FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!!

[El Kabong]

I must be confused because I remember the Steelers losing to 39 year old Peyton Manning in a playoff game, not beating him. I remember wins vs. the Aj McCarron-led Bengals, the Matt Moore-led Dolphins, and the Alex Smith-led Chiefs before getting destroyed by the Patriots.

[Mach1]

The new standard.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LSyfa0eCst0

[vader29]

[86WARD]

Cowher was a pretty terrible coach too.

Steelers have had one good coach in 90 years…that’s crazy.

[DesertSteel]

Cowher was a pretty terrible coach too.

Steelers have had one good coach in 90 years…that’s crazy.

Aren’t you the one who started the ‘Fire Noll’ thread too?

[fansince'76]

I must be confused because I remember the Steelers losing to 39 year old Peyton Manning in a playoff game, not beating him.

I remember the Steelers very much on the verge of icing that game until a 4th string RB who was forced to play due to injury fumbled the ball away.

And therein lies the biggest problem with the "Killer B" era - one or more of them were usually MIA when the postseason rolled around due to various injuries.

Furthermore, if we're going to drag "strength of opposing QB" into this, the Patriots "dynasty" all of a sudden looks a whole hell of a lot less impressive.

[Dwinsgames]

I must be confused because I remember the Steelers losing to 39 year old Peyton Manning in a playoff game, not beating him. I remember wins vs. the Aj McCarron-led Bengals, the Matt Moore-led Dolphins, and the Alex Smith-led Chiefs before getting destroyed by the Patriots.

you are correct ...

[feltdizz]

For the playoff victory thing....here is an interesting one:

Since the Ravens won the SB in 2012, they and Harbaugh have 2 playoff victories and 5 losses.
Since 2012, the Steelers have 3 playoff victories and 6 losses.

How soon after Tomlin is shown the door should Harbaugh be fired?

Since their last SB victory in 2013 and SB loss in 2014....the Seahawks and Carroll have 3 wins and 6 playoff losses. Should Carroll be fired?

Since a SB victory in 2008, McCarthy has gone 6-8 in the playoffs with two teams and basically HOF level QB play. That one isn't about being fired....because he was and almost was a second time....but it is about context.

Since they won the SB, McVay is 3-3 and might not make it in this year....again context.

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I can get on board with that. No improvement all in 2024....fire everyone at some point.

After that....I don't have an answer for what "enough" improvement is or looks like at this point.

I think every one of these coaches have fans who are tired of them. I'm sure Raven fans hate seeing them lose to us regardless of how much better they seem to play for 59 minutes. I'm sure Raven fans are tired of making the playoffs and losing in dramatic fashion lately regardless of how well they play for 59 minutes. It's that 60th minute that seems to do them in. But at least they have hope and a young dynamic QB and good defense. They have hopes of a SB run right now. It could all fall apart given their schedule but they are 10-3 and in first place in the AFC.

I'm sure Seahawk fans were ready for Pete to hit the road when Russ stopped cooking and the defense fell off a cliff. At least they found a QB who can look good at times. However, I would not be surprised if fans and FO are thinking about moving on if they miss the playoffs. I still see the Seahawks playing watchable football.

Now the crazy part is Tomlin is still in the playoff hunt with a TERRIBLE offense. The problem is once again we had a chance to make some noise and lost to the worst teams in the league and it wasn't even close. Other teams play rookie backups and look like varsity. Why does our #2 pick overall who "won a playoff game" look like hot shit who never played the game before?


The problem with a Tomlin team is the offense sucks. I mean, it's not an enjoyable watch at all. At least Kenny playing gave me some excitement he could turn into a franchise guy one game at a time but watching Mitch? Hell, play Mason, at least that would give us some false hope.

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Aren’t you the one who started the ‘Fire Noll’ thread too?

All coaches have a shelf life IMO. Anything after 10 years and I think fans have a right to be concerned that the message is growing stale. It's up to those teams performances to prove us wrong.

[Mojouw]

I think every one of these coaches have fans who are tired of them. I'm sure Raven fans hate seeing them lose to us regardless of how much better they seem to play for 59 minutes. I'm sure Raven fans are tired of making the playoffs and losing in dramatic fashion lately regardless of how well they play for 59 minutes. It's that 60th minute that seems to do them in. But at least they have hope and a young dynamic QB and good defense. They have hopes of a SB run right now. It could all fall apart given their schedule but they are 10-3 and in first place in the AFC.

I'm sure Seahawk fans were ready for Pete to hit the road when Russ stopped cooking and the defense fell off a cliff. At least they found a QB who can look good at times. However, I would not be surprised if fans and FO are thinking about moving on if they miss the playoffs. I still see the Seahawks playing watchable football.

Now the crazy part is Tomlin is still in the playoff hunt with a TERRIBLE offense. The problem is once again we had a chance to make some noise and lost to the worst teams in the league and it wasn't even close. Other teams play rookie backups and look like varsity. Why does our #2 pick overall who "won a playoff game" look like hot shit who never played the game before?


The problem with a Tomlin team is the offense sucks. I mean, it's not an enjoyable watch at all. At least Kenny playing gave me some excitement he could turn into a franchise guy one game at a time but watching Mitch? Hell, play Mason, at least that would give us some false hope.

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All coaches have a shelf life IMO. Anything after 10 years and I think fans have a right to be concerned that the message is growing stale. It's up to those teams performances to prove us wrong.

I am sure all teams have portions of their fan base that want the current coach fired at any given point. It does not make their fans rationale, correct, or realistic. It just makes them fanatics....which we all are.

I do not find Trubisky's play either unexpected or out of line with his performance in Chicago. The amount of game altering plays his defense and special teams made to drag him top wins was almost totally unbelievable. Rex Grossman won with a similar formula in Chicago and no one would expect him to come to another team and win much of anything. Trubisky keeps getting chances because he got drafted high. Pretty old and stupid NFL story....but he was drafted high....he must be good! Not if the drafting team just screwed it up.

You are totally right that the offense is awful. And that is Tomlin's mess to clean up or get dragged under for. I do not believe there was ever a way to clean it up this season. And, not surprisingly, the available options do not appear up to the task. It will take a total reset on that side of the ball in the off-season to even have a chance to salvage anything from this mess. But it is possible it has already ruined a few careers. Perhaps even Tomlin's own.

For the players themselves, it reveals a painful truth we have to face as fans. We are deeply passionate about the Pittsburgh Steelers winning games and making deep playoff runs. Most players are not able to match that level of passion. They want to win to fuel their thirst for competition and to further their own careers. Winning is great because it means their is both team and individual success. That means you get to play longer and for more money in the NFL

I suspect that the lack of individual success and being trapped in a hopeless offense is why Pickens is acting out so visibly. Pickens is eligible for a new contract after next year I think. He isn't going to get one with the stat lines this offense provides a framework for him to put up. When he hits the FA market in 2026, he may have a significantly lower earning potential/value because of the poor offenses he spent most of his career in. Contrast that with....say....Justin Jefferson....who might become the highest paid non Qb in the league in short order. Or the contract that DK Metcalf was able to sign after his first few years in the league. I think that both players are reasonable comps for Pickens talent level. Pickens won't be able to come close to the $$$ they made in the NFL because of the Steelers offensive shortcomings.

Long story short....this whole thing is starting to screw around with guys careers. NFL careers are short enough already. You don't need to be mired in a bad situation to boot. If I was a Steelers offensive player, I would be acting out too.

[Mach1]

I am sure all teams have portions of their fan base that want the current coach fired at any given point. It does not make their fans rationale, correct, or realistic. It just makes them fanatics....which we all are.

I do not find Trubisky's play either unexpected or out of line with his performance in Chicago. The amount of game altering plays his defense and special teams made to drag him top wins was almost totally unbelievable. Rex Grossman won with a similar formula in Chicago and no one would expect him to come to another team and win much of anything. Trubisky keeps getting chances because he got drafted high. Pretty old and stupid NFL story....but he was drafted high....he must be good! Not if the drafting team just screwed it up.

You are totally right that the offense is awful. And that is Tomlin's mess to clean up or get dragged under for. I do not believe there was ever a way to clean it up this season. And, not surprisingly, the available options do not appear up to the task. It will take a total reset on that side of the ball in the off-season to even have a chance to salvage anything from this mess. But it is possible it has already ruined a few careers. Perhaps even Tomlin's own.

For the players themselves, it reveals a painful truth we have to face as fans. We are deeply passionate about the Pittsburgh Steelers winning games and making deep playoff runs. Most players are not able to match that level of passion. They want to win to fuel their thirst for competition and to further their own careers. Winning is great because it means their is both team and individual success. That means you get to play longer and for more money in the NFL

I suspect that the lack of individual success and being trapped in a hopeless offense is why Pickens is acting out so visibly. Pickens is eligible for a new contract after next year I think. He isn't going to get one with the stat lines this offense provides a framework for him to put up. When he hits the FA market in 2026, he may have a significantly lower earning potential/value because of the poor offenses he spent most of his career in. Contrast that with....say....Justin Jefferson....who might become the highest paid non Qb in the league in short order. Or the contract that DK Metcalf was able to sign after his first few years in the league. I think that both players are reasonable comps for Pickens talent level. Pickens won't be able to come close to the $$$ they made in the NFL because of the Steelers offensive shortcomings.

Long story short....this whole thing is starting to screw around with guys careers. NFL careers are short enough already. You don't need to be mired in a bad situation to boot. If I was a Steelers offensive player, I would be acting out too.

Ask yourself this. If the poor coaching continues, who in their right mind would want to be a Steeler? Remember when nobody wanted to go to Cleveland, that's where things are headed if drastic changes aren't made.

[Mojouw]

Ask yourself this. If the poor coaching continues, who in their right mind would want to be a Steeler? Remember when nobody wanted to go to Cleveland, that's where things are headed if drastic changes aren't made.

I think that they might need more than one "bad" year to get on that track. And...that is what the money is for.

As it stands now....multiple recent signings have indicated that they came to Pittsburgh and Tomlin specifically.

Honestly, you guys are like a year or two too early in all your dire predictions. Look around the league. The Steelers are right in line with almost every team that lacks a bad-ass QB.

They are a decent OC away from not really having much to complain about...although I am sure we can find a way.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Ben Roethlisberger says Steelers’ clock management issues are result of 'bad coaching'

https://triblive.com/sports/first-ca...k-of-comeback/

[SteeleReign]

I think that they might need more than one "bad" year to get on that track. And...that is what the money is for.

As it stands now....multiple recent signings have indicated that they came to Pittsburgh and Tomlin specifically.

Honestly, you guys are like a year or two too early in all your dire predictions. Look around the league. The Steelers are right in line with almost every team that lacks a bad-ass QB.

They are a decent OC away from not really having much to complain about...although I am sure we can find a way.

Haven't they had more than one bad year? Isn't this year #3 or 4?

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[Mojouw]

Haven't they had more than one bad year? Isn't this year #3 or 4?

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Based on what criteria? How do you define bad?

For me, I do not see any "bad" seasons. They have finished 1st, 2nd, 3rd in the division last 3 seasons. Could end up anywhere between 1st and 4th this year. This is not a terrible football team. It is just a football team that hired a crappy OC. Fix that, and you are off and running.

But reasonable people may differ and see every season since like 2016 or so as a failure.

But no one ever says what they mean by "bad".

[SteeleReign]

Based on what criteria? How do you define bad?

For me, I do not see any "bad" seasons. They have finished 1st, 2nd, 3rd in the division last 3 seasons. Could end up anywhere between 1st and 4th this year. This is not a terrible football team. It is just a football team that hired a crappy OC. Fix that, and you are off and running.

But reasonable people may differ and see every season since like 2016 or so as a failure.

But no one ever says what they mean by "bad".

My fault. I misunderstood. I thought you were referring to the offense specifically.

I think it's pretty clear that defensive FAs see Pittsburgh as a top option, and Tomlin likely has a lot to do with that.

Offensive FAs might be more hesitant considering the ineptitude of this offense the last few years.

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[Mojouw]

My fault. I misunderstood. I thought you were referring to the offense specifically.

I think it's pretty clear that defensive FAs see Pittsburgh as a top option, and Tomlin likely has a lot to do with that.

Offensive FAs might be more hesitant considering the ineptitude of this offense the last few years.

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Ok. Got it. That makes sense.

I think an exciting OC or even a change at QB could change that really quickly.

For some reason....they have been able to convince OL to come and sign. But skill positions.....likely not as much!

[SteeleReign]

Ok. Got it. That makes sense.

I think an exciting OC or even a change at QB could change that really quickly.

For some reason....they have been able to convince OL to come and sign. But skill positions.....likely not as much!

True. The hook for OL free agents was probably baited with the promise that their addition will fix what ails the offense.

We were told for a couple years that it wasn't Canada that was the problem, it was the o-line.

Now it's appears that, though the o-line is still a work in progress, there are bigger issues afoot.

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[Hawkman]

This will probably be my last post ! Been with a number of you for 20+ years. But, it seems to be ……not fun anymore. I have an amount of money “earmarked “ for this site …..so Adms” let me know.

[Mach1]

[Pastrami]

If he doesn't go he needs to get his nose out of the offense.

[pczach]

This will probably be my last post ! Been with a number of you for 20+ years. But, it seems to be ……not fun anymore. I have an amount of money “earmarked “ for this site …..so Adms” let me know.

I'm not sure if something happened that I missed here. I hope you reconsider.

You will certainly be missed.

[hawaiiansteeler]

This will probably be my last post ! Been with a number of you for 20+ years. But, it seems to be ……not fun anymore. I have an amount of money “earmarked “ for this site …..so Adms” let me know.

I hope not.

you're definitely one of the good guys.

[Mojouw]

This will probably be my last post ! Been with a number of you for 20+ years. But, it seems to be ……not fun anymore. I have an amount of money “earmarked “ for this site …..so Adms” let me know.

Sorry to hear that.

Honestly, my apologies to you and anyone else who I have caused not to enjoy coming here as much as they used to. I know I am not for everyone and not always posting with the best attitude.

No matter what, you will be missed.

[pczach]

I hope not.

you're definitely one of the good guys.

Exactly!

[feltdizz]

I am sure all teams have portions of their fan base that want the current coach fired at any given point. It does not make their fans rationale, correct, or realistic. It just makes them fanatics....which we all are.

I do not find Trubisky's play either unexpected or out of line with his performance in Chicago. The amount of game altering plays his defense and special teams made to drag him top wins was almost totally unbelievable. Rex Grossman won with a similar formula in Chicago and no one would expect him to come to another team and win much of anything. Trubisky keeps getting chances because he got drafted high. Pretty old and stupid NFL story....but he was drafted high....he must be good! Not if the drafting team just screwed it up.

You are totally right that the offense is awful. And that is Tomlin's mess to clean up or get dragged under for. I do not believe there was ever a way to clean it up this season. And, not surprisingly, the available options do not appear up to the task. It will take a total reset on that side of the ball in the off-season to even have a chance to salvage anything from this mess. But it is possible it has already ruined a few careers. Perhaps even Tomlin's own.

For the players themselves, it reveals a painful truth we have to face as fans. We are deeply passionate about the Pittsburgh Steelers winning games and making deep playoff runs. Most players are not able to match that level of passion. They want to win to fuel their thirst for competition and to further their own careers. Winning is great because it means their is both team and individual success. That means you get to play longer and for more money in the NFL

I suspect that the lack of individual success and being trapped in a hopeless offense is why Pickens is acting out so visibly. Pickens is eligible for a new contract after next year I think. He isn't going to get one with the stat lines this offense provides a framework for him to put up. When he hits the FA market in 2026, he may have a significantly lower earning potential/value because of the poor offenses he spent most of his career in. Contrast that with....say....Justin Jefferson....who might become the highest paid non Qb in the league in short order. Or the contract that DK Metcalf was able to sign after his first few years in the league. I think that both players are reasonable comps for Pickens talent level. Pickens won't be able to come close to the $$$ they made in the NFL because of the Steelers offensive shortcomings.

Long story short....this whole thing is starting to screw around with guys careers. NFL careers are short enough already. You don't need to be mired in a bad situation to boot. If I was a Steelers offensive player, I would be acting out too.

agree on all of this. For the life of me I can't understand how we continue to force the ball to DJ at the most critical times. I honestly believe we are intentionally suppressing Pickens stats to keep him from a big money contract or we are just too dumb to draw up plays to get him the football.

It could be both.

I also believe the FO and coaching staff really like DJ and are trying their best to get him the football in hopes he breaks out of his slump.

[Dwinsgames]

This will probably be my last post ! Been with a number of you for 20+ years. But, it seems to be ……not fun anymore. I have an amount of money “earmarked “ for this site …..so Adms” let me know.

DUDE ... don't ............if you must take a break then take a little break but do NOT leave its been 20 + years ....

[86WARD]

Aren’t you the one who started the ‘Fire Noll’ thread too?

Maybe my father…86GARRITY

[86WARD]

This will probably be my last post ! Been with a number of you for 20+ years. But, it seems to be ……not fun anymore. I have an amount of money “earmarked “ for this site …..so Adms” let me know.

Sorry to hear that. Hope you reconsider. Enjoy your posts and chats.

[El Kabong]

Sorry to hear that.

Honestly, my apologies to you and anyone else who I have caused not to enjoy coming here as much as they used to. I know I am not for everyone and not always posting with the best attitude.

No matter what, you will be missed.

I'm going to suggest that you aren't the problem. Not that I'm suggesting anyone else is.

[Dwinsgames]

This will probably be my last post ! Been with a number of you for 20+ years. But, it seems to be ……not fun anymore. I have an amount of money “earmarked “ for this site …..so Adms” let me know.

Don't be a lemonhead about this and get back here bro ....................