FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!!

[SteelMayhem72]

ive already stuck a fork in this season and im ready for next season...tired of this up and down undisciplined and unprepared shit show off and on all season. i think this team seams to be a me,me,me team and more worried about personal accolades. This team celebrates way too much much this season during games when they dont need to at the time. Not to mention penalties,fines etc for it. Thats an undisciplined team. Boils down to tomlin being a ra,ra,ra coach and not so much a leader.

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[Steel Peon]

Did you also take picture of the 4-5 one arm misses of Blake today?.....Like 16 games worth, like leading the entire team in missed tackles.

Well now you're just lying, he was in on 1 play as far anyone saw.

[86WARD]

People that don't see a problem with the lack of playoff appearances and one and done in the playoffs is kinda disturbing. Lol.

[Shoes]

Well now you're just lying, he was in on 1 play as far anyone saw.

As far as anyone saw? I think your lying, Blake was sure as hell in there for more than one play. I saw him doing his one arm misses. I'll get the snap count shortly.

[lipps83]

People that don't see a problem with the lack of playoff appearances and one and done in the playoffs is kinda disturbing. Lol.

Yeah, it is kind of odd. I got a lot of flack around here for saying the pass defense was atrocious after Manziel lit them up (but unable to put up points because, well, they are the Browns and don't know how to score). The Steelers won that game and only gave up 9 points, so the fact that Manziel put up more yard than he ever will in his entire career they said was completely irrelevant.

It was very relevant and has been a huge problem for years but masked by smoke and mirrors for as long as possible. It is now so bad that you can no longer hide it and teams can and have brought in nobodies and can light up the defense like a Christmas tree on fire. Complacency is what led to this problem and complacency is why Tomlin will be the coach for another 10 years. Nobody cares to fix it because apparently things are 'good enough'.

[zulater]

Ok, so now we take a vote, and if the vote goes as expected then who among us goes and breaks the news to Tomlin that we let him go?

[st33lersguy]

The tragic thing is that Big Ben's prime is being wasted on a coach who can't evaluate secondary talent and who loves to lose to crappy teams. 3rd missed playoff appearance in 4 years. Unacceptable with a franchise QB. All he had to do was beat two teams with a combined 7 wins with a red hot offense and one of the best QBs in the league, and he couldn't do it. Enough is enough Tomlin! And why is he going for it on 4th and 1 in field goal range an accurate kicker? Did that make too much sense?

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9 seasons under Tomlin, only 2 of them led to playoff wins

[NCSteeler]

^ Can somebody decipher this post for me? I can't decode it and I'm afraid I might lose sleep wondering about it.
Thanks,
-Slashy

Your welcome


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[ETL]

I know it's the coaches job to motivate and scheme properly but games like today - it's a matter of veteran leadership more than the coaches.

[Shoes]

Well now you're just lying, he was in on 1 play as far anyone saw.

As far as anyone saw? I think your lying, Blake was sure as hell in there for more than one play. I saw him doing his one arm misses. I'll get the snap count shortly.

Blake played at least an hour into the game... can't find the snap counts yet, but if he was only in on one play as you said, he missed the tackle because I clearly saw that.

[JKLTO]

Tomlin didn't lose the game. However, I did see a number of dudes standing around in Steelers uniforms not doing their jobs.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Tomlin’s overconfidence costs Steelers in loss to Baltimore

by JUSTIN RUOFF



Nameless, gray faces.

That is the term Pittsburgh Steelers coach Mike Tomlin likes to use when talking about his upcoming opponent. In his mind, it is a way of eliminating distractions and it helps his team focus primarily on their play. As a result, we’ve heard Tomlin use this phrase hundreds of times during his tenure as the Steelers’ head coach.

On Sunday though, it cost him.

The Steelers went into Baltimore this week looking to cement their position in the playoffs with an easy victory over their rival, who are down on their luck. The Ravens had lost their last three games by a combined score of 82-35 and started a quarterback who just joined the team 10 days ago. So, naturally, the Steelers were a 10-point favorite, despite being on the road.

Unfortunately for Pittsburgh though, it wasn’t the easy game everyone expected. The Steelers struggled to get going on offense and ended up losing the game 20-17. The loss puts the Steelers on the outside looking in for the playoffs with just one-week left to play. They’ll need to win their last game against the Browns next week and they’ll need the Jets to lose in Buffalo.

But it shouldn’t have been this way. The Steelers should have rolled over the Ravens as everyone expected. Honestly, they would have if it weren’t for a questionable first quarter decision by Tomlin.

To start the game, Pittsburgh got the football first and immediately started to dominate with the running game. They marched down the field, but were eventually faced with a relatively short fourth down on the Ravens’ 25-yard line.

At this point, Tomlin could have easily sent his kicker out and given the Steelers an early lead. Although Pittsburgh had their problems with kickers early in the season, Chris Boswell has quickly become one of the more reliable kickers in the NFL for the Steelers. He’s made 26 out of the 28 kicks he has attempted, which is good for the sixth best percentage in the NFL.

But instead of taking the three points, Tomlin left his offense on the field and attempted to get the first down. Pittsburgh ran the ball with DeAngelo Williams, but he was held up short and the Steelers came away from the first drive empty handed.

Now I understand the logic behind this decision. The Steelers were running the ball very efficiently and it didn’t seem like Baltimore could stop them. There was really no reason to think they wouldn’t get the one-yard.

The problem is the Ravens gained a lot of confidence by stopping Pittsburgh. It was confidence they hadn’t felt it quite some time. It gave them momentum for the first time in weeks and it drastically changed the game. No longer was it a game between a 9-5 team and a 4-10 team. It was now a rivalry game.

And that was exactly what Pittsburgh didn’t want to happen. The three points would have kept the Ravens’ confidence down and risking that was not worth the risk. It certainly wasn’t in this case, as Pittsburgh ended up losing by, oddly enough, three points.

Hopefully the decision doesn’t cost the Steelers a playoff spot.

http://www.todayspigskin.com/afc-tod...-to-baltimore/

[Steeldude]

I know it's the coaches job to motivate and scheme properly but games like today - it's a matter of veteran leadership more than the coaches.

They really don't have any quality, veteran leaders on the team, at least on defense. The defense is in dire need of one. The last leader on defense was probably Lloyd, but I would go further back and say Lambert. Lambert was a physical as well as a cerebral leader. Lambert knew the game. I know people will say Porter was a leader, but he was more of a loudmouth than a true leader.

IMO, Harrison should play 90%+ of the snaps vs. the Browns. The defense feeds off of him. They need to get him going. Jones is just a waste to have on the field. I would rather see Blake than Jones.

[zoneblitzerII]

Something has GOT to change AND you can't fire all the players. Mike just has to go. That's it, plain and simple. He has presided over too many of these gutless, inept performances against league piñatas. Sure it's the players and the leadership group. But you can't axe Ben and co. This has happened far too many times under Coach T. If he has to pay for Ben's ineptitude so be it. He's had a good run. Now get some fresh eyes in there to see what they can salvage for Ben's remaining years....Or they can continue to be patient and watch the club underperform against crap teams and when it really matters.

[86WARD]

Ok, so now we take a vote, and if the vote goes as expected then who among us goes and breaks the news to Tomlin that we let him go?

Tee Tee

[Drazo85]

I agree that Steelers are annoying to watch under Tomlin. They are going to kill me if they continue to play down to opponents like they did yesterday, and last season, and season before that etc. I agree that Steelers are maybe wasting prime years of their franchise quarterback. I agree that mediocrity is frustrating. But for a second we must put our feelings aside and include simple logic while analysing current situation.
1) Firing Tomlin- there are reasons to fire him, okay, i can pretend i understand it. What after that? We all agree that Rooney's basically hit the jackpot with last three head coaches. They can not hit jackpot with every coaching hire. They are bound to miss. Ben has, what, 3,5,7 years left? Firing everybody and starting with a new head coach is risky. What if the risk doesnt payoff? What if a new guy leave a mess? Remember Josh McDaniels and Denver? What if someone similar is hired? What if if new guy dismantles the core group? Remember Chargers firing Schottenheimer after 14-2 season and hiring Norv Turner? Be carefull what you wish for, it may came through.
2) Tomlin has a .64 career wining percentage and only active coaches that are better than him are belicheat and McCarthy. He has two super bowl appearances and hasn't had a losing season yet. His playoff record is not as good, but its above .50 with five wins and four loses (McCarthy is 7-6). We all know that Tomlin inherited almost all of his coaching staff from previous regime, and that Rooneys forced Arians to "retire", kept LeBeau two or three seasons too long, hired Bicknell to kill Ben and all of our linemen, hired Haley, are keeping Smith etc. Tomlin is a perfect match for the Rooneys and you are delusional if you think he has the uper hand in deciding who are Steelers going to fire, hire, keep, draft, sign. He can suggest, but he cant decide.
3) Wasting franchise quarterback-We all know Ben isnt Marino, Manning, Brady, Rogers, Montana, Young... Who is he than? He is a gunslinger, a guy that can bring you to the sky, but can also bring you to the ground. And Steelers are his reflection. Unpredictable. He can make a toughest throw-Steelers can beat toughest team. He can make stupidest interception-Steelers can lose to Buccaneers at home. You live with, you die with him. I know i am simplifying things, but at end of the day it is what you get from him.
4) Superbowl wins are hard to come by even with franchise quarterbacks. Manning, Favre, Warner,Brees have one. Marino, Kelly, Moon, Fouts, Tarkenton etc have none. It shows how hard is to win in this league. Some of the greatest QBs have one to none Superbowl title. It's hard. I dont want to elaborate what were the coaching situations with that QBs, and their franchises (maybe i should, maybe there are patterns, but i leave that to someone how wants to debate this with me)

[Shoes]

Well now you're just lying, he was in on 1 play as far anyone saw.

As far as anyone saw? I think your lying, Blake was sure as hell in there for more than one play. I saw him doing his one arm misses. I'll get the snap count shortly.

Blake played at least an hour into the game... can't find the snap counts yet, but if he was only in on one play as you said, he missed the tackle because I clearly saw that.

Blake played 41 defensive snaps yesterday before leaving the game about halftime. Now I'll try and get some clips for you.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2015/12...ounts-week-16/

[TD's & Beer]

Something has GOT to change AND you can't fire all the players. Mike just has to go. That's it, plain and simple. He has presided over too many of these gutless, inept performances against league piñatas.

Yep

Arrogance and chest thumping lost this game.

They came out running the ball and instead of taking the 3 pts (which they would need later) they beat their chests and got stuffed on a 4th and 1.

The cockiness continued on defense. Ryan fucking Mallett ass raped the mighty Steelers D. Go read that in the press clippings.

[MrPgh]

I know it's the coaches job to motivate and scheme properly but games like today - it's a matter of veteran leadership more than the coaches.

Once again someone makes a post acting like this is the first time a Tomlin-coached team lost to a lesser team. Off the top of my head I can think of at least 15 games the Steelers under Tomlin lost that they shouldn't have, and most of them you can't blame on poor QB play.

[Steelman]

To be clear, I'm not on the "Fire Tomlin!!!" bandwagon. But his comments after the game about "we learned a painful lesson" really bothered me. How many years in a row do we have to learn this particularly painful lesson?

I also don't believe the game hinged on going for it on 4th down on that first drive. Momentum shifting? Yes. But there were 3-1/2 quarters after that where the whole team sucked ass. There were multiple blown opportunities to swing the game back in our favor not to mention the fact the defense looked like an army of five-year-old boys playing soccer.

The bottom line is this game was a team loss if I ever saw one. From Mike Tomlin at the top to Jacoby Jones at the bottom. I'm not saying don't hold Tomlin accountable. I believe he should, as it's part of his job. But I also know the players played like shit. Even if we had the most amazing ground-breaking game plan ever, I think we still would have lost.

[zulater]

Tomlin deserves plenty of criticism today. But the whole "fire Tomlin" thing is ridiculous. You take that talk anywhere outside a Steelers mb and you're laughed at. Dismissed as a knee jerk no nothing idiot. Outside of Arains ( at the moment if they fail in the playoffs just wait for the whining) either Harbitch, and Bellichick there's no coach in or out of the NFL you can make a slam dunk argument is better than him. I'm not saying that he's the 5th best coach in the league necessarily. But for every coach outside of the aforementioned you bring up I can poke as many holes in their resume as you can in Tomln's. Coaching in this league may be at an all time low. I mean in Noll's day you had Landry, Shula, Walsh, Bud Grant, Chuck Knox, John Madden etc...

Anyway I get it. I feel your pain, I've heard the arguments and agree with them to some extent... we're wasting the prime of a great qb's career... "he won withCowher's players"... lose to bad teams etc... But at the end of the day the guy's never had a losing season. Despite losing 40% of his starting o-line for the majority of the season, despite losing his qb for a full month he's probably going to win 10 games this year. ( anyone think Pouncey and Beachum's loss wasn't felt yesterday?) He's not getting fired folks. The players like and respect him. He's got a good coaching staff. It's not going to happen this year, and most likely not next either. So it's a futile thought. You're pissing in the ocean, spitting on a 5 alarm fire. It's foolhardy to even think Tomlin's job could be in jeopardy. In a way this thread reminds me of so many facebook posts predicting the arrest and or impeachment of Obama. You might not like him. There's probably even some rationale cause to doing both. But you're doing nothing but making as ass of yourself if you for a minute think it might actually happen, that your joining on to the cause is going to foment change.

Oh well I guess if it makes you feel better in the moment to advocate for lost causes have fun.

[polamalubeast]

Firstly,Mike McCarty in Green Bay deserves to be on the hot seat, but at least his team make the playoffs every year since 2009.

Losing against a 4-10 team with the playoffs on the line this is not acceptable. Missed the playoffs three times in four years is very painful.Very painful.

Worse than losing in the AFC title game at home, it's not even close.

[zulater]

Firstly,Mike McCarty in Green Bay deserves to be on the hot seat, but at least his team make the playoffs every year since 2009.

Losing against a 4-10 team with the playoffs on the line this is not acceptable. Missed the playoffs three times in four years is very painful.Very painful.

Worse than losing in the AFC title game at home, it's not even close.

Outside of being assured a playoff spot due to being in an inferior conference and division, if you're a Packer how good are you feeling about your team today? They got horsewhipped yesterday by the Cardinals! They had to pull their qb to preserve his life. They have less chance of winning a Super bowl today than the Steelers! Yeah I said it and I mean it. Because while the odds are still stacked against them making it in to the playoffs we know that if they do get in they can rise to the level of anyone and put up a good game. The Packers wont stand a chance against anyone in the playoffs other than the Redskins.

By the way Tomlin bashers. When the Ravens punted into the endzone, 3 minutes left in the game, and the Steelers offense coming on to the field trailing by 3, you're team is in position to at the very least take the game to OT. I thought they might win it there. But they didn't. The players fell short. We allowed a sack ( after a nice first down), then followed that up with two deep passes either of which could have been caught by the receivers, and the game was over.

Sometimes you lose. It shouldn't have happened but it did.

[steelreserve]

Tomlin deserves plenty of criticism today. But the whole "fire Tomlin" thing is ridiculous. You take that talk anywhere outside a Steelers mb and you're laughed at. Dismissed as a knee jerk no nothing idiot. Outside of Arains ( at the moment if they fail in the playoffs just wait for the whining) either Harbitch, and Bellichick there's no coach in or out of the NFL you can make a slam dunk argument is better than him. I'm not saying that he's the 5th best coach in the league necessarily. But for every coach outside of the aforementioned you bring up I can poke as many holes in their resume as you can in Tomln's. Coaching in this league may be at an all time low. I mean in Noll's day you had Landry, Shula, Walsh, Bud Grant, Chuck Knox, John Madden etc...

Anyway I get it. I feel your pain, I've heard the arguments and agree with them to some extent... we're wasting the prime of a great qb's career... "he won withCowher's players"... lose to bad teams etc... But at the end of the day the guy's never had a losing season. Despite losing 40% of his starting o-line for the majority of the season, despite losing his qb for a full month he's probably going to win 10 games this year. ( anyone think Pouncey and Beachum's loss wasn't felt yesterday?) He's not getting fired folks. The players like and respect him. He's got a good coaching staff. It's not going to happen this year, and most likely not next either. So it's a futile thought. You're pissing in the ocean, spitting on a 5 alarm fire. It's foolhardy to even think Tomlin's job could be in jeopardy. In a way this thread reminds me of so many facebook posts predicting the arrest and or impeachment of Obama. You might not like him. There's probably even some rationale cause to doing both. But you're doing nothing but making as ass of yourself if you for a minute think it might actually happen, that your joining on to the cause is going to foment change.

Oh well I guess if it makes you feel better in the moment to advocate for lost causes have fun.

If we miss the playoffs three out of four years, I don't think it's ridiculous, nor do I think anyone is making an ass of himself by complaining. That's unacceptable, period. Even more unacceptable for a coach with the tools at his disposal that Tomlin has. Maybe if you hired someone for a rebuilding project with the understanding that he had a few years to shape the team ... but even then, patience would be starting to wear thin.

Funny that you would make the argument, earlier in this same thread, that we should "Pick five coaches we think are better than Tomlin, then go to those teams' message boards and see if the fans agree with you" ... then say that only Steelers fans will tell you Tomlin's not a good coach. Well - which one is it? Are the other teams' fans all wrong and "making asses of themselves" for complaining about their coaches? Or do the Tomlin haters have a legitimate argument? Pick one - you can't have both.

As for the likelihood of it happening, well, that is not up to us. But if you see a problem and don't say anything about it at all, then guess who's the jackass.

[Shoes]

I'd let him finish out his contract, but wouldn't offer him a new one.

[polamalubeast]

Outside of being assured a playoff spot due to being in an inferior conference and division, if you're a Packer how good are you feeling about your team today? They got horsewhipped yesterday by the Cardinals! They had to pull their qb to preserve his life. They have less chance of winning a Super bowl today than the Steelers! Yeah I said it and I mean it. Because while the odds are still stacked against them making it in to the playoffs we know that if they do get in they can rise to the level of anyone and put up a good game. The Packers wont stand a chance against anyone in the playoffs other than the Redskins.

By the way Tomlin bashers. When the Ravens punted into the endzone, 3 minutes left in the game, and the Steelers offense coming on to the field trailing by 3, you're team is in position to at the very least take the game to OT. I thought they might win it there. But they didn't. The players fell short. We allowed a sack ( after a nice first down), then followed that up with two deep passes either of which could have been caught by the receivers, and the game was over.

Sometimes you lose. It shouldn't have happened but it did.

This is one of the reason why I wrote that their HC deserves to be on the hot seat.But Jordy Nelson missed the entire season and they had no one to replace him.

But this is certain McCarty deserve to be on the hot seat since 2 playoff win since 2011 (one of his wins were against Joe Webb and the Vikings) with Rodgers is not enough, but I'd rather be in place of the Packers that the steelers right now.

Since at least the Packers have not missed the playoffs since 2011 and they have been in the Divisional Round 3 times in 4 years and since 2012 the Packers have lost against a better team than them in the playoffs.

The Steelers, that is a another story in the same period

[fansince'76]

This is one of the reason why I wrote that their HC deserves to be on the hot seat.But Jordy Nelson missed the entire season and they had no one to replace him.

Well, if we're going to start using the injuries excuse, we had Mike Vick and Landry Jones under center for 1/4 of the season. How many games did Rodgers miss? And we've been without the services of arguably the best all-around RB in the league for the majority of the season. Not to mention our All-Pro center and our starting LT. As zu mentioned, think those two weren't missed yesterday?

And "making the playoffs every year but falling short" only worked for Cowher up until around 1997. After that, people screamed for his head pretty much constantly until he finally managed to win a Super Bowl 8 years later.

[tube517]

I'd let him finish out his contract, but wouldn't offer him a new one.

He's signed through 2018.

[zulater]

This is one of the reason why I wrote that their HC deserves to be on the hot seat.But Jordy Nelson missed the entire season and they had no one to replace him.

But this is certain McCarty deserve to be on the hot seat since 2 playoff win since 2011 (one of his wins were against Joe Webb and the Vikings) with Rodgers is not enough, but I'd rather be in place of the Packers that the steelers right now.

Since at least the Packers have not missed the playoffs since 2011 and they have been in the Divisional Round 3 times in 4 years and since 2012 the Packers have lost against a better team than them in the playoffs.

The Steelers, that is a another story in the same period

Assuming we win next week, that's 21 wins in the last two seasons. Yeah we probably wont make the playoffs, but I think in the history of the current playoff format a 10 win season adds up to about a 93% playoff chance. So off the last two seasons you're firing a coach who's already been to two Super Bowls? And you bring up Jordy Nelson. Well what about losing Pouncey before the season started? Losing Beachum? Losing Bell? I mean all told I think Bell and Ben were on the field together for a total of about 20 snaps this season. If I told you that was going to be the case in August wouldn't you have signed on for a 10 win season?

[steelreserve]

Assuming we win next week, that's 21 wins in the last two seasons. Yeah we probably wont make the playoffs, but I think in the history of the current playoff format a 10 win season adds up to about a 93% playoff chance. So off the last two seasons you're firing a coach who's already been to two Super Bowls? And you bring up Jordy Nelson. Well what about losing Pouncey before the season started? Losing Beachum? Losing Bell? I mean all told I think Bell and Ben were on the field together for a total of about 20 snaps this season. If I told you that was going to be the case in August wouldn't you have signed on for a 10 win season?

Don't go counting your chickens just yet - we're only at 9 wins. And would I sign on for 10 wins and missing the playoffs (again)? Hell no I wouldn't.

If you're arguing that it's fine to continue winning nothing and making excuses, and we should all shut up and like it, then sorry, but that's a bunch of crap. There's always an excuse. There are always various twists and turns, including injuries. We've lost at least one starting offensive lineman for the season just about every year, so I don't even think that's a big deal; it's just part of the game and happens to a lot of teams.

We've had adversity, but so do most teams. How well did we deal with it? Not well enough. Would I have signed up for that? Not a chance.