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    Has the sound of a carefully prepared statement. My first thought was. Why speak up now? The answer may be the combines.

    I hope the young man is sincere, and has his head ready to move forward. He will likely be a hell of a player. I would be more interested in the private interviews. Peters only has to convince one team, the right team. If that team is Pittsburgh I will be on that bandwagon till he pushes me off. Peters has a job in front of him.

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    Maybe he and Cortez can start a Headcase Club together and work their shit out.

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    1. CB P.J. Williams of FSU….Like most on this board, I like Williams a LOT. Unlike most..I also like Trae Waynes. In actuality I think it will be a moot point because a team like the Chargers or Eagles will probably grab Trae Waynes before we pick at #22 and Williams should be there for us.

    2. CB Ronald Darby of Florida state…Yes, Im doubling up early. If Darby passes the character test, he possibly has one of the highest ceilings of any of this years cornerbacks. True cover corner.

    3. OLB Markus Golden of Missouri…I’m not as big of a fan of Hau'Oli Kikaha as some. He looked like he lacked strength at the senior bowl. If Nate Orchard were still on the board I would grab him up in a New York minute, but I think he will be gone. Golden actually impresses me as I watch tape on him and I think that he could push for a starting position by the end of the year.

    4. SS Jaquiski Tartt of Samford…This is a guy that I think just needs a little tweeking to be a VERY good free safety. Small school prospect but looked solid at the senior bowl. Mix him in this year and I think he is a future starter in the outfield.

    5. RB Matt Jones of Florida….Strong back who hits the hole hard. Chain mover who would be a complimentary back to Bell and a wave starter if needed.

    6. WR Titus Davis of Central Michigan…Not a burner, but perhaps one of the best route running WR’s in this class. Shows the technique to separate and has soft hands.

    7. NT Terry Williams of East Carolina….sleeper pick for me. HUGE man with a bit of a character concern, but hey…its worth a 7th round gamble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texasteel View Post
    With a couple of the latest developments at WR. it look like we may be more interested in drafting a WR. I think we would have anyway, but now it could be a little more serious. There are a couple of names I am very interested in.

    Any WRs you would like us to look at? Try to keep it real.

    Titus Davis is really starting to pique my interest. 6'2 190lbs. Played at Central Michigan. Only player in NCAA history to ever catch 8 or more touchdown passes in four years. One of the best route runners I have seen in a few years. Doesnt appear to have blazing speed but seems fast enough and very good quickness.
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    Re: is it too soon to talk 2015 draft ?

    Quote Originally Posted by LLT View Post
    1. CB P.J. Williams of FSU….Like most on this board, I like Williams a LOT. Unlike most..I also like Trae Waynes. In actuality I think it will be a moot point because a team like the Chargers or Eagles will probably grab Trae Waynes before we pick at #22 and Williams should be there for us.

    2. CB Ronald Darby of Florida state…Yes, Im doubling up early. If Darby passes the character test, he possibly has one of the highest ceilings of any of this years cornerbacks. True cover corner.
    Looks like Williams stock took a hit...while Darby is on the rise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LLT View Post
    Looks like Williams stock took a hit...while Darby is on the rise.
    I wouldnt put a ton of stock into talking heads with stock rising /falling unless there is documented reasons behind it ( like trouble with the law or failed drug tests from combine ) you know how it is every year we hear this stuff and come draft week most of it amounts to a whole lot to do about nothing when it comes time to walk to the podium ...

    Per example a month ago Darby stock was falling and some had him as late as round 4 ( 2 months ago 2nd rounder ) now back to where it all started ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    I wouldnt put a ton of stock into talking heads with stock rising /falling unless there is documented reasons behind it ( like trouble with the law or failed drug tests from combine ) you know how it is every year we hear this stuff and come draft week most of it amounts to a whole lot to do about nothing when it comes time to walk to the podium ...

    Per example a month ago Darby stock was falling and some had him as late as round 4 ( 2 months ago 2nd rounder ) now back to where it all started ...
    Well...that would be true if I was basing my opinion on the talking heads thoughts. But I'm not. I'm talking about a slow 40 time PLUS some pretty obvious hitches in his backpedal and what looked (to me) like hesitation or wasted motion in transition at the top of his backpedal. Even turning the wrong way at one point

    He has a good chance of redeeming himself at the pro day due to good instincts and even with a mid 4.5 range he could still be a first rounder...but what is alarming is that his 20 yard shuttle was the 4th slowest out of all defensive backs..and his three cone drill was the 6th worst. He is going to have to show a whole lot more at the pro day to not slide into the second.


    That being said....Darby looked smooth in his transition...good quickness...and fundamentally solid in his backpedal. Good drop on the hips and fluid in on the back end. No wasted motion at all.

    Someone else that I thought looked great but isn't getting much coverage is Craig Mager from Texas St.
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    Re: is it too soon to talk 2015 draft ?

    dream pick danny shleton
    reality landon collins right now even though i love williams, but mitchell was not to impressive, but i am hoping ha turns around this year


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    Re: is it too soon to talk 2015 draft ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devilsdancefloor View Post
    dream pick danny shleton
    reality landon collins right now even though i love williams, but mitchell was not to impressive, but i am hoping ha turns around this year
    Dream pick? CB Trae Waynes
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    Re: is it too soon to talk 2015 draft ?

    Quote Originally Posted by LLT View Post
    Well...that would be true if I was basing my opinion on the talking heads thoughts. But I'm not. I'm talking about a slow 40 time PLUS some pretty obvious hitches in his backpedal and what looked (to me) like hesitation or wasted motion in transition at the top of his backpedal. Even turning the wrong way at one point

    He has a good chance of redeeming himself at the pro day due to good instincts and even with a mid 4.5 range he could still be a first rounder...but what is alarming is that his 20 yard shuttle was the 4th slowest out of all defensive backs..and his three cone drill was the 6th worst. He is going to have to show a whole lot more at the pro day to not slide into the second.


    That being said....Darby looked smooth in his transition...good quickness...and fundamentally solid in his backpedal. Good drop on the hips and fluid in on the back end. No wasted motion at all.

    Someone else that I thought looked great but isn't getting much coverage is Craig Mager from Texas St.
    Can't get the combine, but I haven't noticed those traits out of Williams during the season. Lets see if he bounces back on Pro Day.

    I always thought Darby would make a good second round pick. I think most of the teams would have agreed, just not the talking heads.

    I think you can put the Waynes idea back to bed now LLT.

    I was encouraged by what one of my preseason favorites did, Jones out of Connecticut. Looks like he may be bouncing back from the injury very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LLT View Post
    Well...that would be true if I was basing my opinion on the talking heads thoughts. But I'm not. I'm talking about a slow 40 time PLUS some pretty obvious hitches in his backpedal and what looked (to me) like hesitation or wasted motion in transition at the top of his backpedal. Even turning the wrong way at one point

    He has a good chance of redeeming himself at the pro day due to good instincts and even with a mid 4.5 range he could still be a first rounder...but what is alarming is that his 20 yard shuttle was the 4th slowest out of all defensive backs..and his three cone drill was the 6th worst. He is going to have to show a whole lot more at the pro day to not slide into the second.


    That being said....Darby looked smooth in his transition...good quickness...and fundamentally solid in his backpedal. Good drop on the hips and fluid in on the back end. No wasted motion at all.

    Someone else that I thought looked great but isn't getting much coverage is Craig Mager from Texas St.

    Brandon Browner .................

    not sure if you will recall or not but he was a late 1st to second round prospect most of the way through the process and ran himself right to Canada , he has done fairly well since his returned to the NFL I must say ...

    40 times and football in shorts is something I have not put a ton of stock in over the years , game film trumps all to many guys rise and fall based on things they have done off the football field instead of what they did on it ... some guys are workout warriors , others are just instinctual football players and guys who refuse to lose in their assignments ... I will take the latter 10 times out of 10 ( as I am sure you and most others will )

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    Re: is it too soon to talk 2015 draft ?

    Any thoughts on Lorenzo Mauldin? I know he had some knee issues..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    Any thoughts on Lorenzo Mauldin? I know he had some knee issues..
    I like Mauldin if he can be had in round 3 , he has some warts but he can be a player in that portion of the draft that also could turn out to be a difference maker

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    I like Mauldin if he can be had in round 3 , he has some warts but he can be a player in that portion of the draft that also could turn out to be a difference maker

    He's got a good story and works hard, thats a big plus these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texasteel View Post
    Can't get the combine, but I haven't noticed those traits out of Williams during the season. Lets see if he bounces back on Pro Day.

    I always thought Darby would make a good second round pick. I think most of the teams would have agreed, just not the talking heads.

    I think you can put the Waynes idea back to bed now LLT.

    I was encouraged by what one of my preseason favorites did, Jones out of Connecticut. Looks like he may be bouncing back from the injury very well.
    He is a freak. Everything I saw this week still leads me to still believe we will grab two CB's in this draft.
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    Re: is it too soon to talk 2015 draft ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    Any thoughts on Lorenzo Mauldin? I know he had some knee issues..
    Shoulder surgery and a bad hammy. Great character and a backstory that makes you want to cheer for him. Needs to lower his pads and be more conscious of position assignment...but one of those players that has the heart to be a great player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    Brandon Browner .................

    not sure if you will recall or not but he was a late 1st to second round prospect most of the way through the process and ran himself right to Canada , he has done fairly well since his returned to the NFL I must say ...

    40 times and football in shorts is something I have not put a ton of stock in over the years , game film trumps all to many guys rise and fall based on things they have done off the football field instead of what they did on it ... some guys are workout warriors , others are just instinctual football players and guys who refuse to lose in their assignments ... I will take the latter 10 times out of 10 ( as I am sure you and most others will )
    Totally agree.....but a slow 40 mixed with transition problems is definitely problematic. I never noticed the funky backpedal in game tape, and I haven't heard anyone else mention the transition problem. Im still a fan...and will be watching the pro day with the hope that he was just "off" at the combine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    hope for DJ sake he is not holding his breath ...

    Steelers MO is draft 23 and younger , most times a redshirt Junior 21 years of age ... doubt they drastically change that MO and go for a 25 year old rookie ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    hope for DJ sake he is not holding his breath ...

    Steelers MO is draft 23 and younger , most times a redshirt Junior 21 years of age ... doubt they drastically change that MO and go for a 25 year old rookie ...

    I thought he was born in 1994? That would make him 21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    hope for DJ sake he is not holding his breath ...

    Steelers MO is draft 23 and younger , most times a redshirt Junior 21 years of age ... doubt they drastically change that MO and go for a 25 year old rookie ...
    His wikipedia page has indicated he is born in 1994 and he forgoed his senior season

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    I thought he was born in 1994? That would make him 21.

    you may be right , trying to find it now . I read it a few days ago somewhere he was 25 .... blew me away cause I had no clue he was that old .... perhaps it was a typo by the author but looking for it now

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    found it ....

    Eli Harold

    Eli Harold is an American football defensive end. He played college football for the University of Virginia Cavaliers. He is considered one of the top prospects in his position. wikipedia.org


    but when you click the link its corrected , I knew I read it you guys started to make me think I was going crazy

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    No consensus pick this year , Yet...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    you may be right , trying to find it now . I read it a few days ago somewhere he was 25 .... blew me away cause I had no clue he was that old .... perhaps it was a typo by the author but looking for it now

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    found it ....



    but when you click the link its corrected , I knew I read it you guys started to make me think I was going crazy

    i saw two links, one said born:1990, age:21 the other Born: 1994, Age: 20-21. I haven't read any article that said he was 25. One would think some writer would have brought up the concern of a possible 1st rounder being 25

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    i saw two links, one said born:1990, age:21 the other Born: 1994, Age: 20-21. I haven't read any article that said he was 25. One would think some writer would have brought up the concern of a possible 1st rounder being 25
    I think born 1990 was a typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    you may be right , trying to find it now . I read it a few days ago somewhere he was 25 .... blew me away cause I had no clue he was that old .... perhaps it was a typo by the author but looking for it now

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    found it ....



    but when you click the link its corrected , I knew I read it you guys started to make me think I was going crazy
    Eli Harold is 21. Played in a high school all star game in spring of 2012. They don't let 20+ young men play in those games.
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    Re: is it too soon to talk 2015 draft ?

    What are your thoughts on him, Perry?

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    Eli Harold scares the shit out of me. I just do not think he has the hands or the functional strength to be a strong side OLB. No way do I spend a first round pick on the guy. I think he could be really good as a 4-3 WLB. He reminds me a great deal of Anthony Barr of UCLA, drafted by the Vikings, played WLB in a 4-3 and had a great rookie season.

    As for me, the more I watch of Owa Odighizuwa, the more I want him on my team. I would not hesitate to spend the 22nd pick on double O. He has the length, power, hand play, ability to shed, and all the things I want in a LOLB. He can hold his ground, sheds and makes plays against the run, and has some skills as a pass rusher. His combine numbers were far better than I expected and he showed some fluidity in his movements. I think, in time, he could learn to drop and cover. But, I think he is as close to out of the box ready as a run defender as you might find in this draft (for an OLB) and has some pass rush ability.

    The second guy on my radar is Hau'oli Kikaha. Now, he did not workout at the combine, but I know he ran in the 4.70-4.75 range as a junior (after the knee injuries). He has some functional strength. Love his hands. He competed in judo as a kid and you can see it in his play. He gets leverage. He can shed. He has great balance. Don't know if he can handle coverages although I have watched him in short zones and he looks capable. Rumors are some teams have removed him from their boards because of his knees, and that is okay with me, I am thinking his value, right now, is 3rd down and if more teams remove him, that means he might slide to the later rounds. He won't have a pro day until April 2nd, hope some guys get some buzz and he becomes a forgotten guy.

    I like the Jones kid from UConn. He does not show that athleticism on film and needs to be coached up. But, he is physical and has the raw traits to be a really good one. Think Ike Taylor but a better athlete and he can catch. I also like Darby, even though he is not the most physical guy in run support. I would be fine with Eric Rowe, Alex Carter, Kevin Johnson, or Jalen Collins as well. I think the meat of the draft for CBs is 2nd to middle 3rd.

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    Hopefully the right player drops to 22. Give us the extra early 2nd + 3rd round picks to trade up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TMC View Post
    Eli Harold scares the shit out of me. I just do not think he has the hands or the functional strength to be a strong side OLB. No way do I spend a first round pick on the guy. I think he could be really good as a 4-3 WLB. He reminds me a great deal of Anthony Barr of UCLA, drafted by the Vikings, played WLB in a 4-3 and had a great rookie season.

    As for me, the more I watch of Owa Odighizuwa, the more I want him on my team. I would not hesitate to spend the 22nd pick on double O. He has the length, power, hand play, ability to shed, and all the things I want in a LOLB. He can hold his ground, sheds and makes plays against the run, and has some skills as a pass rusher. His combine numbers were far better than I expected and he showed some fluidity in his movements. I think, in time, he could learn to drop and cover. But, I think he is as close to out of the box ready as a run defender as you might find in this draft (for an OLB) and has some pass rush ability.

    The second guy on my radar is Hau'oli Kikaha. Now, he did not workout at the combine, but I know he ran in the 4.70-4.75 range as a junior (after the knee injuries). He has some functional strength. Love his hands. He competed in judo as a kid and you can see it in his play. He gets leverage. He can shed. He has great balance. Don't know if he can handle coverages although I have watched him in short zones and he looks capable. Rumors are some teams have removed him from their boards because of his knees, and that is okay with me, I am thinking his value, right now, is 3rd down and if more teams remove him, that means he might slide to the later rounds. He won't have a pro day until April 2nd, hope some guys get some buzz and he becomes a forgotten guy.

    I like the Jones kid from UConn. He does not show that athleticism on film and needs to be coached up. But, he is physical and has the raw traits to be a really good one. Think Ike Taylor but a better athlete and he can catch. I also like Darby, even though he is not the most physical guy in run support. I would be fine with Eric Rowe, Alex Carter, Kevin Johnson, or Jalen Collins as well. I think the meat of the draft for CBs is 2nd to middle 3rd.
    I am with ya on the bold TMC ...I like some of his game really well but he has warts that tell me he is NOT ever going to be a top tier pass rusher

    as I said in another thread

    good athletic ( stronger than he has a right to be for his physical make up ) but he does not always use that strength to his full advantage , does have some issues staying clean once guys get their hands on him ... he does have that James Harrison Bend going around the corner not many have that
    so while he is a legit player he does not spell immediate impact and he is a bit of a gamble , that is not to say he wont turn into a heck of a football player but the problem is we do not have time to wait on that we need starter quality NOW not later

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