Yes, it gives hope. But some people here are acting like this one good game and this one good half by Wilson proves something beyond a doubt when it actually doesn't. I want to see if Wilson can continue to do this, especially when we start playing the good teams at the end of the schedule. If this happens I will be very happy to jump on the Wilson bandwagon and give Tomlin credit for bringing him in, but I've got to see a lot more of him before I do so.Originally Posted by El Kabong
...he says as he continues to complain about me.
I also thought we had a decent debate going until THIS response.
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Are you saying the fans celebrating this win shouldn't be doing that?
It wasn’t a playoff win so you can’t celebrate that. Tomlin almost lost that game by going rogue and starting Wilson!
It wasn’t until the Jets turned over on their own that the Steelers took the game over. If the Jets didn’t give up, they would have won…easily!!
The best part about that Patriots transition is it ended the "Belichick is a genius" talk. Belichick is a very average coach that cheated, his record without Brady is dismal and he's a fraud.Oh, a team that managed to win one Super Bowl in its history back around Apollo 11 and Woodstock before Mahomes showed up? Is that the benchmark now? Because generational talents at QB are so easy to find.
Speaking of which, the Patriots sure have managed the transition to the post-Brady era smoothly, haven't they?
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Let's wait and see how they do in the second half when they have six games against the division, the Chiefs at home, the Commanderskins (5-2) and Eagles (4-2) on the road.
Oneforthetoe said "we are in the parity (cap) era not the Super team era." I debunked that by noting that we currently have a "Super team" in the NFL, the Kansas City Chiefs. What do the old-time Chiefs or the New England Patriots (the prior Super team) have to do with THAT???Oh, a team that managed to win one Super Bowl in its history back around Apollo 11 and Woodstock before Mahomes showed up? Is that the benchmark now? Because generational talents at QB are so easy to find.
Speaking of which, the Patriots sure have managed the transition to the post-Brady era smoothly, haven't they?
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Another response that has nothing at all to do with what I actually said. What the hell is going on with this board?
How is getting rid of both of your QB's and your OC and bringing in three new guys a sign of stability?
The only thing separating the Chiefs from the rest of the pack is Mahomes. A very good team with a generational talent at QB is not a "super team." That was my point.Oneforthetoe said "we are in the parity (cap) era not the Super team era." I debunked that by noting that we currently have a "Super team" in the NFL, the Kansas City Chiefs. What do the old-time Chiefs or the New England Patriots (the prior Super team) have to do with THAT???
And frankly, I thought and I continue to think that the Patriots "dynasty" was a joke. Playing against a division full of sad sacks year after year after year in a largely watered-down league all while pulling a bunch of bush league crap like deflating footballs and monkeying with their scoreboard and opposing teams' communication equipment during home games on top of it is simply not impressive in my book.
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You say acting like we've won something and need to stop. We did win a game we were expected to lose. We were home dogs in that game. There are no participation trophies and I don't think anyone claimed a championship. But we looked like a real team Sunday night in all 3 phases for the first time this season. I call that a reason to get excited and to celebrate. It's only a game after all.Oneforthetoe said "we are in the parity (cap) era not the Super team era." I debunked that by noting that we currently have a "Super team" in the NFL, the Kansas City Chiefs. What do the old-time Chiefs or the New England Patriots (the prior Super team) have to do with THAT???
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Another response that has nothing at all to do with what I actually said. What the hell is going on with this board?
You don’t need to win games to get to the playoffs. There’s no such thing as accomplishing little goals to get to the big goal.
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That’s the thing. Things that are clear to 99% of the population are still confusing to you.
Because our new QB's and OC are better this year?
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You simply don't respond to the argument made. I referred to the Super team era ( like the 70's ) because there were a number of teams that were head and shoulders above the rest. In the late 70's it was the Steelers, Cowboys and Raiders. We are in parity era, because other than the Chiefs, the rest of the league is a lot closer from top to bottom than ever before. You simply can't stay on top of the league anymore unless you have a generational quarterback. I'd say the Super team era started to wane as soon as free agency and the salary cap really took hold. The last hurrah was maybe the Cowboys and 49's in the 90's.I also thought we had a decent debate going until THIS response.
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IMO a team that wins several championships within a brief period of time is indeed a "super team". And having a "generational talent at QB" doesn't disqualify a team from being a super team, it is often a big reason why a super team IS a super team. Using your logic, the 70's Steelers weren't a super team because they had Bradshaw, the 60's Packers weren't a super team because they had Bart Starr, and the 40's and 50's Browns weren't a super team because they had Otto Graham.
The post you were objecting to was when I was responding to your statement "the recent playoff drought aside, his resume stacks up against other coaches in, or destined for, the Hall quite well". When you're evaluating anybody or anything, you can't just ignore all the bad stuff and only mention the good, you have to look at and include the whole picture. If you ignore or minimize all the bad things that a player, coach, or team do, then you can make a case that every player, coach, or team you are evaluating is great. This is what I was trying to illustrate when I brought up the Pirates. Other examples include saying "His incompletions and interceptions aside, Mitch Trubisky was a great quarterback", or "Their screwups and losing seasons aside, the Cleveland Browns of the last 25 years have been a great football team", or "Her husband's assassination aside, Mrs. Lincoln had a great time at the theater tonight".
Regarding your point about the Super teams, see my reply above to fansince'76.
Things that make me appreciate Mike Tomlin all the more:
The Colts entire Anthony Richardson debacle.
The Panthers -- well just everything there is terrible. But Tomlin got more out of Dionte Johnson than the Panthers did.
The Jets and Giants imploding in prime time.
There is more...but that was it for now.
Do you ever wear yourself out!?!
And those who think that Tomlin gave up too soon on a QB after 24 starts,this is a lot compared to other team who gave up on a QB after 10 starts or less!
Why not become a Panthers fan when you never have to worry about “playoffs”…….or be a KC fan, where they are currently winning LOTS OF playoff games.
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I vote that he takes the Chiefs position. They're setup nicely for him, at least until he's 95.
Tomlin kept Antonio Brown under control for a pretty long time and got much more production out of him than Bruce Arians, Jon Gruden, Bill Belichick…all guys that have been mentioned as a replacement or “better” than Tomlin.
It has arrived!
A new cartoon to post!!
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I think the team's philosophy turned this season into win now without mortgaging the future too much instead of ride average QBs into another marginal season. They traded for one decent developmental QB that was better than what they had and outright stole an elite one. This time Tomlin's personality was able to land them which created a competitive edge and so far got the most out of them. Fact.
All Defense!
Being the "voice of reason" on this board is a full time job.
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Of course, none of these things you're appreciating Tomlin for have anything to do with playoff wins.
Why don't you Good Ol' Boys become Indy fans? They just promoted a veteran QB who won a Super Bowl ten or so years ago.
to be fair to Belichick, its pretty difficult to win in the NFL without a Qb. Tomlin is yet to do it.
Cowher got pretty close in 95.
This is not just about super bowl...Problem with Belichick,he had like 10 losing season in 13 season without Brady...Still a very good HC but his record without Brady was bad....For Tomlin,he had 8-9 QB with at least 2 starts in his career and everyone outside of Mitch Trubisky was .500 or better
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