FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!!

[fansince'76]

Just have to look at the roster than Rivera has inherited in 2011.It was a 2-14 team in 2010,now they are a real contender.

Heard that in 2013 when they went 12-4 only to go one and done in the postseason and then follow it up with a 7-8-1 campaign in 2014...

And I've heard many denigrate Tomlin for last year's 11-5 record against a "cupcake schedule." Please take a gander at the teams Carolina has been playing all season if you want to see a cupcake schedule.

[polamalubeast]

Heard that in 2013 when they went 12-4 only to go one and done in the postseason and then follow it up with a 7-8-1 campaign in 2014...

In 2013, the 49ers were better than the Panthers.I will never blame a coach if his team lost against a better team unless the coach takes a horrible decision during the game.

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And I've heard many denigrate Tomlin for last year's 11-5 record against a "cupcake schedule." Please take a gander at the teams Carolina has been playing all season if you want to see a cupcake schedule.

14-1 is an achievement, even if your schedule is easy.Just look at the schedule of the 1999 rams or the 1972 dolphins.....they have not won against a playoff team during the season.

[tube517]

In 2013, the 49ers were better than the Panthers.I will never blame a coach if his team lost against a better team unless the coach takes a horrible decision during the game.

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14-1 is an achievement, even if your schedule is easy.Just look at the schedule of the 1999 rams or the 1972 dolphins.....they have not won against a playoff team during the season.

It's nice but ask the 2004 Steelers, the 2011 Packers (1 and done in the playoffs), the 1998 Vikings what a 15-1 record meant.

[polamalubeast]

It's nice but ask the 2004 Steelers, the 2011 Packers (1 and done in the playoffs), the 1998 Vikings what a 15-1 record meant.

The 2004 season of the steelers is one of the most enjoyable seasons I've seen.I'm not in the mindset Super Bowl or bust, since winning a SB is very hard but finish the season 15-1 is also very hard.

But missed the playoffs with a good team is very painful.

[teegre]

Once again someone makes a post acting like this is the first time a Tomlin-coached team lost to a lesser team. Off the top of my head I can think of at least 15 games the Steelers under Tomlin lost that they shouldn't have, and most of them you can't blame on poor QB play.

Here is a list of the playoff-caliber teams, and their records against teams who have losing records this season:


9-0 - Carolina Panthers
8-0 - Cincinnati Bengals
9-1 - Arizona Cardinals
8-1 - Minnesota Vikings
8-1 - New England Taperiots
7-1 - Kansas City Chiefs
7-2 - Green Bay Packers
7-2 - Seattle Seahawks
6-2 - Denver Broncos
6-2 - Pittsburgh Steelers
8-3 - New York Jets
8-3 - Washington Redskins
6-3 - Houston Texans
5-5 - Atlanta Falcons
3-4 - Indianapolis Colts

Both of Pittsburgh's losses to "losers" were against Baltimore... who is their rival. That fact can't be ignored. Even if the second game should have been a gimme, Vick started the first game.

[NCSteeler]

fire Tomlin is always ridiculous after a loss , that is cliche as he is ....

but how many times can people go to bat for a guy who simply does not learn from his mistakes ?

If he where a QB he would have been benched years ago and out of the league by now ...

remember the standard is the standard and quite frankly Mike Tomlin is not living up to it ...

he has been defended how many times here now over the years ? its been called ridiculous how many times now , but yet it keeps rearing the same ugly head ....

if you do not learn from mistakes you repeat them over and over and over ....

Einsteins example of insanity is simple ..... if you keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results ....

Thats is exactly what is happening with Mike Tomlin , that is the exact same thing that is happening here .....

shall we recap a bit ...

we have not won a playoff game since 2011 and in the last 5 years just 2 playoff appearances and where 1 and done in both as a wild card ...

have lost 8 of the last 11 games vs number 1 rival the Ravens

have lost 7 games out of the last 11 to teams below .500

on pace to miss the playoffs again this year when all he had to do was lead his team to two victories vs 2 teams with a combined 7 wins

Piss poor clock management every time it matters , arrogance that is beyond every coach in the league not named bellicheat , bad in game decisions ( see yesterdays no FG attempt ) in a rivalry that almost always comes down to 3 points or less and points are of a premium ... Starting players who have ni business in the league over guys who have proven to be superior players because well for no other reason than he tries hard ...


but hey if mediocrity is all you strive for have at it ... he is all yours and lucky for you he won't be going anywhere because thats not how they do business in Pittsburgh ...

But excuse the rest of us for wanting to actually improve and are not satisfied with mediocrity .

it seems like an eternity since Chris Hoke and Aaron Smith where on this roster and guess what thats exactly how long it has been since we won a playoff game

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[Hawkman]

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[Hawkman]

Ben can't play in that stadium....I have no idea why...but look at his history, he made the call on the field to go for it on 4th...I liked the call at the time, he could have jumped over DD and made it, but called that slow developing running play.

Clock management!! Blaming that on Tomlin....not!!! Ben was in "no huddle" and had to call "time out" twice and had a delay penalty once......in a hurry up offense. At one point Ben looked to Heath to call the protection.

This one is ALL on Ben and the Offense..... So stop with the f@&king Fire Tomlin.....ain't going to happen.....and who should replace him...Cowher....... He sucked at Ravens stadium too.

[zoneblitzerII]

Time for a culture change. The annual losing to basement dwellers has to stop.

[teegre]

Time for a culture change. The annual losing to basement dwellers has to stop.

Once again...

Pittsburgh is 6-2 against teams who have losing records this season, which is on par with the rest of the league (see: post #485).

Both of those losses to "losers" were against Baltimore... who is their rival. That fact can't be ignored. Even if the second game should have been a gimme, Vick started the first game.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Time for a culture change. The annual losing to basement dwellers has to stop.

[zoneblitzerII]

Once again...

Pittsburgh is 6-2 against teams who have losing records this season, which is on par with the rest of the league (see: post #485).

Both of those losses to "losers" were against Baltimore... who is their rival. That fact can't be ignored. Even if the second game should have been a gimme, Vick started the first game.

They play down to their competition and you know that. Everyone who has watched this team the last few seasons knows that. That is who they are.

[plenewken]

They play down to their competition and you know that. Everyone who has watched this team the last few seasons knows that. That is who they are.

True and they are also Baltimore's bitch, which is unacceptable.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Gerry Dulac@gerrydulac -

If Steelers miss postseason, it will be first time since Chuck Noll became coach in 1969 they have gone 5 years without playoff win.

https://mobile.twitter.com/gerrydula...89858117611520

[tube517]

[fansince'76]

To anyone who's interested, knock yourself out:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/fire-mike-tomlin/

[tube517]

To anyone who's interested, knock yourself out:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/fire-mike-tomlin/

To continue to play to bad competition and to consulting wizards from Hogwarts to make up weekly game plans.... Fired

Todd Haley Potter?

[zoneblitzerII]

True and they are also Baltimore's bitch, which is unacceptable.

Add to that their bitch even when they field a team with 19 players on IR and a QB who came off the couch to play.

[fansince'76]

Hold on...

wait for it...

"Bu-bu-but, Big Ben!" (Never minding it was largely Mr. "I-don't-need-no-stinkin'-QB" Cowher's own fault that he didn't have a franchise QB at his disposal...)

[B&GFever]

40% of the Ravens wins in 2015have been vs Mike Tomlins Steelers

[lipps83]

He must be including 8-8 teams. Below .500 results are different. Below .500 Tomlin has 20 losses, Cowher 19. I don't vouch for the accuracy, this was a bitch to put together but it should be fairly accurate. This was put together based on final standings.

11 of Cowher's losses were to division rivals. 6 of Tomlin's losses were to division rivals.

For non-division, Cowher performed poorly against the Seahawks with two losses. Tomlin performed poorly against the Raiders with three losses. Division rivals in bold.

Tomlin.

2007. 3 teams. Broncos (7-9). Jets (4-12). Ravens (5-11).
2008. None.
2009. 4 teams. Bears (7-9). Chiefs (4-12). Raiders (5-11). Browns (5-11).
2010. None.
2011. None.
2012. 4 teams. Raiders (4-12). Titans (6-10). Browns (5-11). Chargers (7-9).
2013. 3 teams. Titans (7-9). Vikings (5-10-1). Raiders (4-12).
2014. 4 teams. Buccaneers (2-14). Browns (7-9). Jets (4-12). Saints (7-9).
2015. 1 team. Ravens x2 (6-10 at best).

7-9 = 6
6-10 = 3 (including Ravens)
5-11 = 5 (including Vikings with tie)
4-12 = 5
3-13 = 0
2-14 = 1

Cowher

1992. 2 teams. Browns (7-9). Bears (5-11).
1993. 3 teams. Rams (5-11). Browns (7-9). Seahawks (6-10).
1994. 1 team. Seahawks (6.10).
1995. 2 teams. Jaguars (4-12). Bengals (7-9).
1996. 1 team. Ravens (4-12).
1997. 2 teams. Cowboys (6-10). Eagles (6-9-1).
1998. 2 teams. Bengals x2 (3-13). Lions (5-11).
1999. 2 teams. Browns (2-14). Bengals (4-12).
2000. 2 teams. Browns (3-13). Jaguars (7-9).

7-9 = 4
6-10 = 4 (including Eagles with tie)
5-11 = 3
4-12 = 3
3-13 = 3
2-14 = 1

[steelreserve]

Tomlin.

2007. 3 teams. Broncos (7-9). Jets (4-12). Ravens (5-11).
2008. None.
2009. 4 teams. Bears (7-9). Chiefs (4-12). Raiders (5-11). Browns (5-11).
2010. None.
2011. None.
2012. 4 teams. Raiders (4-12). Titans (6-10). Browns (5-11). Chargers (7-9).
2013. 3 teams. Titans (7-9). Vikings (5-10-1). Raiders (4-12).
2014. 4 teams. Buccaneers (2-14). Browns (7-9). Jets (4-12). Saints (7-9).
2015. 1 team. Ravens x2 (6-10 at best).

Cowher
1992. 2 teams. Browns (7-9). Bears (5-11).
1993. 3 teams. Rams (5-11). Browns (7-9). Seahawks (6-10).
1994. 1 team. Seahawks (6.10).
1995. 2 teams. Jaguars (4-12). Bengals (7-9).
1996. 1 team. Ravens (4-12).
1997. 2 teams. Cowboys (6-10). Eagles (6-9-1).
1998. 2 teams. Bengals x2 (3-13). Lions (5-11).
1999. 2 teams. Browns (2-14). Bengals (4-12).
2000. 2 teams. Browns (3-13). Jaguars (7-9).

It should be noted that about a third of the losses under Cowher came when we kind of sucked anyway (1998-2000). I don't know if that's really an argument in favor of Cowher because you shouldn't suck ... but you also can't say we "choked" in those games since we weren't exactly championship material ourselves.

The one pattern that really stands out to me as worrisome is that IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, we've lost a fuck of a lot more games to bad teams - 13 of them. That's almost a whole season's worth of losses in 4 years. So if it seems like we choke a lot against bad teams, the reason is that yes, in fact, nearly one out of every four games we've played during that period is exactly that: a loss to a bad team. And a lot of them were season-killers, too.

Except for Cowher's last season when he was mailing it in, there was none of this bullshit where you have a good team and still miss the playoffs. When we missed the playoffs back then, it was for a good reason, which was usually that Kordell Stewart sucked.

[polamalubeast]

I compare Tomlin to Dan Bylsma, former coach of penguins in NHL.

At least when Bylsma was with the penguins, the penguins were always in the top of the standing in the regular season....

[hawaiiansteeler]

I knew Cowher had less losses against poor teams...

[B&GFever]

He must be including 8-8 teams. Below .500 results are different. Below .500 Tomlin has 20 losses, Cowher 19. I don't vouch for the accuracy, this was a bitch to put together but it should be fairly accurate. This was put together based on final standings.

11 of Cowher's losses were to division rivals. 6 of Tomlin's losses were to division rivals.

For non-division, Cowher performed poorly against the Seahawks with two losses. Tomlin performed poorly against the Raiders with three losses. Division rivals in bold.

Tomlin.

2007. 3 teams. Broncos (7-9). Jets (4-12). Ravens (5-11).
2008. None.
2009. 4 teams. Bears (7-9). Chiefs (4-12). Raiders (5-11). Browns (5-11).
2010. None.
2011. None.
2012. 4 teams. Raiders (4-12). Titans (6-10). Browns (5-11). Chargers (7-9).
2013. 3 teams. Titans (7-9). Vikings (5-10-1). Raiders (4-12).
2014. 4 teams. Buccaneers (2-14). Browns (7-9). Jets (4-12). Saints (7-9).
2015. 1 team. Ravens x2 (6-10 at best).

7-9 = 6
6-10 = 3 (including Ravens)
5-11 = 5 (including Vikings with tie)
4-12 = 5
3-13 = 0
2-14 = 1

Cowher

1992. 2 teams. Browns (7-9). Bears (5-11).
1993. 3 teams. Rams (5-11). Browns (7-9). Seahawks (6-10).
1994. 1 team. Seahawks (6.10).
1995. 2 teams. Jaguars (4-12). Bengals (7-9).
1996. 1 team. Ravens (4-12).
1997. 2 teams. Cowboys (6-10). Eagles (6-9-1).
1998. 2 teams. Bengals x2 (3-13). Lions (5-11).
1999. 2 teams. Browns (2-14). Bengals (4-12).
2000. 2 teams. Browns (3-13). Jaguars (7-9).

7-9 = 4
6-10 = 4 (including Eagles with tie)
5-11 = 3
4-12 = 3
3-13 = 3
2-14 = 1

I wouldnt count the loss to the Lions in 1998 ( Thanksgiving game ) we got screwed royally that was the coin flip game where the ref claimed Bettis called one way when clear audio says another .... rules where different then too first team to score wins ... we never seen the ball

[ALLD]

Chin was not always stacked on one or both sides of the ball either. He came in to a bad team and built a winner while Shades picked up a recent Super Bowl winner to grind it down and hollow it out.

[NCSteeler]

Losing to the Ravens in their worst season in their existence is just flat embarrassing losing to them twice is un freaking believable

[st33lersguy]

If we are going to talk about Cowher it should be noted that 8 of Cowher's 15 seasons included at least one playoff win. Tomlin has only had 2 seasons with at least one playoff win in 9 seasons. Also Cowher is one of only 2 head coaches in NFL history to lead a team to the playoffs in his first 6 seasons in NFL history (Paul Brown is the other). Tomlin cannot even string together 3 consecutive playoff seasons

[fansince'76]

I compare Tomlin to Dan Bylsma, former coach of penguins in NHL.

At least when Bylsma was with the penguins, the penguins were always in the top of the standing in the regular season....

Yep, and the Pens pulled the trigger and changed coaches and look where they're at now...

[fansince'76]

I wouldnt count the loss to the Lions in 1998 ( Thanksgiving game ) we got screwed royally that was the coin flip game where the ref claimed Bettis called one way when clear audio says another

If we're going to start splitting hairs, one could kinda say the same thing about AB's "non-TD" catch Sunday. Looked like he caught it to me. I've seen other WRs awarded TDs for far worse "bobbles" than the one AB had...