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    Quote Originally Posted by Count Steeler View Post
    If Tomlin goes, the whole coaching staff should go with him. Up to the new HC to pick and choose his guys. ArtII, hands off.
    Munchak should stay on as OL coach. Everyone else? Pack up the U-Haul. Colbert can go right along with them.

    I would rather them go outside the organization for both coach and GM. I wouldn't even consider Omar Khan for the latter. After that, Art II, hands off.








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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    Quote Originally Posted by Steelerette View Post
    I wonder if Cowher has any interest in being a GM. Not coaching, just being GM. Ben would be our last great QB, but perhaps the rest of the team would get in shape.
    Why not....The drafts of the steelers were often very good under Cowher

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    Quote Originally Posted by polamalubeast View Post
    Bring back Bill Cowher?
    And go back to 3-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust football? No thanks. I don't pine away for Cowher the way so many other fans do, like they were married to him or something.








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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    Quote Originally Posted by polamalubeast View Post
    Bring back Bill Cowher?
    That would be like rehiring Tomlin. I never liked Cowher and I don't like Tomlin. Both of them together couldn't equal a wart on Chuck Noll's a$$.

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    As much as I'm sour on Tomlin right now, let's have the rest of the season play out. If we finish anywhere north of 7-9, he's in no real danger. Not saying that's good or bad, but rather, how it is.

    Some of the trouble of letting Tomlin go is -- who really is out there to replace him?

    1) Todd Haley. I don't think it would be as bad as people think, but I'm in the minority on that, plus he wouldn't be my first choice anyways.

    2) Mike Munchak. Just can't see it happening.

    3) Someone who gets fired after this season. Can't see it happening.

    4) Rob Chudzinski. I would be on board with this one. Cleveland was drunk when they fired him.

    5) Darrell Bevelle (OC Seahawks). Who was the last offensive-minded head coach the Steelers had? Bill Austin. In today's NFL, maybe it's what we need though.

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    Quote Originally Posted by X-Terminator View Post
    And go back to 3-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust football? No thanks. I don't pine away for Cowher the way so many other fans do, like they were married to him or something.
    Same here. I liked Cowher, but if we want to try to actually maximize the twilight of Ben's career, then we need to go in a different direction entirely.

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    Quote Originally Posted by fansince'76 View Post
    Same here. I liked Cowher, but if we want to try to actually maximize the twilight of Ben's career, then we need to go in a different direction entirely.
    Agreed. There's nothing limiting the Steelers from picking between Cowher and Tomlin. They need a fresh perspective from outside the organization.

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    Quote Originally Posted by X-Terminator View Post
    Munchak should stay on as OL coach. Everyone else? Pack up the U-Haul. Colbert can go right along with them.

    I would rather them go outside the organization for both coach and GM. I wouldn't even consider Omar Khan for the latter. After that, Art II, hands off.
    As tempting as that is, I have to give free reign to the coach. If he chooses to keep Munchak, great. If not, great. Art II should only sign the checks and watch the games.

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    Time to clean house and that includes Colbert. Our drafting has been very poor for the last few years.

    I'd go outside of the organization for the head coach and GM. Don't hire anyone just because of their ties to the Steelers or the Pittsburgh area!

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    Cowher's not the answer. And I liked Cowher. He was the right choice in 1992, not 2015.

    Go outside the organization.



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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    It might get some laughs, go ahead and call me crazy, but I believe that if he were offered the HC job, Tony Dungy would take it.

    I know, it's highly unlikely. And it wouldn't be anything more than a short term fix. 4 years max. But I'd feel a hell of a lot better about the future of the Steelers organization if Dungy came in and put his thumbprint on the team.

    You don't have to agree with me, but I do recomend it.

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    Quote Originally Posted by katmandu View Post
    "IF" the Rooney's were foolish enough to make Haley HC, I will promptly burn my Steeler Nation membership card !!



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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    if /when Tomlin is done here I think you do exactly what they did in the past , you go outside the organization and find a young up and comer and take your chances ...

    the problem with that is control ..... you can not overwhelm a inexperienced guy or give him to much to handle all at once

    I think ( I am in the minority here ) you make many of the calls on the coaching staff in year 1 the adjustment from Pos coach to HC is great enough for a young guy ....

    if things do not work out with some you then allow the HC in year 2 to make changes in the failed units or areas ....

    but permit him to select his coordinators as they are the most vital to his success / failure keeping pos coaches in place makes for a smoother transition as they know the players far better than anyone else can in short order and they also know the weaknesses of the team too

    I think Munch is a guy I keep ....

    Lake is a guy I keep ....

    Mann is a guy I keep ...

    Saxon is a guy I keep ...

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    The NFL has changed dramatically in the past few years. With the limited time the coaching staff can spend with the players, practice time is at such a premium. Ditto operational design (game planning) and tactical execution (play calling / game management). I don't think anyone on the Steelers staff excels in any of these areas. I would look for a successful college coach who is used to getting the most out of limited time with players. If he is an innovator on either offense or defense, that would be a bonus. If not, hire an innovator as coordinator. A college coach would also be used to dealing with a new set of players virtually every year, like the NFL is with free agency and roster turnover. Not sure who this might be, but that is the direction I would go. Maybe Mark Whipple?

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    Quote Originally Posted by Steelerette View Post
    I wonder if Cowher has any interest in being a GM. Not coaching, just being GM. Ben would be our last great QB, but perhaps the rest of the team would get in shape.
    I like this idea better than him coming back as a coach, and I think it would be interesting who he would bring in as coach.

    As for Manchak I agree with those who say no to him as HC but yes to him staying in his current position.

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    I'd try to poach Doug Whaley away from the Bills as GM. Bill Cowher has no qualifications to be a GM.

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    Re: If Mike Tomlin is ultimately fired...

    Outside the organization. I would consider keeping Munchak as OLine Coach and maybe, MAYBE Butler because of the personnel the Steelers have. Everyone else including Colbert and Khaaaaan can take a hike,


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