FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!!

[ALLD]

Bring back Cowher, he was a better coach.

[polamalubeast]

Bring back Cowher, he was a better coach.

and Bring back Dick Lebeau too!!!!!!

[hawaiiansteeler]

Bring back Cowher, he was a better coach.

yeah, if only Tomlin could win one Super Bowl in his first 15 years as the Steelers head coach.

oh wait...

[fansince'76]

Bring back Cowher, he was a better coach.

Yeah, maybe we can wait another 14 years to win a SB while we beat our heads against the wall with one scrub under center after another because the HC insists he doesn't need a QB...

[86WARD]

The irony of that Seattle game was they gave he ball to Lynch on short yardage and he couldn't get it done...lol.

[86WARD]

Kind of like Rex Ryan...

[NCSteeler]

Outside of the truly bad teams , I didn't see many defenses looking like the keystone cops on opening day. Bellichexk called defensive time outs twice when his guys were in bad position. That's good coaching. I realize we would have needed twenty timeouts for Tomlin to do that but he could have at least tried. And no improvement at the half

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[hawaiiansteeler]

in addition to firing Mike Tomlin and every other coordinator and position coach (excluding Mike Munchak, of course) I also have the following suggestion:

every single time any Steelers player has a bad game, cut them no matter what the reason was or who they are. that way none of our players will ever have two bad games in a row...

[zulater]

in addition to firing Mike Tomlin and every other coordinator and position coach (excluding Mike Munchak, of course) I also have the following suggestion:

every single time any Steelers player has a bad game, cut them no matter what the reason was or who they are. that way none of our players will ever have two bad games in a row...

So every single time a coach is criticized by a fan the fan is a moron? Head coaches are infallible and the Rooney's are the only one's smart enough to see that? That's the sense I get here.

Yeah I guess we're just not smart enough to understand how marvelously the Steelers were coached against the Patriots.

[Mojouw]

So every single time a coach is criticized by a fan the fan is a moron? Head coaches are infallible and the Rooney's are the only one's smart enough to see that? That's the sense I get here.

Yeah I guess we're just not smart enough to understand how marvelously the Steelers were coached against the Patriots.

you have to realize that there are points along the spectrum between those two extremes, right? No one is saying that the Steelers coaching staff is always right. Just as many are reacting against the trend to get out the torches and pitch forks whenever the Steelers don't beat their opponent by more than 3 scores.

The Pats make many teams look foolish on defense. Pus, the reality is, the Steelers secondary is one of the worst in the league. All anyone is saying is that one week is not a trend. It is an isolated game. If no improvement is made in Week 2 on the same issues, then there is a pattern and therefore a problem that can be directly blamed on the coaches. Prior to that, we can be pissed our favorite team lost, we can lament the lack of a strong defense, we can complain about mental mistakes, etc - but we should most likely hold off on claiming that Tomlin, Butler, and Haley are 3 of the worst coaches in the league and the Steelers will always enter each game as hampered by their coaching staff as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.

[steelreserve]

you have to realize that there are points along the spectrum between those two extremes, right? No one is saying that the Steelers coaching staff is always right. Just as many are reacting against the trend to get out the torches and pitch forks whenever the Steelers don't beat their opponent by more than 3 scores.

The Pats make many teams look foolish on defense. Pus, the reality is, the Steelers secondary is one of the worst in the league. All anyone is saying is that one week is not a trend. It is an isolated game. If no improvement is made in Week 2 on the same issues, then there is a pattern and therefore a problem that can be directly blamed on the coaches. Prior to that, we can be pissed our favorite team lost, we can lament the lack of a strong defense, we can complain about mental mistakes, etc - but we should most likely hold off on claiming that Tomlin, Butler, and Haley are 3 of the worst coaches in the league and the Steelers will always enter each game as hampered by their coaching staff as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.

I've got news for you, we made ourselves look foolish on defense. Because we were foolish. Not a fire-the-coaches thing, but it was 100% on us, and if we continue to use that strategy Butler and Tomlin should both be kicked in the nuts. Haley too, for good measure.

So our secondary is one of the worst in the league. Whose fault is that? When you're in your ninth year and one of the longest-tenured coaches in the league, that is ... All. You. Ken.

[zulater]

I've got news for you, we made ourselves look foolish on defense. Because we were foolish. Not a fire-the-coaches thing, but it was 100% on us, and if we continue to use that strategy Butler and Tomlin should both be kicked in the nuts. Haley too, for good measure.

So our secondary is one of the worst in the league. Whose fault is that? When you're in your ninth year and one of the longest-tenured coaches in the league, that is ... All. You. Ken.

p.s. the kick in the nuts line made me spit my drink laughing just now!

[hawaiiansteeler]

So every single time a coach is criticized by a fan the fan is a moron? Head coaches are infallible and the Rooney's are the only one's smart enough to see that? That's the sense I get here.

Yeah I guess we're just not smart enough to understand how marvelously the Steelers were coached against the Patriots.

huh?

wtf are you talking about?

[Steeldude]

Lebeau's Titans played pretty well, but they were up against a rookie QB. The defense produced 4 sacks. I only watched about a half a quarter of the game.

[polamalubeast]

The problem I have with Tomlin / Haley, is that they are too conservative.The points scored is more important than the time of possession and I not think Tomlin realizes that.

[Psycho Ward 86]

The problem I have with Tomlin / Haley, is that they are too conservative.The points scored is more important than the time of possession and I not think Tomlin realizes that.

please dont encourage them. Haley's going to call another double reverse WR pass with Antonio Brown again

[tube517]

please dont encourage them. Haley's going to call another double reverse WR pass with Antonio Brown again

Yep. Remember Haley called a reverse with that "speedster", jerrico cotchery

[polamalubeast]

And the steelers are so slow in the no-huddle/2 minutes offense.......

[teegre]

And the steelers are so slow in the no-huddle/2 minutes offense.......

Yet, the Steelers were still ranked #1 in scoring in the final 2 minutes of each half....

...and, they were #1 by a significant margin (something like 70 points, and second place was 40 points).

[polamalubeast]

Yet, the Steelers were still ranked #1 in scoring in the final 2 minutes of each half....

...and, they were #1 by a significant margin (something like 70 points, and second place was 40 points).

But it does not change the fact that the Steelers are sometimes too slow in this situation as in the first half against the pats or last year against the buccanners in first half.

[Mojouw]

But it does not change the fact that the Steelers are sometimes too slow in this situation as in the first half against the pats or last year against the buccanners in first half.

Wait. So facts don't change the matter? How does that work?

This whole debate is an example of my point from earlier - slow compared to what/who? Our perceptions of what "should" be or actual comparisons with other NFL teams?

For instance between 2014 and 2015 (counting regular season and playoffs) the Patriots appeared in 20 games and ran 299 plays with under 3 minutes to go in a half. They put up 13 TDs. During the same time period and same conditions, the Steelers ran 341 plays in 18 games resulting in 16 TDs. Not really slicing it up any further than that, the math says the Steelers ran MORE plays in LESS games - so they MAY be doing things much faster. I realize that w/out looking at game situations you can't account for running out the clock etc - but first glance seems to support the idea that the Steelers run MORE plays under 3 minutes than one of the teams most noted for playing fast.

[polamalubeast]

Wait. So facts don't change the matter? How does that work?

This whole debate is an example of my point from earlier - slow compared to what/who? Our perceptions of what "should" be or actual comparisons with other NFL teams?

For instance between 2014 and 2015 (counting regular season and playoffs) the Patriots appeared in 20 games and ran 299 plays with under 3 minutes to go in a half. They put up 13 TDs. During the same time period and same conditions, the Steelers ran 341 plays in 18 games resulting in 16 TDs. Not really slicing it up any further than that, the math says the Steelers ran MORE plays in LESS games - so they MAY be doing things much faster. I realize that w/out looking at game situations you can't account for running out the clock etc - but first glance seems to support the idea that the Steelers run MORE plays under 3 minutes than one of the teams most noted for playing fast.

That does not say everything, because sometimes this is the opponent who has the ball! As Thursday, the Patriots had 0 play with 2 or 3 minutes left in the 2nd or 4th quarter since it was the Steelers who had the ball!

And I not just speak when this is the 2 minutes offense, I would like the steelers play faster, especially in the first half to take advantage of the talent to the offense that the Steelers have but unfortunately Tomlin give too much importance of the time of possession.

[teegre]

But it does not change the fact that the Steelers are sometimes too slow in this situation as in the first half against the pats or last year against the buccanners in first half.

Okay.

I once say a picture of Kate Upton that wasn't very good.

Michael Jordan occasionally missed a shot. Or, two.

And, YES, the Steelers did not score on every single 2-minute drill... just more so than every other team in the NFL.

[fansince'76]

Forgot about this new smiley...

[smokin3000gt]

Forgot about this new smiley...

It should be :tomlin: or :coaches: instead of mob

[zulater]

Please enough with the stats. If you can't see the Steelers have trouble executing a 2 minute offense or even a 5 minute offense then you just haven't been paying attention for the past few seasons.

The Steelers burn more clock on less plays when they try to score in a hurry than any team out there. I'm in a hurry now, but if you need examples then you probably just need a new team, because you sure as hell haven't paid much attention to this one.

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Okay.

I once say a picture of Kate Upton that wasn't very good.

Michael Jordan occasionally missed a shot. Or, two.

And, YES, the Steelers did not score on every single 2-minute drill... just more so than every other team in the NFL.

A lot more fg's than td's, and how many of those were of no consequense? I mean that last td against Pats meant nothing, but if you want to credit it as a success, good for you. I wont.


The Steelers hurry up offense is as often as not painful to watch.

[teegre]

Please enough with the stats. If you can't see the Steelers have trouble executing a 2 minute offense or even a 5 minute offense then you just haven't been paying attention for the past few seasons.

The Steelers burn more clock on less plays when they try to score in a hurry than any team out there. I'm in a hurry now, but if you need examples then you probably just need a new team, because you sure as hell haven't paid much attention to this one.

Wait... earlier someone said that Tomlin was more concerned with TOP than with scoring points.

Ergo, I talked about the only stat that matters: points scored during those 2-minute drills.... and, the Steelers were #1.

But, YES, other teams sure did look great while simultaneously not scoring points.

[polamalubeast]

Please enough with the stats. If you can't see the Steelers have trouble executing a 2 minute offense or even a 5 minute offense then you just haven't been paying attention for the past few seasons.

The Steelers burn more clock on less plays when they try to score in a hurry than any team out there. I'm in a hurry now, but if you need examples then you probably just need a new team, because you sure as hell haven't paid much attention to this one.

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A lot more fg's than td's, and how many of those were of no consequense? I mean that last td against Pats meant nothing, but if you want to credit it as a success, good for you. I wont.


The Steelers hurry up offense is as often as not painful to watch.

100% agree

[teegre]

A lot more fg's than td's, and how many of those were of no consequense? I mean that last td against Pats meant nothing, but if you want to credit it as a success, good for you. I wont.


The Steelers hurry up offense is as often as not painful to watch.

A lot of teams have "meaningless" TDs scored in the final 2-minutes... not just the Steelers.

[zulater]

A lot of teams have "meaningless" TDs scored in the final 2-minutes... not just the Steelers.

When I get to Ky I'll offer you up some of the Steelers Chinese fire drill type 2 minute drills if you like. The ones where they waste time outs and clock with equal aplomb. But I'm out the door now so it will have to wait a day.