FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!!

[Steel Peon]

Would you let him continue making personnel decisions?

I'd say draft picks might be his weakest trait as a coach, so maybe someone could tutor him a bit? And don't start on the whole Blake thing, because he barely had any effect on the game today, and we don't have that many options at CB anyways. Maybe drafting some CBs in earlier rounds a few years ago might've helped?

[teegre]

I'd say draft picks might be his weakest trait as a coach, so maybe someone could tutor him a bit? And don't start on the whole Blake thing, because he barely had any effect on the game today, and we don't have that many options at CB anyways. Maybe drafting some CBs in earlier rounds a few years ago might've helped?

I like Bud Dupree, but oh how I wish Marcus Peters had dropped a little bit farther.

[hawaiiansteeler]

I like Bud Dupree, but oh how I wish Marcus Peters had dropped a little bit farther.

no kidding, I think Peters has something like 8 interceptions already in this his rookie season...

[zulater]

Oh, this again.

A better question is, what has Tomlin done above and beyond what you'd expect from any random NFL coach? Nothing. He hasn't let everything come completely unglued and go 4-12, good for him. But he had the HUGE advantage of having one of the best QBs in the league, which you can't say for 95% of the other coaches that have come and gone during his tenure.

Put Tomlin in charge of some team like the Bills or the Buccaneers, and he'd get you your 4-12 record, maybe be one-and-done, and then this whole conversation is stupid. Take any halfway decent coach who isn't in way over his head at the NFL level - say, Tom Coughlin or Jeff Fisher - put him on the Steelers circa 2006, and I'd bet you $100 you'd get the exact same result as Tomlin if not better.

What have I seen from Tomlin? A lot of bluster, a lot of the team being unprepared, almost zero player development except for a few special cases - and some really obvious deficiencies in how the team is put together, which appear to stem not from bad luck or the regular ups and downs of the draft, but from stubbornness and/or just not getting how certain things work.

"You can't use the argument that it's Cowher's players anymore!" Well, what has he done now that it's all his own players? Consistently play .500 ball with an elite QB and a team that everyone thinks is more talented than its record shows. A good coach would have us wrapping up a playoff spot around Thanksgiving and we'd be debating whether resting your starters too much is the right move or not. Great coaches take players like we have and do things like invent new offensive schemes around them. What are we doing? Mucking around in pigshit and struggling to make the playoffs one year out of four. One of the best 6 or 7 coaches in the league - get the fuck out of here.

Name 5 better. Then go to those teams mb's and tell their fans how wonderful their coach is compared to Tomlin and wait for your reply's.

[ALLD]

I say the Rooney's wait for Ben to retire before they make a move, not that it isn't justified now. Lose to Cleveland next week and Tomlin needs to "retire".

[lipps83]

The Packers are losing 31-0. But that never happens with future HOF quarterbacks and good coaches.

To the 13-2 Cardinals.

Come back here when they are losing, coming from behind the 4-10 Ravens. How deep do you have to look on the Packers historical schedule to see them consistently losing to inferior teams? Probably quite a few seasons.

Big difference losing big to one of the top 2 teams in the conference than being swept by a 4-10 Ravens team with a street free agent playing QB.

[Shoes]

Steel Dad ‏@SteelDad 2h2 hours ago
When you lose 7 of 11 to under .500 teams and 8 of last 11 to BAL that my friends is a pattern and not a good one. #Steelers
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[86WARD]

Oh, this again.

A better question is, what has Tomlin done above and beyond what you'd expect from any random NFL coach? Nothing. He hasn't let everything come completely unglued and go 4-12, good for him. But he had the HUGE advantage of having one of the best QBs in the league, which you can't say for 95% of the other coaches that have come and gone during his tenure.

Put Tomlin in charge of some team like the Bills or the Buccaneers, and he'd get you your 4-12 record, maybe be one-and-done, and then this whole conversation is stupid. Take any halfway decent coach who isn't in way over his head at the NFL level - say, Tom Coughlin or Jeff Fisher - put him on the Steelers circa 2006, and I'd bet you $100 you'd get the exact same result as Tomlin if not better.

What have I seen from Tomlin? A lot of bluster, a lot of the team being unprepared, almost zero player development except for a few special cases - and some really obvious deficiencies in how the team is put together, which appear to stem not from bad luck or the regular ups and downs of the draft, but from stubbornness and/or just not getting how certain things work.

"You can't use the argument that it's Cowher's players anymore!" Well, what has he done now that it's all his own players? Consistently play .500 ball with an elite QB and a team that everyone thinks is more talented than its record shows. A good coach would have us wrapping up a playoff spot around Thanksgiving and we'd be debating whether resting your starters too much is the right move or not. Great coaches take players like we have and do things like invent new offensive schemes around them. What are we doing? Mucking around in pigshit and struggling to make the playoffs one year out of four. One of the best 6 or 7 coaches in the league - get the fuck out of here.

Lol...

[86WARD]

Name 5 better. Then go to those teams mb's and tell their fans how wonderful their coach is compared to Tomlin and wait for your reply's.

You should go back and dig up that garbage thread too...lol. This thread is about as lame as a Blame Ben thread or maybe a trade Ben and sign Mark Sanchez thread. Why not just let people vent how ever they see fit?? Lol.

[st33lersguy]

The Packers are losing 31-0. But that never happens with future HOF quarterbacks and good coaches.

The Packers are in the playoffs, the Steelers are not so

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Tomlin is a waste of Ben's prime

[steelreserve]

Name 5 better. Then go to those teams mb's and tell their fans how wonderful their coach is compared to Tomlin and wait for your reply's.

I think in that other thread I came up with 11 or 12 that I would've considered better or at least equal. In reality there are probably dozens and dozens who would do at least the same job if you account for current coordinators, college coaches, etc. who haven't had an NFL head coaching job yet.

No, Tomlin's not the worst coach ever, but he's pretty much proven to me that he's just average and that's all he's ever going to be. I'd prefer a coach that's better than just average.

[fansince'76]

To the 13-2 Cardinals.

That the Steelers beat by double digits earlier in the year with a 4th string QB...

[Terrapinstation]

Whoever came up with the game plan should be immediately fired. Our offense has been on absolute fire for weeks. We've been on fire because we come out throwing and throwing, spreading the field, and playing up tempo. Baltimore has the worst pass defense in the league. So what is our game plan? Run, run, run.

So what if Deangelo was getting huge yardage? We played Baltimore's game by running so much. We slowed the game down and played right into their hands. Ben and the WRs never got into rhythm.

Defensively, Baltimore has a QB that was at home playing with himself until 2 weeks ago. They have zero WRs that can stretch the field. What's our plan? We've been recently successful (somewhat) by playing press and bringing tons of pressure. for some reason today, we give them 12yd cushions.

Yes, coaches this stupid should be fired. Sorry. Tomlin sucks.

[86WARD]

Whoever came up with the game plan should be immediately fired. Our offense has been on absolute fire for weeks. We've been on fire because we come out throwing and throwing, spreading the field, and playing up tempo. Baltimore has the worst pass defense in the league. So what is our game plan? Run, run, run.

So what if Deangelo was getting huge yardage? We played Baltimore's game by running so much. We slowed the game down and played right into their hands. Ben and the WRs never got into rhythm.

Defensively, Baltimore has a QB that was at home playing with himself until 2 weeks ago. They have zero WRs that can stretch the field. What's our plan? We've been recently successful (somewhat) by playing press and bringing tons of pressure. for some reason today, we give them 12yd cushions.

Yes, coaches this stupid should be fired. Sorry. Tomlin sucks.

Harbaugh came up with that game plan and it worked perfectly for he and the Ravens.

[86WARD]

Maybe Tomlin should start handing out stickers for the boys' lockers. Works for the Ravens...lol.

[NCSteeler]

To the 13-2 Cardinals.

Come back here when they are losing, coming from behind the 4-10 Ravens. How deep do you have to look on the Packers historical schedule to see them consistently losing to inferior teams? Probably quite a few seasons.

Big difference losing big to one of the top 2 teams in the conference than being swept by a 4-10 Ravens team with a street free agent playing QB.

I have to agree here, every lose is not equal. Losing consistently to bad teams is a big problem for tomlin, I thought he fixed it the year but no still the same under prepared team


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[NCSteeler]

Jar itch hot his random losers ready yo beat the offensive powerhouse that the Steelers are proclaimed to be


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[B&GFever]

funny how this place loves Tomlin so much ....

tell me what other team with a Franchise QB , the leagues best WR , one of the leagues best deep threat WR's , a premier running game , a solid O-line ....

and fails to make the playoffs 3 of the last 5 years and is one and done the two years they do make it ....

[Hawkman]

Wow guys....if you need to kill yourselves........don't do it. I just drove 200 miles back home. I'm still thinking that the forth and one on the first series was a good call. We have just played two huge games and won, and these guys had nothing left but to kick our ass, they did not...but they won...I am as mad as any one...and Boykin is not the second coming

[fansince'76]

funny how this place loves Tomlin so much ....

tell me what other team with a Franchise QB , the leagues best WR , one of the leagues best deep threat WR's , a premier running game , a solid O-line ....

and fails to make the playoffs 3 of the last 5 years and is one and done the two years they do make it ....

Still waiting on that dynasty to materialize in Green Bay since they beat us in the SB five years ago. Just sayin'...

[Shoes]

Wow guys....if you need to kill yourselves........don't do it. I just drove 200 miles back home. I'm still thinking that the forth and one on the first series was a good call. We have just played two huge games and won, and these guys had nothing left but to kick our ass, they did not...but they won...I am as mad as any one...and Boykin is not the second coming

I disagree with the call, your playing the Ravens where every point counts, even more so since Tomlin has lost 8 of the last 11 to the rats.


No one said Boykin was, rather he better than Blake, don't you agree? Yet Tomlin will start Blake next week.

[B&GFever]

Still waiting on that dynasty to materialize in Green Bay since they beat us in the SB five years ago. Just sayin'...

I could care less what other franchises do , I want the one I follow to win !

speaking of that SB 5 years ago .... that afc championship game we won to get there was the last playoff game we won

[Hawkman]

No one said he was, rather he better than Blake, don't you agree? Yet Tomlin will start Blake next week.

I am not a Blake fan, but Boykin played a whole worse today.... Want the pictures. Everyone got their wish today..

[fansince'76]

I could care less what other franchises do

Well, you asked what other team with a franchise QB, top-flight receivers and a strong running game has fairly consistently underachieved in relation to their respective talent level. The mighty Pack has gone 2-4 in the playoffs since that game themselves and the only reason they got one of those wins was due to officiating incompetence.

[Shoes]

I am not a Blake fan, but Boykin played a whole worse today.... Want the pictures. Everyone got their wish today..

Did you also take picture of the 4-5 one arm misses of Blake today?.....Like 16 games worth, like leading the entire team in missed tackles. This game sure as hell wasn't lost because of Boykin.

[Hawkman]

I'm out

[Shoes]

I'm out

You seem to be the only one who thought Boykin had a bad game. No one here thought that.

Brandon Boykin: Thought Boykin had a nice game. Breakup on the goal line when covering Maxx Williams and he worked over a running back for a sack of Ryan Mallet. Boykin got the start in nickel and hopefully continues that role for the rest of the year.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2015/12...nnerslosers-2/

[B&GFever]

Well, you asked what other team with a franchise QB, top-flight receivers and a strong running game has fairly consistently underachieved in relation to their respective talent level. The mighty Pack has gone 2-4 in the playoffs since that game themselves and the only reason they got one of those wins was due to officiating incompetence.

well technically GB best WR has been out since the beginning of the year with an ACL , they haven't had a good running game most of the year and the O-Line has not be very good either ...

and that is 2 wins more than we have managed in the playoffs .....


one could say we have been without Bell but truth be told we have not missed a beat with D-Will in his place , sure Ben was down but we have managed many of these losses to bad teams with him playing so that excuse doesnt quite fly either ... so there is that

[steelreserve]

Second-half defense was not bad; 7 points allowed. They looked better, too. The story there is that we just could not move the ball and Ben making stupid throws.

What it looks like to me is: Blake on the field - whichever of Boykin, Cockrell, Gay and Allen are in all play worse. Blake not on the field - they play regular defense.

I noticed that in the first half today, Cockrell was the odd man out on most of the downs. Blake was there with his 10-yard cushion PLUS immediate backpedaling.

For once, defense didn't blatantly cost us the game or almost cost us the game ... still, can't help but think we could've done better against Ryan Mallet and his bunch of no-names.

[GoSlash27]

Jar itch hot his random losers ready yo beat the offensive powerhouse that the Steelers are proclaimed to be


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Thanks,
-Slashy