FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!!

[Cyphon25]

Was that the one where the kicker forgot to bounce it off the ground, so it got ruled a fair catch or something? Walked in from working in the garage right when that call was getting explained. Hopefully can see it again tonight.

Refs initially thought it bounced off the ground so they call an illegal fair catch on the Rams which would have resulted in a re-kick. After talking it over they realized it was kicked into the air and not off of the ground so the fair catch was legit and Rams won.

No real controversy there. They got it right.

[Mojouw]

Refs initially thought it bounced off the ground so they call an illegal fair catch on the Rams which would have resulted in a re-kick. After talking it over they realized it was kicked into the air and not off of the ground so the fair catch was legit and Rams won.

No real controversy there. They got it right.

Thanks! I guess all I have left to ask, is where the players prepared? So I guess Carroll failed to prepare his kicker to do his job?

[Cyphon25]

Thanks! I guess all I have left to ask, is where the players prepared? So I guess Carroll failed to prepare his kicker to do his job?

I know the Rams didn't seem caught off guard. The guy who recovered really attacked the ball and got to it quick. No chance for the Hawks.

[SteelerFanInStl]

Was that the one where the kicker forgot to bounce it off the ground, so it got ruled a fair catch or something? Walked in from working in the garage right when that call was getting explained. Hopefully can see it again tonight.

Yes, the officials initially called a penalty for an invalid fair catch against the Rams. Then they got together to discuss it and said no penalty because the ball wasn't kicked off of the turf, which was correct.

What I'd like to know is why there wasn't a penalty called on the Seahawks for piling on the Rams player who caught the ball and had signaled for a fair catch. You're not allowed to hit a player who has signalled for a fair catch but they had at least 3 guys hit him.

[ALLD]

Bring back Cowher, he was a better coach.

[polamalubeast]

Bring back Cowher, he was a better coach.

and Bring back Dick Lebeau too!!!!!!

[hawaiiansteeler]

Bring back Cowher, he was a better coach.

yeah, if only Tomlin could win one Super Bowl in his first 15 years as the Steelers head coach.

oh wait...

[86WARD]

The irony of that Seattle game was they gave he ball to Lynch on short yardage and he couldn't get it done...lol.

[fansince'76]

Bring back Cowher, he was a better coach.

Yeah, maybe we can wait another 14 years to win a SB while we beat our heads against the wall with one scrub under center after another because the HC insists he doesn't need a QB...

[86WARD]

Kind of like Rex Ryan...

[NCSteeler]

Outside of the truly bad teams , I didn't see many defenses looking like the keystone cops on opening day. Bellichexk called defensive time outs twice when his guys were in bad position. That's good coaching. I realize we would have needed twenty timeouts for Tomlin to do that but he could have at least tried. And no improvement at the half

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[hawaiiansteeler]

in addition to firing Mike Tomlin and every other coordinator and position coach (excluding Mike Munchak, of course) I also have the following suggestion:

every single time any Steelers player has a bad game, cut them no matter what the reason was or who they are. that way none of our players will ever have two bad games in a row...

[Steeldude]

Lebeau's Titans played pretty well, but they were up against a rookie QB. The defense produced 4 sacks. I only watched about a half a quarter of the game.

[zulater]

in addition to firing Mike Tomlin and every other coordinator and position coach (excluding Mike Munchak, of course) I also have the following suggestion:

every single time any Steelers player has a bad game, cut them no matter what the reason was or who they are. that way none of our players will ever have two bad games in a row...

So every single time a coach is criticized by a fan the fan is a moron? Head coaches are infallible and the Rooney's are the only one's smart enough to see that? That's the sense I get here.

Yeah I guess we're just not smart enough to understand how marvelously the Steelers were coached against the Patriots.

[Mojouw]

So every single time a coach is criticized by a fan the fan is a moron? Head coaches are infallible and the Rooney's are the only one's smart enough to see that? That's the sense I get here.

Yeah I guess we're just not smart enough to understand how marvelously the Steelers were coached against the Patriots.

you have to realize that there are points along the spectrum between those two extremes, right? No one is saying that the Steelers coaching staff is always right. Just as many are reacting against the trend to get out the torches and pitch forks whenever the Steelers don't beat their opponent by more than 3 scores.

The Pats make many teams look foolish on defense. Pus, the reality is, the Steelers secondary is one of the worst in the league. All anyone is saying is that one week is not a trend. It is an isolated game. If no improvement is made in Week 2 on the same issues, then there is a pattern and therefore a problem that can be directly blamed on the coaches. Prior to that, we can be pissed our favorite team lost, we can lament the lack of a strong defense, we can complain about mental mistakes, etc - but we should most likely hold off on claiming that Tomlin, Butler, and Haley are 3 of the worst coaches in the league and the Steelers will always enter each game as hampered by their coaching staff as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.

[steelreserve]

you have to realize that there are points along the spectrum between those two extremes, right? No one is saying that the Steelers coaching staff is always right. Just as many are reacting against the trend to get out the torches and pitch forks whenever the Steelers don't beat their opponent by more than 3 scores.

The Pats make many teams look foolish on defense. Pus, the reality is, the Steelers secondary is one of the worst in the league. All anyone is saying is that one week is not a trend. It is an isolated game. If no improvement is made in Week 2 on the same issues, then there is a pattern and therefore a problem that can be directly blamed on the coaches. Prior to that, we can be pissed our favorite team lost, we can lament the lack of a strong defense, we can complain about mental mistakes, etc - but we should most likely hold off on claiming that Tomlin, Butler, and Haley are 3 of the worst coaches in the league and the Steelers will always enter each game as hampered by their coaching staff as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.

I've got news for you, we made ourselves look foolish on defense. Because we were foolish. Not a fire-the-coaches thing, but it was 100% on us, and if we continue to use that strategy Butler and Tomlin should both be kicked in the nuts. Haley too, for good measure.

So our secondary is one of the worst in the league. Whose fault is that? When you're in your ninth year and one of the longest-tenured coaches in the league, that is ... All. You. Ken.

[zulater]

I've got news for you, we made ourselves look foolish on defense. Because we were foolish. Not a fire-the-coaches thing, but it was 100% on us, and if we continue to use that strategy Butler and Tomlin should both be kicked in the nuts. Haley too, for good measure.

So our secondary is one of the worst in the league. Whose fault is that? When you're in your ninth year and one of the longest-tenured coaches in the league, that is ... All. You. Ken.

p.s. the kick in the nuts line made me spit my drink laughing just now!

[polamalubeast]

The problem I have with Tomlin / Haley, is that they are too conservative.The points scored is more important than the time of possession and I not think Tomlin realizes that.

[Psycho Ward 86]

The problem I have with Tomlin / Haley, is that they are too conservative.The points scored is more important than the time of possession and I not think Tomlin realizes that.

please dont encourage them. Haley's going to call another double reverse WR pass with Antonio Brown again

[tube517]

please dont encourage them. Haley's going to call another double reverse WR pass with Antonio Brown again

Yep. Remember Haley called a reverse with that "speedster", jerrico cotchery

[polamalubeast]

And the steelers are so slow in the no-huddle/2 minutes offense.......

[teegre]

And the steelers are so slow in the no-huddle/2 minutes offense.......

Yet, the Steelers were still ranked #1 in scoring in the final 2 minutes of each half....

...and, they were #1 by a significant margin (something like 70 points, and second place was 40 points).

[polamalubeast]

Yet, the Steelers were still ranked #1 in scoring in the final 2 minutes of each half....

...and, they were #1 by a significant margin (something like 70 points, and second place was 40 points).

But it does not change the fact that the Steelers are sometimes too slow in this situation as in the first half against the pats or last year against the buccanners in first half.

[fansince'76]

Forgot about this new smiley...

[smokin3000gt]

Forgot about this new smiley...

It should be :tomlin: or :coaches: instead of mob

[hawaiiansteeler]

So every single time a coach is criticized by a fan the fan is a moron? Head coaches are infallible and the Rooney's are the only one's smart enough to see that? That's the sense I get here.

Yeah I guess we're just not smart enough to understand how marvelously the Steelers were coached against the Patriots.

huh?

wtf are you talking about?

[Mojouw]

But it does not change the fact that the Steelers are sometimes too slow in this situation as in the first half against the pats or last year against the buccanners in first half.

Wait. So facts don't change the matter? How does that work?

This whole debate is an example of my point from earlier - slow compared to what/who? Our perceptions of what "should" be or actual comparisons with other NFL teams?

For instance between 2014 and 2015 (counting regular season and playoffs) the Patriots appeared in 20 games and ran 299 plays with under 3 minutes to go in a half. They put up 13 TDs. During the same time period and same conditions, the Steelers ran 341 plays in 18 games resulting in 16 TDs. Not really slicing it up any further than that, the math says the Steelers ran MORE plays in LESS games - so they MAY be doing things much faster. I realize that w/out looking at game situations you can't account for running out the clock etc - but first glance seems to support the idea that the Steelers run MORE plays under 3 minutes than one of the teams most noted for playing fast.

[polamalubeast]

Wait. So facts don't change the matter? How does that work?

This whole debate is an example of my point from earlier - slow compared to what/who? Our perceptions of what "should" be or actual comparisons with other NFL teams?

For instance between 2014 and 2015 (counting regular season and playoffs) the Patriots appeared in 20 games and ran 299 plays with under 3 minutes to go in a half. They put up 13 TDs. During the same time period and same conditions, the Steelers ran 341 plays in 18 games resulting in 16 TDs. Not really slicing it up any further than that, the math says the Steelers ran MORE plays in LESS games - so they MAY be doing things much faster. I realize that w/out looking at game situations you can't account for running out the clock etc - but first glance seems to support the idea that the Steelers run MORE plays under 3 minutes than one of the teams most noted for playing fast.

That does not say everything, because sometimes this is the opponent who has the ball! As Thursday, the Patriots had 0 play with 2 or 3 minutes left in the 2nd or 4th quarter since it was the Steelers who had the ball!

And I not just speak when this is the 2 minutes offense, I would like the steelers play faster, especially in the first half to take advantage of the talent to the offense that the Steelers have but unfortunately Tomlin give too much importance of the time of possession.

[Mojouw]

That does not say everything, because sometimes this is the opponent who has the ball! As Thursday, the Patriots had 0 play with 2 or 3 minutes left in the 2nd or 4th quarter since it was the Steelers who had the ball!

And I not just speak when this is the 2 minutes offense, I would like the steelers play faster, especially in the first half to take advantage of the talent to the offense that the Steelers have but unfortunately Tomlin give too much importance of the time of possession.

http://pfref.com/tiny/iAElm

So last year the Steelers were 6th in offensive plays ran during the regular season. Only 59 plays behind the Eagles and their acknowledged warp speed offense. Patriots were lauded in the press last season for playing extremely fast and they only ran 5 more offensive plays than the Steelers.

So, again, based on what actual facts - do the Steelers play slow on offense?

[polamalubeast]

http://pfref.com/tiny/iAElm

So last year the Steelers were 6th in offensive plays ran during the regular season. Only 59 plays behind the Eagles and their acknowledged warp speed offense. Patriots were lauded in the press last season for playing extremely fast and they only ran 5 more offensive plays than the Steelers.

So, again, based on what actual facts - do the Steelers play slow on offense?

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/pacestats2014


And each year,the Steelers have one of the teams with the less drive in the nfl.