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    Re: FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!!

    Don Coryell and Dan Fouts .......
    Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar

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    McCarthy credits Tomlin for helping Cowboys win the game

    https://steelersdepot.com/2024/10/mi...th-down-score/

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
    McCarthy credits Tomlin for helping Cowboys win the game

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    Sigh.

    Pre-timeout Beanie Bishop was isolated one on one with CeeDee Lamb.

    Anyone want to guess how that would’ve gone?

    The timeout was a good decision. You could see some of the Steelers DBs frantically pointing out the bad match up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Sigh.

    Pre-timeout Beanie Bishop was isolated one on one with CeeDee Lamb.

    Anyone want to guess how that would’ve gone?

    The timeout was a good decision. You could see some of the Steelers DBs frantically pointing out the bad match up.
    Sure, but why on Earth was Beanie isolated on Lamb to begin with?!

    Not suggesting it was Tomlin's fault, but come on, how does that happen in that moment of the game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteeleReign View Post
    Sure, but why on Earth was Beanie isolated on Lamb to begin with?!

    Not suggesting it was Tomlin's fault, but come on, how does that happen in that moment of the game?

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    I am not a knowledgeable person on football strategy, but it seems to me there are two teams who are trying find the best matchups for their own players. So, sometimes the other team finds a way to get a matchup you were not expecting. I think it happens quite often to good teams too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteeleReign View Post
    Sure, but why on Earth was Beanie isolated on Lamb to begin with?!

    Not suggesting it was Tomlin's fault, but come on, how does that happen in that moment of the game?

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    Because he’s the slot corner and Lamb was in the slot?

    Turns out to not matter. Tolbert cooked Bishop on the play anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Because he’s the slot corner and Lamb was in the slot?

    Turns out to not matter. Tolbert cooked Bishop on the play anyway.
    wasn't that DeShon Elliott in coverage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Because he’s the slot corner and Lamb was in the slot?

    Turns out to not matter. Tolbert cooked Bishop on the play anyway.
    Yeah, true. I guess I don't understand why you allow the offense to dictate that match up at that point in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteeleReign View Post
    Yeah, true. I guess I don't understand why you allow the offense to dictate that match up at that point in the game.

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    They didn’t. That’s why you take the timeout.

    The other team gets a vote in all this too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
    wasn't that DeShon Elliott in coverage?
    I’ve got a hard time believing Eliot was the primary coverage there. He starts at the back post and then ends up at the front pylon.

    Bishop takes like 3-4 steps inside, gets caught in traffic and then tries to get back on Tilbert’s hip.

    Either he was supposed to take the crosser as he came through and he was late getting there or it could’ve been Eliot’s man and Bishop saw disaster unfolding.

    Based on the rest of the game and the Colts game; I’m going to just assume Bishop screed up.

    Entirely possible and even likely I’ve got it wrong. Could be it was man and the coverage got picked off in the traffic. But Bishop has been wrong/late before in handling guys crossing into his area. I’m just assuming the Cowboys got him again.

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    That’s just a fabricated story…lol. That’s just football. No one credits anyone in that situation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    That’s just a fabricated story…lol. That’s just football. No one credits anyone in that situation.
    I agree.

    It’s become this thing that there’s some secret time management issue every close NFL game.

    It’s not true. It is because it is easy to explain and fill air time. You don’t have to know anything to safely nod and be like “36 seconds is more seconds than 26! Clearly those 10 seconds were the key issue”.

    Well, no, there were 59 other minutes that took place as well. And all of those are relevant and important as well.

    Even if you want to boil it down to one play; was the team in man or zone or a blend of the two? Did they rush or drop into coverage? What were the Cowboys trying to do? Was there things that took place earlier in the game that led each team to the calls and alignments they presented on the final play? Was it just a great play and no one did anything wrong but some amazing athlete just made an amazing play?

    But all that’s both hard to work through and difficult to explain so, instead, these chuckle sticks just go with “derrrrr…timeout bad…..coaching……works in Madden…..”

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    What about when a coach tries to ice a kicker? Do they go out and say, well he called a timeout and we had a feeling the kicker was going to miss it but the time out helped him visualize the kick more and he made it for the win.


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    Re: FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!!

    Saleh is out for the Jets

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    Saleh is out for the Jets
    Solid decision there.

    Let Rodgers come in and be a toxic man-baby. Then fire the coach and keep the old, fading QB who is too stubborn to change anything he does, even in the face of it not working.

    The pick 6 by Van Ginkel last week? Rodgers has a tendency....blitz and he throws hot to a slant behind it. Vikings baited him to throwing hot, and Van Ginkel nabbed it for a score. But....sure.....can Saleh and it will get better.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Solid decision there.

    Let Rodgers come in and be a toxic man-baby. Then fire the coach and keep the old, fading QB who is too stubborn to change anything he does, even in the face of it not working.

    The pick 6 by Van Ginkel last week? Rodgers has a tendency....blitz and he throws hot to a slant behind it. Vikings baited him to throwing hot, and Van Ginkel nabbed it for a score. But....sure.....can Saleh and it will get better.....
    Maybe make Hackett the interim! Lol

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    Somebody mentioned Vrabel as a possible replacement. That's a pretty good idea, IMO.

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    They retained Hackett as OC, Ulbrich is the face of the interim HC. HC is really Aaron Rodgers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    They retained Hackett as OC, Ulbrich is the face of the interim HC. HC is really Aaron Rodgers.
    Nailed it.

    Got someone in there that will kowtow to Rodgers and not cause a stink.

    Just a terrible decision. If I was every other player on that roster besides Rodgers and Lazard, I would want out.

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    FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!!

    Mangini/Favre version TWO point O!


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    There is one similarity between Tomlin and Cowher. They both scare their young QBs into just managing the game. So this isn't something new.

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    Re: FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!!

    for the fire Tomlin crowd .....

    I mean I have been saying he has no branches on his tree for a long time , most dont seem to care


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    Re: FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    for the fire Tomlin crowd .....

    I mean I have been saying he has no branches on his tree for a long time , most dont seem to care


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    Because it's pretty much irrelevant. Look at Belichick's "tree" and the largely spectacular fashion in which they all faceplanted once they left New England. By and large, they weren't even mediocre HCs, they just downright sucked.

    ...Ten men who worked under Belichick have landed full-time head coaching jobs in the NFL. Only two have a career record above .500: Al Groh (who went 9-7 in his one season with the New York Jets in 2000) and Bill O’Brien (who went 52-48 before the Houston Texans fired him in 2020).

    The group has a cumulative record of 219-306-2. Four of them — Romeo Crennel, Joe Judge, Matt Patricia, and McDaniels — won fewer than 38 percent of the NFL games they coached. Over 36 combined NFL seasons, the 10 members of Belichick’s coaching tree have six playoff appearances and only three postseason wins.
    Read more: Why has the Bill Belichick coaching tree produced such imperfect fruit?

    There are lots of valid criticisms of Tomlin out there, but his lack of a coaching "tree" really isn't one of them.

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    Haley, Arians, Munchak, Flores. Those names are better than anything Belichick has put out there. Might be better than anything Andy Reid has put out there.

    In all reality, there’s two maybe three coaching trees in the history of the NFL. Parcells and Walsh.

    Tomlin doesn’t hire young coaches…his coaches are usually established.


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    Do I have to post the chart again? You can take every single NFL coach back to like 4 guys. It all depends on where you start/stop.

    It is a nonsense argument used to fill time by folks in need of NFL content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Haley, Arians, Munchak, Flores. Those names are better than anything Belichick has put out there.
    I agree this criticism is nonsense, but it's not like those guys were young coaches who Tomlin brought in to teach them his system and then other teams hired them to learn Tomlin's system which is the only kind of tree branching I think should count.

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    I'm more concerned about the rotting trunk of Tomlin's tree than about the branches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Haley, Arians, Munchak, Flores. Those names are better than anything Belichick has put out there. Might be better than anything Andy Reid has put out there.

    In all reality, there’s two maybe three coaching trees in the history of the NFL. Parcells and Walsh.

    Tomlin doesn’t hire young coaches…his coaches are usually established.
    Shula

    Aside from Haley and LeBeau, Tomlin’s coordinators have been below par. Flores was here one year, so he doesn't really count. A tree is not really necessary to be successful. I think Schottenheimer had more of a tree than Chuck Noll, just shows the irrelevance of having a tree.

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