FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!!

[smokin3000gt]

OMFG! Did you guys see Tomlin just fumble the ball?! He is going to lose this one for us for sure. This is what happens when Cowher's players are gone!

[86WARD]

No it's as simple as:

1 - The coaching staff putting the players in a position to succeed.
2 - The players then executing in a manner to (3) succeed.

When you can't complete step one because the coaching staff is too busy pounding their chest, you can't get to step two. If you get to step two and the players are too busy being full of themselves, you can't get to step 3.

[Mach1]

Why does Hailey insist on starting Blake week after week.

[stillers4me]

[steelreserve]

SUMMATION:
You have stated that even if Tomlin wins another Lombardi or two, you would never give him any credit for it. So, really, [/COLOR][COLOR=#333333]it doesn't matter what I type... your mind is already made up.

Let's talk about that when we actually win the Super Bowl. I swear, some people act like that's already a done deal.

If we do win another Super Bowl at this point, I will shut up about firing Tomlin. If you actually win a championship, you can live with just about anything else. I sure as hell hope he shuts me up.

[hawaiiansteeler]

we should be more like the Browns and FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!! also...

Browns fire Mike Pettine, Ray Farmer in latest shake-up

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...oach/78226444/

[zulater]

Let's talk about that when we actually win the Super Bowl. I swear, some people act like that's already a done deal.

If we do win another Super Bowl at this point, I will shut up about firing Tomlin. If you actually win a championship, you can live with just about anything else. I sure as hell hope he shuts me up.

Ahh you'll still claim it was with Cowher's qb, TE, OLB, and longsnapper.

[86WARD]

Longsnapper being the key to that equation...

[Hawkman]

Guess we have to wait another year :

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[teegre]

Let's talk about that when we actually win the Super Bowl. I swear, some people act like that's already a done deal.

If we do win another Super Bowl at this point, I will shut up about firing Tomlin. If you actually win a championship, you can live with just about anything else. I sure as hell hope he shuts me up.

Deal.

We'll reconvene this conversation at about 11:00 pm on February 7th.

[tube517]

Ahh you'll still claim it was with Cowher's qb, TE, OLB, and longsnapper.

Deebo counts as OLB and "backup" longsnapper for Cowher

[Psycho Ward 86]

Let's talk about that when we actually win the Super Bowl. I swear, some people act like that's already a done deal.

If we do win another Super Bowl at this point, I will shut up about firing Tomlin. If you actually win a championship, you can live with just about anything else. I sure as hell hope he shuts me up.

i feel the same way. kind of sums up how tom coughlin is still with the giants

[steelreserve]

Deal.

We'll reconvene this conversation at about 11:00 pm on February 7th.

I don't really see it as a deal, so much as if you win a championship, you'd better shut up and take the bad with the good. We win another one, Tomlin's around until the end of Ben's career and probably a couple years more, unless he prefers diagnostic medicine.

As for Feb. 7th, I sure hope so. Although if the question of Pittsburgh winning the Super Bowl is still unsettled as of Feb. 7 - then whatever the outcome of that game, the odds of me being coherent enough at the end of it to remember what was said a month ago, let alone resume a conversation about it, are just about nil.

Ahh you'll still claim it was with Cowher's qb, TE, OLB, and longsnapper.

Did that say TE when you originally posted it? Somewhere, Heath Miller is getting ready to piss all over your car ...

[Hawkman]

We could pick up Marty for the playoffs...if we get started now!!

[polamalubeast]

In Green Bay, they also want Mike McCarthy be fired!

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB...er=asc&start=0

[tube517]

In Green Bay, they also want Mike McCarthy be fired!

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB...er=asc&start=0

[Mojouw]

Let me make sure I have this correct. Anything less than a SB victory is unacceptable? By that standard there should be 31 or so coaching vacancies every year.

[polamalubeast]

Let me make sure I have this correct. Anything less than a SB victory is unacceptable? By that standard there should be 31 or so coaching vacancies every year.

I'm not in the mindset Super Bowl or bust, but if the steelers not win a playoff game this year, this season will be a disappointment.

[Drazo85]

If we the fans are making decisions Steelers would be worse than Browns.

[Hawkman]

If we the fans are making decisions Steelers would be worse than Browns.

Too true!

[lipps83]

Ahh you'll still claim it was with Cowher's qb, TE, OLB, and longsnapper.

Could you really count Harrison as Cowher's though? Cowher cut him twice and he didn't start until Tomlin was coach.

All Harrison did for Cowher was save him from the lunatic Stain's fan, and Cowher's thanks to him was another two years on the bench.

I would put Harrison as a Tomlin player.

[steelreserve]

Let me make sure I have this correct. Anything less than a SB victory is unacceptable? By that standard there should be 31 or so coaching vacancies every year.

I mean, that's what the Tomlin supporters demand as a replacement, or else -- PFFFFT! Hell, even the Super Bowl winning coaches they thumb their noses at. Carroll? lol, wrong personality. Payton? lmao, look at the Saints now. Harbaugh? whiny. Coughlin? washed up. Belichick? never happen. McCarthy? nothing special. Cowher? don't even start. Gruden? never coming back, and too much of a dick.

Well, ok - there's every Super Bowl winning coach since 2000, and every active or potentially active one period; none of them are good enough. If anything, the standard of the pro-Tomlin crowd is way more ridiculous than the one his detractors hold him to.

Could you really count Harrison as Cowher's though? Cowher cut him twice and he didn't start until Tomlin was coach.

All Harrison did for Cowher was save him from the lunatic Stain's fan, and Cowher's thanks to him was another two years on the bench.

I would put Harrison as a Tomlin player.

They knew Harrison was good back then. The coaching staff and the players all talked about it. He was just stuck behind Joey Porter. And one of the reasons we let Porter walk.

[Mojouw]

I mean, that's what the Tomlin supporters demand as a replacement, or else -- PFFFFT! Hell, even the Super Bowl winning coaches they thumb their noses at. Carroll? lol, wrong personality. Payton? lmao, look at the Saints now. Harbaugh? whiny. Coughlin? washed up. Belichick? never happen. McCarthy? nothing special. Cowher? don't even start. Gruden? never coming back, and too much of a dick.

Well, ok - there's every Super Bowl winning coach since 2000, and every active or potentially active one period; none of them are good enough. If anything, the standard of the pro-Tomlin crowd is way more ridiculous than the one his detractors hold him to.

I wouldn't say that is true. It is more a reflection that the Tomlin bashers have a standard that NO coach in the NFL currently meets. I still don't have a clear statement of what Tomlin detractors are actually hoping for. Every discussion is met with vague replies about "arrogance" or "bs statements" or "not having his team ready to play" etc etc etc. But no actual tangible definable criteria for evaluation. It seems that the goalposts are constantly moved to ensure they are never reached or that their is simply, by some, an irrational need to hold the Steelers to an unattainable standard.

As for me, I have repeatedly said that I would seriously consider the swapping of Tomlin for Carrol or Belicheck and that I consider the remaining NFL Harbaugh a toss-up with Tomlin. I have never argued that none of the remaining above mentioned coaches are not good enough, but rather they are not demonstrably significantly better than Tomlin. If I have left the impression otherwise, then I have clearly over-stated things in an attempt to make a point.

Bottom line, I do not think that coaching is what is preventing the Pittsburgh Steelers from making more room in their trophy case.

[steelreserve]

I wouldn't say that is true. It is more a reflection that the Tomlin bashers have a standard that NO coach in the NFL currently meets. I still don't have a clear statement of what Tomlin detractors are actually hoping for. Every discussion is met with vague replies about "arrogance" or "bs statements" or "not having his team ready to play" etc etc etc. But no actual tangible definable criteria for evaluation. It seems that the goalposts are constantly moved to ensure they are never reached or that their is simply, by some, an irrational need to hold the Steelers to an unattainable standard.

As for me, I have repeatedly said that I would seriously consider the swapping of Tomlin for Carrol or Belicheck and that I consider the remaining NFL Harbaugh a toss-up with Tomlin. I have never argued that none of the remaining above mentioned coaches are not good enough, but rather they are not demonstrably significantly better than Tomlin. If I have left the impression otherwise, then I have clearly over-stated things in an attempt to make a point.

Bottom line, I do not think that coaching is what is preventing the Pittsburgh Steelers from making more room in their trophy case.

Well, we'll see how it turns out, if not this season then in the next two or three. If we win another championship doing it "Tomlin's way," then there really is not a lot to complain about; no matter how inane it seemed, whatever we were doing worked.

On the flip side, if we don't win at least one more title while Ben can still play, it would be an utter travesty and a huge wasted opportunity. I am somewhat concerned about that, but the direction this team takes this offseason will be the real test. It is all laid out for us - exactly what we need to do to in order to be the team to beat for the next few years - and it is not complicated, and not a stretch.

My concerns about Tomlin have been mostly about poor player development, and the seeming trend of taking ideas that don't work and continuing to bash away with them - that could be in terms of personnel, schemes, draft tendencies, all of the above. If that continues, we have a chance to blow this golden opportunity. If he makes the right moves, then it all flips around. Hopefully he proves the doubters wrong. Right now is not the time to dig into the nuts-and-bolts, just hope they can do exactly that.

[zulater]

Could you really count Harrison as Cowher's though? Cowher cut him twice and he didn't start until Tomlin was coach.

All Harrison did for Cowher was save him from the lunatic Stain's fan, and Cowher's thanks to him was another two years on the bench.

I would put Harrison as a Tomlin player.

Harrison would count himself as a "LeBeau"player if you asked him. I'm not sure he's overly fond of either Cowher or Tomlin truth be told.

[Hawkman]

We went 25 years without winning a Super Bowl, with only one appearance. The Steelers have won six Lombardi's with two QBs and three coaches. Tough to win it all in the NFL. Pats have four with one coach and one QB. Where do you think they will end up when one of them leaves. So many people here are NOW NOW NOW!!!! I like to look at the long term. As much as my blood pressure hates it, I love cheering for a team that is in it almost every week. That starts from the top. Rooneys, GM, Head Coach, Coordinators, Players. Best line I've heard from a player about Tomlin recently, was from Boykin saying that "he treats us like men". Guess he didn't get that from Kelly......Be nice when this thread moves to the bottom of the board.

[smokin3000gt]

We went 25 years without winning a Super Bowl, with only one appearance. The Steelers have won six Lombardi's with two QBs and three coaches. Tough to win it all in the NFL. Pats have four with one coach and one QB. Where do you think they will end up when one of them leaves. So many people here are NOW NOW NOW!!!! I like to look at the long term. As much as my blood pressure hates it, I love cheering for a team that is in it almost every week. That starts from the top. Rooneys, GM, Head Coach, Coordinators, Players. Best line I've heard from a player about Tomlin recently, was from Boykin saying that "he treats us like men". Guess he didn't get that from Kelly......Be nice when this thread moves to the bottom of the board.

I don't ever see that happening unless we went 19-0. Even then that would only last up until our first loss. Anything short of a SB win and you can expect this thread to be on fire. You would think by reading through this thread that this team is 3-13 year in and year out.

Lets say we did get a better coach in here than Tomlin, it will take at least a couple years of him being here to make any kind of noticeable difference . By the time his coaches and personnel are in place Big Ben would be at the end of his career so it would all be moot anyways. I think our best option at this point is to stay the course.

[86WARD]

Let me make sure I have this correct. Anything less than a SB victory is unacceptable? By that standard there should be 31 or so coaching vacancies every year.

How about win a playoff game or two instead of bailing out in round one to a less superior team?

[Mojouw]

How about win a playoff game or two instead of bailing out in round one to a less superior team?

That'll work as a standard. I think that 9-7 and better and a playoff win each season that Ben is the QB and the team stays healthy enough at key positions is a reasonable expectation. I do take issue with the "less superior" team portion. Tebow led Broncos? Sure. Ravens last year - a push at worst. Whether it is the noodle armed Ginger or the random dude with the hot wife leading the Bengals this year, I think they are a push as well - if not the better team (on paper) because of their defense.

[86WARD]

That'll work as a standard. I think that 9-7 and better and a playoff win each season that Ben is the QB and the team stays healthy enough at key positions is a reasonable expectation. I do take issue with the "less superior" team portion. Tebow led Broncos? Sure. Ravens last year - a push at worst. Whether it is the noodle armed Ginger or the random dude with the hot wife leading the Bengals this year, I think they are a push as well - if not the better team (on paper) because of their defense.

In my opinion the Steelers were better than the Ravens on paper and they are better than the Bengals this season mainly because the QB situation.