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I would think LeBeau will be retiring at some point. It will be interesting to see what changes Butler brings…if any. I do wonder tho, since most of us think Butler is next in line, is he DC worthy? And do the Steelers take a look at other coaches that might be available when that time comes?
I think Butler automatically gets the nod at the DC position when LeBeau finally steps down because he's been patiently waiting for a good while now and he has turned down DC positions with other teams in the meantime (Dolphins in 2010, Colts in 2012).
Lake?
"It comes with the Territory" - Floyd 'Money' Mayweather
my understanding is that Butler is the man in waiting not only in the fans minds but organizationally as well and that some promises have been made ...
that being said , I am in no hurry for that day to come to fruition and would be perfectly happy with Lebeau until he no longer can coach
he takes far more than his share of lumps and many times ( most times actually ) undeservedly so ... his scheme is proven , his desire is evident , his knowledge unsurpassed ... his players as of late have just been under talented at some key areas ( not his fault he works with what he has ) and long in the tooth in other areas , again not his fault he can only play the men he has ...
the game has not passed him by in any manner IMO he is still the master
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I hope we can keep Lake once Butler inherits the DC position. Otherwise, another team (*cough* Arizona *cough*) would snatch him up in a hearbeat.Originally Posted by Steeltreal
We find that out this year. With all the speed up front on this defense, if LeBeau still plays a conservative, "tackle the catch" defense, then the game has indeed passed him by.
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i want to see a attacking D the past few years we sit and wait for things good or bad to happen I also hope Big Dan plays a lot his D starts with the NT eating blocks
For those i love i will sacrifice.
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So does anybody still think LeBeau is Teflon after today?
I don't. His reputation is stellar, legendary even. No one will ever be able to discredit everything he has done in his career. But at some point, results have to come before reputation. And the results the past 3+ seasons haven't been very good.
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I agree 100 % Thats the problem with getting old when your calling the shots (and even when your not). Change isn't easy and at 77, Dick isn't going to get better than his past. Anyone who thinks so has been watching too many John Wayne movies.
And it's up to the organization to grow some balls and be able to tell LeBeau it's time to move on.
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Hopefully they won't have to do that and he bows out after this season. Tomlin needs to do the same with Ike, but asap. This guy is going to cause a lot of grief this season if he remains a starter. You can count on Flacco throwing to Ike's side all Thursday night.
Hell, at this point if I were coach I would put Ike in the slot and move sweet Willie to the starting corner. That dude has shown up for two straight seasons thus far.
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A coach is only as good as the player he has working for him ....
the game has not passed him by ....
Many accused the game of passing Tom Landry by too , they fired him in Dallas for having just 10 wins in his final 2 seasons combined ... funny thing is his replacement Jimmy Johnson only managed 8 over the next two years and is regarded a hero for " turning them around "
Results are balanced against talent. LeBeau isn't the one not drafting CBs
So certainly you feel the same after Arians was fired, right? No way you'd have a double-standard!
That doesn't explain why the front 7 looked candy-ass soft too against the run.Results are balanced against talent. LeBeau isn't the one not drafting CBs
And this isn't just about talent, it's about schematics. When you aren't getting consistent pressure on the QB, you can't have the DBs give that much cushioning. Whenever the other teams goes high-tech, LeBeau simply has no answer. It's almost like he's become the Dan Bylsma of the Steelers defense - doesn't adjust, just does what he always does, even if it fails miserably.
No one can take away LeBeau's legacy, but right now his job needs to be on the line. If he can't fix this defense's problems as the season goes along, it's time for him to go.
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That doesn't mean that he doesn't have a say in it, which I'm sure he does.
I remember him saying back around the time of the draft that he was happy with the talent at CB that was already on the team.
“I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play!” - Jack Lambert
What is he gonna say? The CB's on this team are terrible do not have the size and speed to play press-man coverage and force me to play soft zones constantly? In fact we are so desperate for DB help that we are taking random fliers on 6th round picks and guys off the waiver wire? C'mon. He has to say that he has confidence in his guys that are in the meeting room. This is the same reason why Ben always talks about how bad-ass his o-line is. He knows they suck, but you can't say that shit.
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Saying that he has confidence in his current players is different. The talk was as if there was no reason to bring in other talent, which is B.S.
“I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play!” - Jack Lambert
That's the same thing. if you have confidence in the folks you lead, you are not looking to get new folks to lead. It is the GM's job to comment on roster construction and the coaches' jobs to pretend they are happy with whatever crap gets rolled out there. Is Rex Ryan happy with the beer vendors the Jets are currently starting at CB? Was Harbaugh happy with the stiffs the Ravens had on the offensive line and WR last year? Yet when asked, and asked repeatedly, they both express confidence and faith that the team can be highly successful with the present players.
My point is that we will never hear what these coaches actually think. For instance, who really thinks that Munchak is excited to work with a group of players he never had a hand in selecting and maybe have 2 Pro-Bowl caliber lineman amongst the top 9 guys that came to camp?
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At least Munchak has 2 Pro-Bowl caliber guys. There's no one close to that level in the CB group and yet we don't even try to improve them.
we waited till round 6 to get a CB yet Lake was over the top excited about getting him and talked like wow we got such a great player ( did not make the team ) its coach speak coaches always act like the guys they got are difference makers , they cant say our guys suck because those are the guys they are going to war with they have ot instill confidence at every turn to have any chance of getting improved play
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That's what fans are for.
That's what fans are for.
Yeah.... he's done.
I'd prefer a move away from the zone defense personally.
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We need to bring in outside blood. Our defense is a relic. No longer works in todays' NFL.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
Agreed. Whatever Butler may have been promised no longer matters. The blood is on his hands too. Time for a fresh perspective.
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Unfortunately, the game has passed by Lebeau. The proof is there in plain sight. This scheme just isn't working anymore.
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