Not even close.Originally Posted by El Kabong
Not even close.
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Better question would be Dawson <> Webster.
My opinion: Dawson was actually a better overall center. He could do thinks like pulling from the center position that Webster could not do. However, I think Webster was more dominate in his era. Very few centers could handle Dt's one on one consistently in his era and that fact that Webster was able to do that was part of the secret sauce of the Steelers run game back in the day.
Watching a replay of Cowboys Steelers SB
Imagining the GameDay thread comments.
Dorsett has 50 yards rushing before the end of the first quarter.
Couoleof badly missed blocks
Multiple wide-open receivers
Also everyone LOOKS SO SLOW.
People would have been jumping off of high ledges and declaring the game to be over after the Hegman/Henderson strip sack of Bradshaw for a TD that put the Cowboys up 14-7 early in the 2nd quarter. Not to mention the late comeback attempt that fell short when the Cowboys pretty much had stolen back all the momentum.
For sure!
Too often people talk like those teams never made mistakes. Every time I see replays from that era; they're are lots of mistakes and/orguys getting beat. Just like any game ever.
But those teams had just so many incredible playmakers that they could almost overcome anything.
It was fun to watch.
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Wow, this place is loading slow. You are spot on though. I still think the Steelers of the 70's had the greatest defense of all time because its dominance lasted longer than the Ravens or the Bears. Still, fans look back today and don't realize that even the greatest get had from time to time. Along with examples above, I seem to remember that OJ Simpson ran for 200+ yards on the "Steel Curtain" (who he was running from remains unknown). Also, I remember what Dan Fouts and the Chargers did to them towards the end of the 79 season. It might have been very fortunate that the Oilers upset the Chargers in the playoffs that year. Handling the Oilers and Earl (pinch between my cheek and gum) Campbell was something we were still good at.
Yeah...I am having nostalgia for dial-up...but anyways...those are some good examples.
For me, it confirms something I have been kinda thinking for a long time...those '70's teams are no longer remembered accurately by most fans. And that is understandable. They are remembered for their dominance and brilliance but we've forgotten about their (few) faults and mistakes. The Cowher era will soon be like that as well.
Basically when people gripe about the current state of the Steelers using these other eras as comparisons....it gets pretty hazy.
Also...while there were some incredible achievements and athletes on both sides in the game....the overall size./speed/strength is just so much more in the current NFL. It was really evident.
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When telling a story from childhood I always start with, this is from a child's memory. What you say is the very reason why I do that. My mother and I can tell the same story about the same event from my childhood and it is two totally different experiences.
Those 70's Steelers were the very definition of championship football in my world. I did not care what the Packers or Dolphins had done prior. When the 49ers had their run I was convinced our team was still better. I think maybe the '95 SB is what completely shattered the illusion for me.
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Oh, some of the playoff games back in the 70s were sloppy. One playoff game vs the Colts they had 5 turnovers but won. Then the AFCC game vs the Raiders they had 7 turnovers and squeaked by 16-10. The 79 team was the sloppiest. Led the league with 50+ turnovers for the season. Fire NOLL! They left a 100 points on the field!
The Steelers of the 1970's regularly won Super Bowls. The Steelers of the 2020's have yet to win a single playoff game.
What's hazy about that comparison? Seems pretty clear to me.
P.S. Many thanks to whoever fixed the "slow-loading" problem.
Was that the one where the plane crashed into the stands?
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SB wins in the 70's
None in the 80's
None in the 90's
SB wins in the 2000's
None in the 2010's
So far none in the 2020's
I'm seeing a developing pattern.
Personally, I get tired of people not remembering that whatever era they choose to lionize as the "gold standard" had a ton of mistakes and missed assignments along with whatever they liked about it. It isn't like those 70's SB teams played mistake free football every minute of every game for a decade. In just the one SB replay I watched for a bit this past weekend, there were multiple missed OL blocks, several coverages where a defender got absolutely roasted, and things like that. When those things happen now, people rush out and say things like "Noll would've never let this happen." or "Cowher didn't tolerate this nonsense". Or whatever.The Steelers of the 1970's regularly won Super Bowls. The Steelers of the 2020's have yet to win a single playoff game.
What's hazy about that comparison? Seems pretty clear to me.
P.S. Many thanks to whoever fixed the "slow-loading" problem.
Another example is that Dorsett rushed for 50+ yards before the end of the first quarter. When that happens now, people freak right the heck out about slow starts and poor coaching etc. But do we all just forget these things happened to the 70's Dynasty teams or is it somehow different when they did it?
I also get that comparisons between 5 decades difference of football is hard to do. It is barely even the same sport. But I do think we all remember the glory and achievements of our favorite eras of Steelers football and forget the pitfalls and lowlights.
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Drafting the next big thing at QB in 2026 would put things on a path that aligns with the pattern...
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We went from 1979 until 2004 without winning a SB. Should have sold the team.
No playoff wins in the 2017 season.
No playoff wins in the 2018 season.
No playoff wins in the 2019 season.
No playoff wins in the 2020 season.
No playoff wins in the 2021 season.
No playoff wins in the 2022 season.
No playoff wins in the 2023 season.
No playoff wins in the 2024 season.
I'm seeing a developing pattern.
Straw man argument. Who here has ever said that the "gold standard" teams in Steelers history never made mistakes?
The actual point is that, unlike now, those "gold standard" teams did enough GOOD things to overcome those mistakes to the point that they were able to win playoff games and Super Bowls.
But during that stretch the longest that we went without at least winning a playoff game was four seasons.
As per usual, you've intentionally misunderstood the discussion in order to shoehorn in your only talking point.
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Lol. I've been talking about SB wins, and for some reason you keep replying to my posts with playoffs.
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The only way Tomlin is going to a SB is if he buys a ticket.Lol. I've been talking about SB wins, and for some reason you keep replying to my posts with playoffs.
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He must have done that twice already.
Yep, Cohwer took him the first time.
I didn't realize Cowher was still with the team in 2008.
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Three times counting with Tampa.
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I didn't realize he was a head coach in Tampa.
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Oh really? Here is what you posted.
Please tell me which people on here "don't remember" that the gold standard Steeler teams made mistakes, and show me their posts. This should be easy, since there must be many people who are regularly doing this since you are "getting tired" of them.
You were using your post about SB wins to imply that the failings of those teams during the era you mentioned (1979-2004) were comparable to the failings of the teams of today. I'm using playoff wins (actually non-wins) to point out that the Steelers recent failure to win playoff games hasn't been this bad since the bad old days before Chuck Noll became head coach.Lol. I've been talking about SB wins, and for some reason you keep replying to my posts with playoffs.
If he's going to count Tomlin as "going to a Super Bowl" when he was an assistant coach in Tampa, then I can sure as hell count Kenny as "going to a Super Bowl" when he was a backup in Philly.
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Again, you're not reading everything that's part of the discussion. Just the bits you want to use to make the same noises you always make.
In my opening post on this topic, I specifically reference GameDay threads and other immediate reaction type discussion/posts.
Everyone else was able to understand that. At this point either you have a reading comprehension issue or you're being intentionally obtuse.
Maybe an adult literacy program at your local library?
The statement was "The only way Tomlin is going to a Super Bowl is if he buys a ticket." I merely pointed out that Tomlin went to three Super Bowls without having to buy a ticket. I concede that Kenny didn't need to buy a ticket for the Super Bowl he went to, not that he had much to do with his team getting there and winning it. As secondary coach for the Bucs, I think Tomlin had more to do with the Bucs winning their Super Bowl than Kenny had to do with the Eagles winning theirs.If he's going to count Tomlin as "going to a Super Bowl" when he was an assistant coach in Tampa, then I can sure as hell count Kenny as "going to a Super Bowl" when he was a backup in Philly.
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The statement was "The only way Tomlin is going to a Super Bowl is if he buys a ticket." I see no requirement in that statement that Tomlin had to be a head coach.
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