NFL Announces Severe New Penalties For Domestic Violence

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Is that for cases with clearly documented and irrefutable video/physical evidence such as Rice's? Or does it also pertain to he-said/she-said cases when the wife/GF is pissed off/on the rag and who law enforcement usually automatically sides with?

Yup, that's a side of it I bet most of the people railing about this haven't considered. If they implement that rule in the typical "act first, find out the facts later" fashion (that is to say, Goodell's usual disciplinary procedure), it gives a HUGE amount of leverage to essentially blackmail a player, which is bound to happen one day. No, most women aren't like that, but there are enough of them out there, and pro athletes seem to attract them like flies on shit.

It's definitely going to blow up in his face. All he's done is put even more pressure on the league to play judge-and-jury in all of these cases and get every single one right, which they obviously won't be able to because even the REAL police and courts have a hard enough time with this genre. The first time the league decides to pursue this case but not that one, because they didn't think there was enough to go by, all the activists will be out there twice as hard, plus every fan with a rooting interest and a two-digit IQ will be screaming about favoritism and how they bet he wouldn't have gone so easy on _____ if he was on THEIR team. That's a nice can of worms you've opened up for yourself there, Roj, good luck with it.


Edit: Man, look at that post. And this is supposed to be a site about football. Talk about changing the game into Lawyerball. I swear, these "casual fans" must get half their enjoyment of the game from complaining about the rules and watching penalty flags be thrown.

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It's definitely going to blow up in his face. All he's done is put even more pressure on the league to play judge-and-jury in all of these cases and get every single one right, which they obviously won't be able to because even the REAL police and courts have a hard enough time with this genre. The first time the league decides to pursue this case but not that one, because they didn't think there was enough to go by, all the activists will be out there twice as hard, plus every fan with a rooting interest and a two-digit IQ will be screaming about favoritism and how they bet he wouldn't have gone so easy on _____ if he was on THEIR team. That's a nice can of worms you've opened up for yourself there, Roj, good luck with it.

Exactly. Not to mention following my hypothetical scenario out to its logical conclusion and he comes down hard on a player who was really innocent all along and he, as the judge, jury and executioner, and the league itself (rightly) get SUED THROUGH THE NOSE for it afterward.

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Yup, that's a side of it I bet most of the people railing about this haven't considered. If they implement that rule in the typical "act first, find out the facts later" fashion (that is to say, Goodell's usual disciplinary procedure), it gives a HUGE amount of leverage to essentially blackmail a player, which is bound to happen one day. No, most women aren't like that, but there are enough of them out there, and pro athletes seem to attract them like flies on shit.

It's definitely going to blow up in his face. All he's done is put even more pressure on the league to play judge-and-jury in all of these cases and get every single one right, which they obviously won't be able to because even the REAL police and courts have a hard enough time with this genre. The first time the league decides to pursue this case but not that one, because they didn't think there was enough to go by, all the activists will be out there twice as hard, plus every fan with a rooting interest and a two-digit IQ will be screaming about favoritism and how they bet he wouldn't have gone so easy on _____ if he was on THEIR team. That's a nice can of worms you've opened up for yourself there, Roj, good luck with it.


Edit: Man, look at that post. And this is supposed to be a site about football. Talk about changing the game into Lawyerball. I swear, these "casual fans" must get half their enjoyment of the game from complaining about the rules and watching penalty flags be thrown.

Welcome to the 21st century.

But yeah, I can definitely see this being exploited and eventually revised, because as I said, this is your typical media-hand-holding that Goodell usually does before he makes a decision. However, as 86WARD said, it's better than having virtually no precedent or penalties at all. I can also see this being extended to all forms of violence against women, which would have put Ben in the crosshairs if there was a similar penalty when he was chasing college girls in bathrooms.

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But yeah, I can definitely see this being exploited and eventually revised, because as I said, this is your typical media-hand-holding that Goodell usually does before he makes a decision. However, as 86WARD said, it's better than having virtually no precedent or penalties at all. I can also see this being extended to all forms of violence against women, which would have put Ben in the crosshairs if there was a similar penalty when he was chasing college girls in bathrooms.

That's just it...the Personal Conduct Policy was put in place for situations just like this. The bottom line is that Goodell's punishment of Rice was woefully inadequate, he was called on the carpet for it in the media, and these new "guidelines" are simply the result of another CYA move by Goodell to try and get them off his back. Same old shit, different day.

Like it or not, the precedent for this sort of thing (violence against women) was pretty much established back in 2010. Roethlisberger got 4 games (reduced from 6) for ACCUSATIONS. No charges, no arrest, ACCUSATIONS. Common sense, not to mention common decency, kind of dictates that Rice should have gotten at LEAST that many games considering that his channeling of the spirit of Evander Holyfield was CAUGHT ON CAMERA.

I can't wait until one of Goodell's rushes to (bad) judgment gets him and the league sued. Because it seems like 8 times out of 10 when the cops show up somewhere to answer a domestic violence call, they DO wind up arresting someone, and that someone is the man in the vast majority of those cases. And all it will take is for Goodell to prematurely drop the bomb on some player for six games because the player got arrested on a domestic violence charge only to have the charge dropped later.

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That's just it...the Personal Conduct Policy was put in place for situations just like this. The bottom line is that Goodell's punishment of Rice was woefully inadequate, he was called on the carpet for it in the media, and these new "guidelines" are simply the result of another CYA move by Goodell to try and get them off his back. Same old shit, different day.

Like it or not, the precedent for this sort of thing (violence against women) was pretty much established back in 2010. Roethlisberger got 4 games (reduced from 6) for ACCUSATIONS. No charges, no arrest, ACCUSATIONS. Common sense, not to mention common decency, kind of dictates that Rice should have gotten at LEAST that many games considering that his channeling of the spirit of Evander Holyfield was CAUGHT ON CAMERA.

I can't wait until one of Goodell's rushes to (bad) judgment gets him and the league sued. Because it seems like 8 times out of 10 when the cops show up somewhere to answer a domestic violence call, they DO wind up arresting someone, and that someone is the man in the vast majority of those cases. And all it will take is for Goodell to prematurely drop the bomb on some player for six games because the player got arrested on a domestic violence charge only to have the charge dropped later.

I wasn't even thinking about it with respect to the PCP, but you're absolutely correct. I don't really need to add anything else.

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I wasn't even thinking about it with respect to the PCP, but you're absolutely correct. I don't really need to add anything else.

I'm surprised that Goodell owned up and admitted he screwed up when he gave Rice only two games. But he should have left it at that. Misapplication of a rule/law doesn't necessarily call for a new, tougher rule/law that's even more rigid and more "one size fits all."

If he really wants to effect positive change in this area, he needs to reach out to others in the league office in determining punishments under the PCP going forward. This is a couple of years old, but underscores what's really needed.