I think many of us know once Dan is gone, Art II is going to play a much bigger role in the day to day affairs. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.
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I think many of us know once Dan is gone, Art II is going to play a much bigger role in the day to day affairs. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.
Originally Posted by SteelerFanInStl
I know that end of the field has been closed but I also know the guy is hitting less than 70% on the season.
Just another thing to bash Tomlin for...why is it that all their injury evaluations are way, way off...now it looks as if Wheaton is done for the season and possibly his Steelers career is over?
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What?? Are you going to celebrate if that happens?? Really? You're hoping for that?
The Cleveland quip was sarcasm
Hard to tell sometimes with the crowd around here.
I wonder if their doctors and trainers are inept. That could explain all of the injuries...maybe
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And today Heyward...another evaluation that was "off"?
It's odd to me that so many people wonder why an NFL coach is less-than-truthful about the injury status of player.
If it were up to the coaches, they wouldn't say ANYTHING.
Bill Belichick is a master of saying a lot, but meaning nothing; Tomlin is pretty much of the same ilk. Mike Shannahan one time got fined for not listing a player as being injured... so, the next week, he put all 53 players on the "doubtful" list.
Beyond gamesmanship, the players themselves hate it when the opposition knows that they have an injury. Defenders have overtly stated that they will target a body part that they know is injured.
Yeah that is just normal. Tomlin already deserves enough blame for clock management and personnel decisions. No need to give him blame for one of the numerous things he does right.
Coaches should not give much injury info. Who is it for anyways? Vegas!!!
"The injury report exists to give gamblers an accurate spread." --- Damon Wayans, The Last Boyscout
Tomlin plays players even before they should be back from injury. That is an old school attitude I admire.
That is an under-appreciated movie. So many good quotes...
"We're being beaten up by the inventor of scrabble."
"I think that I f*cked a squirrel to death."
"It doesn't look like a bomb, it looks like an apple with lines comin' out of it. They're gonna say "Don't open the briefcase, it's full of fresh fruit!"
"What's with number on the back of your head? Is that like a license plate in case somebody tries to steal it?"
Been visiting the boards of three other championship coaches who are struggling. McCarthy, Harbaugh, and Payton. Change the names, and this thread would fit right on their boards. They are really trashing Harbaugh down in Baltimore, and many want to see McCarthy shown the door in GB. Green Bay and New Orleans have quarterbacks who generally are considered to be better than Ben, yet they are struggling badly. Might lend some credence to the theory that most coaches have a shelf life of 7-10 years before they need to move on.
Be interesting if it could ever be determined whether that 7-10 year window is the coach going stale or about the same time most NFL rosters need a pretty serious rebuild - typically while being hampered by picking in the lower third of each round and with cap troubles.
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Spot on!!!
Probably this. All of these teams have holes in their roster. Well run teams seem to be able to avoid hitting rock bottom though. The late 90s Steelers are a perfect example of this. Spotty drafts from 93-97 caught up with them as the Greg Lloyds got old. We had a few lean years, but they weren't rock bottom years, such as what happened to the Rams at the end of their run. The drafts picked back up around 98, and by 2001, the Steelers were a contender again.
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The nonsense at the goal line at the end of the first half yesterday was not just noticed by Steelers fans and local writers.
This from SI.com
It seems like Mike Tomlin takes the field each Sunday trying to find a way to prove that he’s some genius coach, whether it’s his over-the-top two-point conversion attempts or grand gestures on the sideline. Against the Browns and up 6–0, Tomlin just had to go for a touchdown at the Browns’ 1-yard line on an untimed down not once, but twice. Luckily for Tomlin, he was playing the Browns and got the score. Wow, good for him. He’s a genius.
http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/11/20/nfl...hts-storylines
There also may be a 7 to 10 year window until a coach who the national media loves falls out of favor
This author also said:
"The playclock appeared to expire before the Steelers received a defensive holding penalty that prolonged the first half."
Uh... as long as the Steelers got the snap off before time ran out, the play can last as long as it wants. This isn't basketball.
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LOL... yeah, who's the genius?!
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Depends how you read the sentence (which was not in the Tomlin item I cited in the article but in a separate item on blown calls yesterday, including the missed call when Haden grabbed Brown) - I do not read that sentence to mean the dead ball foul should have ended the half, just that the refs missed the delay of game call (which having watched the replay on NFL Game Pass they did)
But in any event I do not hear you saying that it was smart to go for it on the extra plays after regulation time expired rather than kick a field goal to go up by more than one TD to end the half - maybe there are some analytics that show that was the smart play
I guess SI wanted to corner the market on bad NFL commentary? I mean you just have to have a successor to Peter King ready to go!
I realize there are lies, damned lies, and statistics - BUT...All of the "math" says to go for two as often as possible, rarely kick FG's and never (I truly mean never) punt. But football, particularly at the NFL level, is locked into a "don't lose" mentality.
Look what Hue Jackson did yesterday. Down 14-0, his offense finally moves the ball and has 4th and goal from the 6. What does he do? Kicks the FG and the Browns never really threaten again. That's some solid 0-10 coaching right there.
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Patriots missed the extra point to go up 6-0 yesterday - when they scored again they kicked the extra point to go up 13-3 rather than go for 2 like someone did last week when his team went up 12-3 - but we all know Bill Belichick has a "don't lose" mentality
Fine. We can do the math.
Here is a relatively math free summary of why you basically never punt - http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/05/up...-why.html?_r=0
Quick outline of the fact that the math is in your favor to go for 2 - http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-extra-points/
"While advanced statistics tell us that over the long haul, teams will score more points, most coaches are too concerned about making it through the season with their jobs intact to strategize that far into the future." - https://theringer.com/nfl-two-point-...853#.p86l76fih
THe simplest version of the "analytics" argument - http://www.milehighreport.com/2015/5...int-conversion
Do I argue that anyone has to "like" aggressively going for two? Nope. It is kinda like all those years that Leyland used to pull a pitcher who was cruising along so that he could get the high percentage lefty-righty match-up. Just because the "math" says it is so doesn't mean you have to like it.
But we do need to have the discussion from the starting point that the "math" says Tomlin is correct.
Ah... okay. So, if that were the case, they move the ball back five yards. With BB throwing the ball on three of those four plays, it's not all that significant... and, not even the most egregious error made in this game (let alone across the NFL). IMO, the author is/was looking for any reason to vilify Tomlin.
I am/was all for going for going for the throat (TD). You have BB, AB, and Bell; if they can't score, then you deserve to lose anyway. Considering that the ghost of Ray Finkle was visiting NFL stadiums yesterday (12 missed PATs) only solidifies my willingness to go for the TD.
Yeah, I was fine with going for the TD. And of course there would have been people bitching if we went for the three, saying Tomlin lives in his fears.
At least ten more days of merciful silence...Why isn't there a "like" button on this forum?
Got to give Tomlin credit, he stuck it to the bad team on the road this week, on a short week no less
That post was addressed specifically to those who only show up after losses to piss and moan - that isn't you.
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Good overall performance. Nice to see rookies on the defense contributing which bodes well for the future. Two goal lines stands, too interceptions, some sacks. Even though they weren't playing against the strongest team, but that's always been an achilles heel for this team. Putting an overmatched team away is a good thing
He's got to do something about the D.C. The defensive strategy Butler is running is horrendous. At no point should Timmons be covering the #1 WR. At no point...
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Now you have to give credit to their OC to find and exploit the mismatch. Zone coverage will bring these kind of mismatches about.
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