FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!!

[Craic]

And unlike today's coaches, he could coach every single position on the field with competency . .

I think that's more due to the complexity of the game today. I'm mean, just thinking about the Dline, back then, they rushed against a line that basically put their arms up, grabbed their own jersey, and tried to stay in the way of the defender. Yes, they did gapping and other things, but today's coaches also have to get Dlines to work on defending against the hand punch, leverage against what was called holding back then, etc. etc. It's like anything else. What was cutting edge back then is part of the basic skillset now, and a ton more has been added, which is why there's so many specialty coaches anymore.

[teegre]

Fair enough teegre.

I will disagree slightly one thing though. Noll wasn't perfect, but damn was he good.Looking back in retrospect he made some terrible personell moves. Sometimes his loyalty outweighed his commons sense. For instance I had a neighbor who was one of the ground crew at 3 Rivers. He said at the time when Mark Malone was given shot after shot to hold the qb job that one of the reasons Noll kept with it was because he felt guilty that Malone blew out his knee playing wr at Noll's request. People don't remember Malone was one of the fastest guys on the team prior to blowing out his knee. Genuine 4.5 speed when that was a rarity. Anyway Noll felt he owed Mark more of a chance than what his talent after the injury warranted. Also there were examples of keeping a washed up Dwight White over an emerging Dwayne Board. etc...

But to the point. Talent aside. Find me the team or the time Noll got beat by an inferior team? Very rare. His record as a favorite was virtually without parallel.He got the most out of the talent he had. And unlike today's coaches, he could coach every single position on the field with competency . .

Awesome Mark Malone story. I did not know that.

Alas, I think that some people remember two things about Noll, which clouds their judgement of him.

1. He passed on Dan Marino.

2. The playoff drought in the 80s.

TEE: What do you remember about Noll?
FAN1: He sucked... he passed on Dan Marino.
TEE: What about his four SuperBowl victories?
FAN1: Did I stutter??? I said that he sucked!!!

:smh:

[zulater]

Awesome Mark Malone story. I did not know that.

Alas, I think that some people remember two things about Noll, which clouds their judgement of him.

1. He passed on Dan Marino.

2. The playoff drought in the 80s.

TEE: What do you remember about Noll?
FAN1: He sucked... he passed on Dan Marino.
TEE: What about his four SuperBowl victories?
FAN1: Did I stutter??? I said that he sucked!!!

:smh:

Someone in the Steelers organization bought into the rumor that Marino was a coke head. First off I don't think they thought he would fall to them. but when he did then the rumor became self perpetuating, with everyone in the NFL thinking the other team's must now something they didn't. Anyway with Noll's previous dealing with the extremely talented but drug addled Joe Gilliam just the hint that Marino might have some involvement with drugs that was all that Noll needed to steer clear of Dan.

I don't know if there was ever any truth to the rumors? Because it was the early 80's and coke was the club drug of the day. It wasn't uncommon that's for sure. Sad to say myself and most of the people I hung with at the time (I'm 55 one year older than Dan) did coke occasionally and sometimes more often than that. But honestly I doubt he did. He was more of a jock, he liked his beer, I think he was a straight shooter in that sense.

What they didn't know then, what became painfully obvious within a couple years of Dan's departure from Pitt was that his senior season drop off was all about what a crappy head coach Foge Fazio was. Going from Jackie Sherrill to nice guy Foge, who couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag, was what accounted for Marino's terrible season. Had Dan come along a few years later he would have left school after his Jr. season and been a top 5 pick.

Anyway long story short to paraphrase the Lemony Snicketts books, it was a series of unfortunate events that led to the Steelers not drafting Dan Marino. I never held it against Noll. It was just the times and the history with Gilliam. .

[zulater]

I think that's more due to the complexity of the game today. I'm mean, just thinking about the Dline, back then, they rushed against a line that basically put their arms up, grabbed their own jersey, and tried to stay in the way of the defender. Yes, they did gapping and other things, but today's coaches also have to get Dlines to work on defending against the hand punch, leverage against what was called holding back then, etc. etc. It's like anything else. What was cutting edge back then is part of the basic skillset now, and a ton more has been added, which is why there's so many specialty coaches anymore.

Maybe, but funny enough the guy most credited for improving Kelvin Beachum was Noll disciple Tunch Ilkin. Tunch taught Beachum how to punch out, and how to use better leverage and refined his footwork.

[Craic]

Maybe, but funny enough the guy most credited for improving Kelvin Beachum was Noll disciple Tunch Ilkin. Tunch taught Beachum how to punch out, and how to use better leverage and refined his footwork.

Yeah, but Tunch was an O lineman who played precisely during the years where many of those changes and shifts began taking place. More interesting, about three years into Ilkin's career, the Steelers hired their first OC (maybe ever?). I have to wonder if that was partly because of the specialization of the game.

[teegre]

Someone in the Steelers organization bought into the rumor that Marino was a coke head. First off I don't think they thought he would fall to them. but when he did then the rumor became self perpetuating, with everyone in the NFL thinking the other team's must now something they didn't. Anyway with Noll's previous dealing with the extremely talented but drug addled Joe Gilliam just the hint that Marino might have some involvement with drugs that was all that Noll needed to steer clear of Dan.

I don't know if there was ever any truth to the rumors? Because it was the early 80's and coke was the club drug of the day. It wasn't uncommon that's for sure. Sad to say myself and most of the people I hung with at the time (I'm 55 one year older than Dan) did coke occasionally and sometimes more often than that. But honestly I doubt he did. He was more of a jock, he liked his beer, I think he was a straight shooter in that sense.

What they didn't know then, what became painfully obvious within a couple years of Dan's departure from Pitt was that his senior season drop off was all about what a crappy head coach Foge Fazio was. Going from Jackie Sherrill to nice guy Foge, who couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag, was what accounted for Marino's terrible season. Had Dan come along a few years later he would have left school after his Jr. season and been a top 5 pick.

Anyway long story short to paraphrase the Lemony Snicketts books, it was a series of unfortunate events that led to the Steelers not drafting Dan Marino. I never held it against Noll. It was just the times and the history with Gilliam. .

That is an excellent breakdown of the Marino incident. Excellent.

Now... we just need to have every disgruntled Steelers fan read that. I'll start but cutting & pasting it into an email to my dad (30 years, and he's still angry).

[49ers44steelers3]

Keep Uncle Tomlin and Big Blow, San Francisco owns these two clowns, and will have home field advantage in Penisburgh, expect 20,00 San Francisco fans, Steeler fans are lame and weak, and usually hide at the site of San Francisco fan.

[steel striker]

Look FS76 said it best they should have scored 40 points last week against the cheats Brown torched Butler all night but, we once again killed our-self in the red zone. Plus the cheats defense has almost as holes as the steelers defense has. Lets see what happens this Sunday against the niners.

[fansince'76]

Keep Uncle Tomlin and Big Blow, San Francisco owns these two clowns, and will have home field advantage in Penisburgh, expect 20,00 San Francisco fans, Steeler fans are lame and weak, and usually hide at the site of San Francisco fan.

Funny, thought it was a school day. Stop misusing the junior high school library's computer, kid.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Keep Uncle Tomlin and Big Blow, San Francisco owns these two clowns, and will have home field advantage in Penisburgh, expect 20,00 San Francisco fans, Steeler fans are lame and weak, and usually hide at the site of San Francisco fan.

perhaps you should ask your Mommy to double-check your posts for errors before you send them and embarrass yourself...

[teegre]

Keep Uncle Tomlin and Big Blow, San Francisco owns these two clowns, and will have home field advantage in Penisburgh, expect 20,00 San Francisco fans, Steeler fans are lame and weak, and usually hide at the site of San Francisco fan.

From the scent of your post, I deduce that you must be from Gilroy.

From the spelling, I'd guess that you went to school in Oakland.

And, from your subtle racism, I believe that you are a tour guide in Chinatown.

[TD's & Beer]

A 49ers fan?

I knew I smelled something

[fansince'76]

From the scent of your post, I deduce that you must be from Gilroy.

From the spelling, I'd guess that you went to school in Oakland.

And, from your subtle racism, I believe that you are a tour guide in Chinatown.

Sleuth Badge winner!

[teegre]

Sleuth Badge winner!

[tube517]

Keep Uncle Tomlin and Big Blow, San Francisco owns these two clowns, and will have home field advantage in Penisburgh, expect 20,00 San Francisco fans, Steeler fans are lame and weak, and usually hide at the site of San Francisco fan.

[st33lersguy]

Keep Uncle Tomlin and Big Blow, San Francisco owns these two clowns, and will have home field advantage in Penisburgh, expect 20,00 San Francisco fans, Steeler fans are lame and weak, and usually hide at the site of San Francisco fan.

Tomlin and Ben are now 2-1 against the 49ers. In two meetings in Pittsburgh against those 2, the 49ers have been outscored 80-34. So much for the 49ers owning those two

[86WARD]

Tomlin. Possibly the biggest dope on the planet...

[Edman]

Can't defend this atrocity.

[Craic]

You guys are absolutely hilarious with your Tomlin Hate.

There's one goat tonight, and that's Scobee. He failed, hard. So hard he couldn't be trusted. Oh, and knowing how our special teams blows coverage at the most inopportune times, you want to trust THEM in OT? But go on hating if it makes you feel any better.

[Edman]

You guys are absolutely hilarious with your Tomlin Hate.

There's one goat tonight, and that's Scobee. He failed, hard. So hard he couldn't be trusted. Oh, and knowing how our special teams blows coverage at the most inopportune times, you want to trust THEM in OT? But go on hating if it makes you feel any better.

Scobee is the goat for missing the kick.

Tomlin is the goat for being stupid enough to trust him again, knowing how terrible he is.

[teegre]

You guys are absolutely hilarious with your Tomlin Hate.

There's one goat tonight, and that's Scobee. He failed, hard. So hard he couldn't be trusted. Oh, and knowing how our special teams blows coverage at the most inopportune times, you want to trust THEM in OT? But go on hating if it makes you feel any better.

Exactly.

People want to trust Scobee to kick a 50 yard FG.

[Craic]

Scobee is the goat for missing the kick.

Tomlin is the goat for being stupid enough to trust him again, knowing how terrible he is.

Unfortunately, there's not much you can do at certain points but send your kicker out there, even in a 50/50 shot. But of all the questioning of Tomlin's decisions, yeah, that one I can see the most credence in.

[zoneblitzerII]

He's a good cheerleader but a dunce of a coach, a literal dunce. The sooner we move on from him, the better.

[86WARD]

Exactly.

People want to trust Scobee to kick a 50 yard FG.

No. But you don't throw the ball on 4th & 1 and if you are going to throw, you don't run a pass play like that...lol. And on the other 4th down, he should have punted...two dumb mistakes by the head coach that lost the game...along side the kicker.

[steel9guy]

YOU KICK THE FREAKEN FIELD GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEVER BEEN THIS FREAKEN MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Craic]

YOU KICK THE FREAKEN FIELD GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEVER BEEN THIS FREAKEN MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you even watch the game? You want to send Scobee out there, again?

[86WARD]

You don't kick the FG with Scobee back there. You call better plays.

[steel9guy]

Did you even watch the game? You want to send Scobee out there, again?

Over throwing a pass to Antonio Brown with a running and shaky QB. Scobee has to make one sometime.

[teegre]

No. But you don't throw the ball on 4th & 1 and if you are going to throw, you don't run a pass play like that...lol. And on the other 4th down, he should have punted...two dumb mistakes by the head coach that lost the game...along side the kicker.

AB was open. It was a routine throw.

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You don't kick the FG with Scobee back there. You call better plays.

Such as... one to your best player... who is open.

Check & check.

[zoneblitzerII]

Exactly.

People want to trust Scobee to kick a 50 yard FG.

The logic in that is as follows:
if the kick is good you win the game.
if not you still turn over the field.
if you go for it and do not make it, you turn over possession.
if you go for it and make it, you prolong possession.
One play absolutely ensures victory in that scenario, unequivocally. And that is why the announcers were a bit stunned as to why the "Coach", chose not to go for it.
now, you can say the kicker is struggling and he sucks yadda yadda, but, he is, after all, an experienced long range kicker who has shown to be physically capable of performing such feats AND in sports, you usually allow players to work through their struggles to achieve success on the field.
given all of these factors, the computer says kick no matter how much it makes you want to gag. You kick to win the game.