FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!!

[pczach]

Sorry to hear that.

Honestly, my apologies to you and anyone else who I have caused not to enjoy coming here as much as they used to. I know I am not for everyone and not always posting with the best attitude.

No matter what, you will be missed.

I don't mean to speak for him, but if I had to make an educated guess:

I don't think you have anything to do with it.

In fact, I would think Hawkman is probably more in line with you about most recent issues. He's always been a fan that supports the organization and Mike Tomlin.

I think he probably believes there is too much negativity about the team. That would be my guess.

[DesertSteel]

I don't mean to speak for him, but if I had to make an educated guess:

I don't think you have anything to do with it.

In fact, I would think Hawkman is probably more in line with you about most recent issues. He's always been a fan that supports the organization and Mike Tomlin.

I think he probably believes there is too much negativity about the team. That would be my guess.

Probably, but it's no worse than ever. And honestly, out of the 5-7 or so fan boards that I am or have been part of, this one is the mildest. College team boards are the worst. Those people are crazy!!

[tube517]

This will probably be my last post ! Been with a number of you for 20+ years. But, it seems to be ……not fun anymore. I have an amount of money “earmarked “ for this site …..so Adms” let me know.

I hope you reconsider but I completely understand. I stayed away from the forum after the most recent loss. This thread gets resuscitated after losses but is silent after wins especially by the usual characters who come out just to criticize but won't come out when there is a win.

[Mojouw]

I'm going to suggest that you aren't the problem. Not that I'm suggesting anyone else is.

I don't mean to speak for him, but if I had to make an educated guess:

I don't think you have anything to do with it.

In fact, I would think Hawkman is probably more in line with you about most recent issues. He's always been a fan that supports the organization and Mike Tomlin.

I think he probably believes there is too much negativity about the team. That would be my guess.

I will take the positive feedback.

I think it is far too negative the past two years as well. But I contribute to that as well based on my own biases and entrenched ideas.

Plus, I like to argue on the internet. And I use 100 words when 5 would work....can get tiresome.


And one day, Tomlin will "retire" either by choice or by a quiet but strong word from the owner's office. 2023-2024 is not going to be that window.

Take a look around the league....what team is meeting expectations? Niners and Cowboys and then....no one? this is just how the NFL is now.

[steelreserve]

Well, on a different note - for the "Who else are we going to get? What NFL head coach has a better track record than Tomlin? Bill Belichick and who else - and it's not like you can just go out and sign Bill Belichick" crowd:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/patriot...045855224.html

[dislocatedday]

Probably, but it's no worse than ever. And honestly, out of the 5-7 or so fan boards that I am or have been part of, this one is the mildest. College team boards are the worst. Those people are crazy!!

This is the only sports related board for I actively post and participate, for the reason that for the most part things are mild and it is not a bunch of incessant, irrational, rants and complaints........at least compared to most boards I have read.

There is always going to be some of that, and I am sure I have even made some dumb, irrational posts.

In regards to Tomlin, I have sometimes wondered if he should maybe be replaced, but when I actively think about everything he has been very successful overall even without the playoff wins the last several years.

I just really hope he brings in an outside OC this off-season and other new position coaches (oline mainly) and improves that unit. My gut tells me they will give KP one more year to prove himself at QB, but if they have already determined he is not capable of being the long-term solution then they should begin looking for the next QB also IMO.

[pczach]

Probably, but it's no worse than ever. And honestly, out of the 5-7 or so fan boards that I am or have been part of, this one is the mildest. College team boards are the worst. Those people are crazy!!

You are absolutely correct, but if this is his home and all he knows then it feels like it's a bitchfest.

Other boards are soooooo bad!

[El Kabong]

I will take the positive feedback.

I think it is far too negative the past two years as well. But I contribute to that as well based on my own biases and entrenched ideas.

Plus, I like to argue on the internet. And I use 100 words when 5 would work....can get tiresome.


And one day, Tomlin will "retire" either by choice or by a quiet but strong word from the owner's office. 2023-2024 is not going to be that window.

Take a look around the league....what team is meeting expectations? Niners and Cowboys and then....no one? this is just how the NFL is now.

You are a nice and considerate poster. I can't imagine anyone leaving a message board because of you.

[tube517]

Probably, but it's no worse than ever. And honestly, out of the 5-7 or so fan boards that I am or have been part of, this one is the mildest. College team boards are the worst. Those people are crazy!!

I'm in some other Steeler boards but not as much as here. I am in two Sixers boards and they are 10x worse than here. I mean the Sixers haven't won a championship since 83 and the owners then and now just botch draft picks and make some terrible trades. Talk about "wasting" a player they say that with the current team. Been a Sixer fan(because of Dr. J who played in Virginia/ABA before the Sixers). nearly as long as the Steelers. I get the frustration currently for the Steelers but Sixer/Philly fans are worse.

I'm also in some Virginia Tech football forums and we went through a "Canada" OC named Bryan Stinespring a few years ago. He was turrible and the hatred reached the level of Canada before he was finally let go.

[Hawkman]

I don't mean to speak for him, but if I had to make an educated guess:

I don't think you have anything to do with it.

In fact, I would think Hawkman is probably more in line with you about most recent issues. He's always been a fan that supports the organization and Mike Tomlin.

I think he probably believes there is too much negativity about the team. That would be my guess.

THIS!!

[pczach]

THIS!!

I'm happy to see you here. I hope you changed your mind and decided to put up with us for a little while longer.

We need you.

[Penglose]

This is the only sports related board for I actively post and participate, for the reason that for the most part things are mild and it is not a bunch of incessant, irrational, rants and complaints........at least compared to most boards I have read.

There is always going to be some of that, and I am sure I have even made some dumb, irrational posts.

In regards to Tomlin, I have sometimes wondered if he should maybe be replaced, but when I actively think about everything he has been very successful overall even without the playoff wins the last several years.

I just really hope he brings in an outside OC this off-season and other new position coaches (oline mainly) and improves that unit. My gut tells me they will give KP one more year to prove himself at QB, but if they have already determined he is not capable of being the long-term solution then they should begin looking for the next QB also IMO.

I've always thought that Tomllin's biggest downfall is he's terrible at picking assistant coaches. But many in charge in this world prefer coaches that are dumber than they are to not risk replacing themselves. Up to now, I defended Tomlin. Now, whether it's his choice of assistants, or his own incompetence, it's time for a change. Maybe he could stay, but wholesale changes need to be made under him. I'm not too keen on the defensive play calls either. Their defense has let them down almost as much as their offense.

In an unrelated topic, I watched the Mike Tomlin show last night, and he was asked about the deep pass on 4th and 2 that ended the last game. He said they always take risks downfield in that situation because teams are defending up to the sticks to prevent the first down. Implying they weren't afraid to do that. What the fuck? Normally when confronted with a 4 and 6, they throw the ball 4 yards and hope for the catch and carry. Substitute and yardage and take off a couple yards and that's what they normally do. How could he make such a bullshit lie up when we've watched that all year.

[dislocatedday]

I've always thought that Tomllin's biggest downfall is he's terrible at picking assistant coaches. But many in charge in this world prefer coaches that are dumber than they are to not risk replacing themselves. Up to now, I defended Tomlin. Now, whether it's his choice of assistants, or his own incompetence, it's time for a change. Maybe he could stay, but wholesale changes need to be made under him. I'm not too keen on the defensive play calls either. Their defense has let them down almost as much as their offense.

In an unrelated topic, I watched the Mike Tomlin show last night, and he was asked about the deep pass on 4th and 2 that ended the last game. He said they always take risks downfield in that situation because teams are defending up to the sticks to prevent the first down. Implying they weren't afraid to do that. What the fuck? Normally when confronted with a 4 and 6, they throw the ball 4 yards and hope for the catch and carry. Substitute and yardage and take off a couple yards and that's what they normally do. How could he make such a bullshit lie up when we've watched that all year.

I tend to believe that Tomlin is just shielding his QB and offensive play-caller from receiving criticism on that play, and taking all the heat upon himself for that debacle of a 4th and 2 play. He is giving that answer to the media to protect them, which is what a leader should do in this case. In reality, I would bet that behind the scenes Tomlin did not like that call or decision either, and that Mitch or Mike Sullivan used bad judgement there to attempt that throw in that situation.

I would have been OK with that call on 3rd and 2...........but not 4th and 2 when the game is over if you do not convert.

[Mojouw]

Here’s the thing. Public Tomlin is gonna be sunshine and rainbows. As long as closed door Tomlin is different it’s fine.

[DesertSteel]

Here’s the thing. Public Tomlin is gonna be sunshine and rainbows. As long as closed door Tomlin is different it’s fine.

You ever see Tomlin talk to a player the way Sean Payton lit into Russell Wilson tonight? I haven’t. And I highly doubt he’s doing it in private either.

[Rotorhead]

It is pretty obvious he has lost the locker room and team. The players knew Canada was hot garbage before this season and Tomlin kept him on. They watch as the offense put up abysmal numbers and were constantly bailed out by the defense. They watched when the offense just got worse every game and the injuries piled up on defense. They watched as nothing changed until it was too late, listening to empty platitudes and promises, and nothing changed until it was too late. Now they know they were 7-4 and one game out of a division win and were too late to salvage a season because of bad coaching and choices. Nobody in that locker trusts that Tomlin can do anything except talk a big game about “unleashing hell” and “the standard is the standard” and “big changes” when nothing actually happens. The sooner he is gone the better.

[86WARD]

You ever see Tomlin talk to a player the way Sean Payton lit into Russell Wilson tonight? I haven’t. And I highly doubt he’s doing it in private either.

Yes. He did it last year to the whole offense on the sideline. You also see him take players aside and talk to them. You don't have to yell at someone emotionally to get a point across. I don't recall Bill Walsh ever doing it...

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It is pretty obvious he has lost the locker room and team. The players knew Canada was hot garbage before this season and Tomlin kept him on. They watch as the offense put up abysmal numbers and were constantly bailed out by the defense. They watched when the offense just got worse every game and the injuries piled up on defense. They watched as nothing changed until it was too late, listening to empty platitudes and promises, and nothing changed until it was too late. Now they know they were 7-4 and one game out of a division win and were too late to salvage a season because of bad coaching and choices. Nobody in that locker trusts that Tomlin can do anything except talk a big game about “unleashing hell” and “the standard is the standard” and “big changes” when nothing actually happens. The sooner he is gone the better.

He lost it when Canada was here in 2022. SHouldve been gone before that. It was obvious that he wasn't an NFL caliber coach the day he was hired.

[Crow-Magnon]

I’m going to say that I have been surprised by the state of the Steelers this season. Yeah, we all have our up and down years. It happens. But I have never seen Steelers players (Pickens is a prime example) that simply look like they are taking up space on the field. Once? Ok, maybe you get a pass. But I am flabbergasted that Tomlin has not addressed this on the field. Yeah, it needs to be addressed in the locker room and behind closed doors as well, but a HC needs to make 110% damned sure that lackadaisical play and simply standing there doing jack shit is not tolerated. But he seems to tolerate it.

Why is the question. Whether one believes Tomlin is a great, good, average or poor HC isn’t relative. Many HC’s who aren’t that good would not tolerate that behavior. To me, it looks like Tomlin is just tired of this fight. I think both he and the Steelers need a change. I don’t see that coming from the owners’ side of things, and I highly doubt Tomlin would walk away on his own.All I know is that I cannot recall ever watching such lethargy on a Steelers team in my life. And I’ve watched them since the 70s.

[86WARD]

Sometimes coaches need a change. Andy Reid, Mike Holmgren, Bill Parcells, Marty Shottenheimer...they all went on to other organizations after having long-term success and were again successful. Doesn't make any of them bad coaches. Tomlin is a Hall of Fame Coach and he could continue that in Pittsburgh or he could go elsewhere or he could go into TV...no matter where he goes, he will be in the HOF when the time comes.

If he stays in coaching and in Pittsburgh, he's got one year to hire a coaching staff and right the ship or maybe it's time for him to move on. Matt Canada hire will go down in history as Tomlin's worst move as a head coach. It crippled the organization for 4 years. If he Rooney's can't see that as well, the problem runs much deeper than Tomlin and is much more concerning then just an exhausted head coach.

[lipps83]

Sometimes coaches need a change. Andy Reid, Mike Holmgren, Bill Parcells, Marty Shottenheimer...they all went on to other organizations after having long-term success and were again successful. Doesn't make any of them bad coaches. Tomlin is a Hall of Fame Coach and he could continue that in Pittsburgh or he could go elsewhere or he could go into TV...no matter where he goes, he will be in the HOF when the time comes.

If he stays in coaching and in Pittsburgh, he's got one year to hire a coaching staff and right the ship or maybe it's time for him to move on. Matt Canada hire will go down in history as Tomlin's worst move as a head coach. It crippled the organization for 4 years. If he Rooney's can't see that as well, the problem runs much deeper than Tomlin and is much more concerning then just an exhausted head coach.

I think this is more along the lines of reality and what may eventually take place. The last two years of Ben were squandered by Canada and now the post-Ben era has been set back another 2 years because Canada was still here running his offense. This team really doesn't know what they have in Pickett after 2 years due to the offensive system that was put into place, so Pickett will get another year or two to prove himself as well. If he doesn't, then the organization will seek out a new QB.

I also think Tomlin will be given another year, maybe two, to get things back on track. If he doesn't, then the organization will seek out a new HC.

The Steelers are not a "win-or-else" organization, and hopefully they never become one.

That is one of the things that makes them the one of most successful franchises in the league.

[Pastrami]

Tomlin won't/ can't be fired. The 2 options are:

1.) He gracefully retires in the next season or 2.

2.) We have him the next 10-15 years and become the stains 2.0.

[SteeleReign]

Tomlin won't/ can't be fired. The 2 options are:

1.) He gracefully retires in the next season or 2.

2.) We have him the next 10-15 years and become the stains 2.0.

Or, better yet, we trade him to the Commanders.

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[Rotorhead]

Tomlin won't/ can't be fired. The 2 options are:

1.) He gracefully retires in the next season or 2.

2.) We have him the next 10-15 years and become the stains 2.0.

Doesn’t he have 1 more year on his contract? Best case, to me, would be to let him walk at the end of the season and get an entire new coaching staff. Second best option is get a good OC that will move into the HC slot after a year of fixing the offense. Worst option would be to keep Tomlin past his contract.

[Mach1]

When the coach says he doesn’t know what the problem is nor how to fix it……
Time to find someone who can.

[feltdizz]

You ever see Tomlin talk to a player the way Sean Payton lit into Russell Wilson tonight? I haven’t. And I highly doubt he’s doing it in private either.

I don’t think that works but at least it shows the fans the coach cares, I guess.. lol.

I would just like to see Tomlin show some passion towards the refs, after a good defensive stop or a good play on offense.

[feltdizz]

I think this is more along the lines of reality and what may eventually take place. The last two years of Ben were squandered by Canada and now the post-Ben era has been set back another 2 years because Canada was still here running his offense. This team really doesn't know what they have in Pickett after 2 years due to the offensive system that was put into place, so Pickett will get another year or two to prove himself as well. If he doesn't, then the organization will seek out a new QB.

I also think Tomlin will be given another year, maybe two, to get things back on track. If he doesn't, then the organization will seek out a new HC.

The Steelers are not a "win-or-else" organization, and hopefully they never become one.

That is one of the things that makes them the one of most successful franchises in the league.

Ben wasn’t doing anything regardless of the OC. His game was built on being physical and extended plays after contact. I know folks don’t want to hear it but we held onto him too long. Once teams figured out Ben couldn’t move they backed off it all fell apart.

NFL is a young mans game. Maybe Aaron Rodgers comes back and shocks the world next year but more than likely he is a shell who gets injured again or has another 7 win season.

I’ve soured on Tomlin but I still think with a healthy Pickett we could’ve won the AZ game and the Pats game. Would have been ugly but I think once Mitch was the starter the team lost all faith.

[Mojouw]

Ben wasn’t doing anything regardless of the OC. His game was built on being physical and extended plays after contact. I know folks don’t want to hear it but we held onto him too long. Once teams figured out Ben couldn’t move they backed off it all fell apart.

NFL is a young mans game. Maybe Aaron Rodgers comes back and shocks the world next year but more than likely he is a shell who gets injured again or has another 7 win season.

I’ve soured on Tomlin but I still think with a healthy Pickett we could’ve won the AZ game and the Pats game. Would have been ugly but I think once Mitch was the starter the team lost all faith.

I also feel this way. I completely underestimated how D-O-N-E with Mitch the rest of the offense is. I thought that having him as a back-up was sustainable. But, in hindsight, team chemistry likely demanded he get cut this past off-season.

[Steeler-in-west]

You ever see Tomlin talk to a player the way Sean Payton lit into Russell Wilson tonight? I haven’t. And I highly doubt he’s doing it in private either.

I wanted to see Tomlin grab Mitchell by the face mask on the sideline after one of his many stupid decisions, oh well, that’s not Mike, and it’s a new sensitive era

[Mojouw]

It is interesting that if you skim through this entire 70 some page thread....how many people are just emotionally upset that Tomlin never seems as visibly angry as they are.

A ton of posts never mention football or roster decisions. They are just venting that Tomlin doesn't yell at people enough or say mean things in press conferences.

[86WARD]

It is interesting that if you skim through this entire 70 some page thread....how many people are just emotionally upset that Tomlin never seems as visibly angry as they are.

A ton of posts never mention football or roster decisions. They are just venting that Tomlin doesn't yell at people enough or say mean things in press conferences.

I mean if he showed emotion in press conferences, then he’d be a baby or a hot head with no composure.