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    Exclamation The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

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    By Jack Finn @JackFinn6 on Mar 14 2014, 5:47p

    With the Bronco's and other NFL powerhouses improving their already talented rosters through Free Agent acquisitions, the Steelers are falling behind in an Arms race.



    [COLOR=#292929][FONT=Mercury SSm A]If I could characterize the events of the 2014 Free Agency thus far, I would characterize it as an Arms race between NFL Superpowers.
    From the get go, it appears that the NFL's best teams have only gotten better. Of course championships are never won on paper, but then again it has never hurt to look like a winner.
    The Denver Broncos, fresh off a trip to the Superbowl, have thrown their chequebook wide open. The combined signings of Aquib Talib, Demarcus Ware and T J Ward amount to $60 million in guaranteed money, and $110 million over 13 years.
    In the space of three days, the AFC's best team added three Pro Bowl level talents at positions where it was needed most. The Broncos secondary was routinely picked on last season, so it as a good thing they have added one of the best CB's in the NFL as well as one of the best run-stopping safeties in the game. In addition, they have combined the pass rushing abilities of Demarcus Ware with a soon-to-be healthy Von Miller, which must surely be considered illegal.
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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    It is s good read, but the steelers never arm themselves through FA, but this year wow they have been tearing it up in the 1st week i am concerned about a lot of areas.


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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    It would also require the Steelers to sign players from what are essentially the dregs and cast-offs of the Free Agent market and mold them into effective starters/contributors in one off-season. Now that seems rather unlikely does it not?
    Very unlikely? Do all of them pan out? Nope.


    But.........















    Just to name a few.

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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    Don't forget Da-Beard.......






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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    Since when do teams win a season in the first week of free agency?

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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    Remember when Nnamdi Asomugha was THE FA to land????


    That turned out well.

    Mike Wallace, anyone?



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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    Trying to buy a championship usually does not work so well ask the Washington remember 1992 FA's like Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders?

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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    Funny how the author chose the Bronco's. The Bronco's are in PANIC mode. They have until Peyton Manning's arm turns to a noodle and "old age" catches up with him. That could be this week, next week, during training camp a month into the season or he can go another year or two. But he will age. The Bronco's know their window is about to shut down hard on their asses. When Peyton Manning goes, so does all those players and big money contracts they just signed. They've panicked for what they hope/believe is one LAST run. Reality is, their run could be over by the time the season starts.

    They've built NOTHING as far as the future goes.
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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    Funny thing about arms races; the participants rarely end up better- off.
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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    How many points did that high powered, open checkbook Bronco team put on the board in the SB? We need a good draft and the young guys to kick it in gear and we'll be fine.

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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    The Denver Broncos, fresh off a trip to the Superbowl, have thrown their chequebook wide open. The combined signings of Aquib Talib, Demarcus Ware and T J Ward amount to $60 million in guaranteed money, and $110 million over 13 years.
    Fresh off an embarrassing thrashing in the SB, is more like it. And Elway is only doing this because he knows their time is short and Manning will be gone soon. Then what? Probably years, (yes, plural) of digging themselves out of salary cap hell while they go 4-12/5-11 in the meantime.

    Not to mention Talib has proven to be quite brittle and Ware has been pretty beat up over the last couple of seasons and looks to be on the downhill slide at this point as well.

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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    Oh Geee. We are doomed. Everyone else is throwing money left and right, and we have only sign a player or two. I don't think I have ever heard that one before.

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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    Quote Originally Posted by stillers4me View Post
    Remember when Nnamdi Asomugha was THE FA to land????


    That turned out well.

    Mike Wallace, anyone?
    How about Albert Haynesworth?

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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    TJ should bring his cousin MJD and further inflate the Elways' Donkeys payroll



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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    In previous years, the roster wasn't as depleted as it is now. It's not about "buying" a championship as it is about filling a roster with half decent players that can contribute. There are nothing but holes and more holes on this team at the moment.

    With the exception of QB and K, you'd be hard pressed to find a position that doesn't need to be addressed in one form or another...and that can't be done through the draft.


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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    I still have confidence that ownership knows what they are doing.
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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    The Steelers were harshly criticized for handing out too many contracts to older veteran players. This off-season they have not done that.

    In previous off-seasons the team has been criticized for re-signing its own players at an inflated value and getting only replacement level back-up performance from them. This off-season they have not done that.

    So now the criticism is that they are not throwing stupid amounts of money around?

    New England paid Revis. But lost Talib. So in terms of the structure of their defense, a push. Revis may cost them Wilfork. Any upgrade in the secondary may be off-set by the loss of the big man upfront.

    Denver, everyone's off-season champ, is desperately attempting to fi a defense that was exposed in the SB. They have a 3 year window and then a painful rebuild and cap-shedding process to go through.

    The best FA signings are the guys no one has ever heard of. That means they are young, on their second contract, are getting paid somewhere close to their performance level, and have room to improve. These big name signings are all about paying 30+ year old veterans for past performance. No thanks.

    I will always be content to let other teams win the off season championship.

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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    Who did the Steelers lose this year?

    Ryan Clark, whose play has declined.

    Manny Sanders, who is an average WR at best.

    Ziggy Hood, who is decent but never special. He was at his best in 2010 and that was it.

    Lamar Woodley who checked out years ago.

    The only bad loss this year was Al Woods. I really wanted the Steelers to keep him. This is the same team in transition that went 8-8 the past two years, with 2013 being an upswing from a disastrous start.

    That said, they need a home run draft this year. Especially on Defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    In previous years, the roster wasn't as depleted as it is now. It's not about "buying" a championship as it is about filling a roster with half decent players that can contribute. There are nothing but holes and more holes on this team at the moment.

    With the exception of QB and K, you'd be hard pressed to find a position that doesn't need to be addressed in one form or another...and that can't be done through the draft.

    in a nut shell , THIS ...

    we have a huge amount of roster spots , a few million in cap space to spend and just 6 certified draft selection , sure we will probably end up with 2 , maybe 3 comp picks but what all that tells u is every draft pick better make the teams final 53 and be a worthwhile rosters spot taken ....

    significant roster turnover is in the works no question about it call it rebuild , call it retool ( if that makes you feel better ) but we easily could see 15-20 new names on the back of jerseys with familiar numbers on them this season .....

    we have glaring need at several key spots ... CB , ILB , OLB , WR ,TE , DE ,RB ( in no specific order ) if we take 1 of each in the draft they all need to not just make the team but contribute and do so at a high level and early ...

    the only spot I see as secure is S in terms of depth ( so no I am not sold on our depth at QB if an injury would happen to Ben ) so S if the only spot I feel we are capable of sustaining a long term injury and not missing much of a beat with the " next man up " philosophy

    and all that is build on the premise that the O-Line is actually a worthwhile unit ( and that is highly debatable at this juncture )

    it could be a rocky road again in 2014

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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    in a nut shell , THIS ...

    we have a huge amount of roster spots , a few million in cap space to spend and just 6 certified draft selection , sure we will probably end up with 2 , maybe 3 comp picks but what all that tells u is every draft pick better make the teams final 53 and be a worthwhile rosters spot taken ....

    significant roster turnover is in the works no question about it call it rebuild , call it retool ( if that makes you feel better ) but we easily could see 15-20 new names on the back of jerseys with familiar numbers on them this season .....

    we have glaring need at several key spots ... CB , ILB , OLB , WR ,TE , DE ,RB ( in no specific order ) if we take 1 of each in the draft they all need to not just make the team but contribute and do so at a high level and early ...

    the only spot I see as secure is S in terms of depth ( so no I am not sold on our depth at QB if an injury would happen to Ben ) so S if the only spot I feel we are capable of sustaining a long term injury and not missing much of a beat with the " next man up " philosophy

    and all that is build on the premise that the O-Line is actually a worthwhile unit ( and that is highly debatable at this juncture )

    it could be a rocky road again in 2014
    I will agree with that. But again, I don't think you can evaluate an off-season until it is over. That includes the rest of the FA period and the draft. The lack of a corner to this point in FA looks bad. Does it change if Gilbert or Dennard is drafted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I will agree with that. But again, I don't think you can evaluate an off-season until it is over. That includes the rest of the FA period and the draft. The lack of a corner to this point in FA looks bad. Does it change if Gilbert or Dennard is drafted?
    It will change if we draft a high round CB , but it does not change the fact we are down multiple pieces ...

    our normal off season MO is to go into the draft with no glaring need , this year as it stands we have MANY glaring need and dependent upon where you sit to which need is greater , some say WR is top need , others believe CB is , still others are cemented in the fact we desperately need an upgrade on the O-Line and yet some others say ILB is a must ... same can be said at NT or DE ...

    we cant address it all ( not even close ) what hurts is once again we fail to make proper evaluations on potential FA's , we missed the boat on some guys who signed elsewhere for low $ amounts that would have helped this football team and eliminated the need to take a high round pick at the pos...

    we finally looked at our own with a neutral eye and that is good but it seems like Colbert is only ever good at getting half the job done and never the full job .... first half of the draft usually is decent ( not always ) , second half rarely a pick worthy of mentioning

    Free agent period same thing he got our part right but has missed on several guys who could have helped this team dramatically that signed below market value deals elsewhere and we never even had them in for a visit

    could have cured the ILB pos in FA for 4 mill a year and passed ....

    could have signed a good young CB for 3.5 mill and never spoke to the man or his agent ...

    could have got a WR for 3.5 mill and lessened that need but again never spoke to him let alone work him out ....

    left a guy leave who is better than what we signed to replace him over 500k a year ....

    singularly none of these mean a whole bunch when we have so much need but when you stack it up its a pretty big pile of poor efforts ....

    he better have the draft of the decade or we as fans will pay a dear price for his lackadaisical efforts

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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    singularly none of these mean a whole bunch when we have so much need but when you stack it up its a pretty big pile of poor efforts ....

    he better have the draft of the decade or we as fans will pay a dear price for his lackadaisical efforts
    I agree.

    Colbert and Co. needs to hit a home run on this year's Draft in a big way.
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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    It will change if we draft a high round CB , but it does not change the fact we are down multiple pieces ...

    our normal off season MO is to go into the draft with no glaring need , this year as it stands we have MANY glaring need and dependent upon where you sit to which need is greater , some say WR is top need , others believe CB is , still others are cemented in the fact we desperately need an upgrade on the O-Line and yet some others say ILB is a must ... same can be said at NT or DE ...

    we cant address it all ( not even close ) what hurts is once again we fail to make proper evaluations on potential FA's , we missed the boat on some guys who signed elsewhere for low $ amounts that would have helped this football team and eliminated the need to take a high round pick at the pos...

    we finally looked at our own with a neutral eye and that is good but it seems like Colbert is only ever good at getting half the job done and never the full job .... first half of the draft usually is decent ( not always ) , second half rarely a pick worthy of mentioning

    Free agent period same thing he got our part right but has missed on several guys who could have helped this team dramatically that signed below market value deals elsewhere and we never even had them in for a visit

    could have cured the ILB pos in FA for 4 mill a year and passed ....

    could have signed a good young CB for 3.5 mill and never spoke to the man or his agent ...

    could have got a WR for 3.5 mill and lessened that need but again never spoke to him let alone work him out ....

    left a guy leave who is better than what we signed to replace him over 500k a year ....

    singularly none of these mean a whole bunch when we have so much need but when you stack it up its a pretty big pile of poor efforts ....

    he better have the draft of the decade or we as fans will pay a dear price for his lackadaisical efforts
    All fair points. I just wonder about how much we really know. They could have talked to agents for all the players you mentioned and have been told "no thanks". We will never know.

    I think, and had said all along that Verner, Nicks, and Spikes would have looked good here. But I guess the FO disagrees. If after the draft there is not a solid corner propsect (meaning someone with more potential than Terry Hawthorne) a decent WR (Sanders or better potential) and a LB that looks better than Kion Wilson on paper then it will be the disaster that we all fear.

    I'm just not ready to panic until all the results are in. I will admit that it does not look good right now.

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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    Quote Originally Posted by katmandu View Post
    I agree.

    Colbert and Co. needs to hit a home run on this year's Draft in a big way.
    And they have to come to the plate more than once in free agency...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    All fair points. I just wonder about how much we really know. They could have talked to agents for all the players you mentioned and have been told "no thanks". We will never know.

    I think, and had said all along that Verner, Nicks, and Spikes would have looked good here. But I guess the FO disagrees. If after the draft there is not a solid corner propsect (meaning someone with more potential than Terry Hawthorne) a decent WR (Sanders or better potential) and a LB that looks better than Kion Wilson on paper then it will be the disaster that we all fear.

    I'm just not ready to panic until all the results are in. I will admit that it does not look good right now.
    Woodyard , Thurmond , Nicks ... combined 10.5 mill a year for 3 starter quality players in 3 pos of need

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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    Woodyard , Thurmond , Nicks ... combined 10.5 mill a year for 3 starter quality players in 3 pos of need
    I totally agree. All of those players would have been great additions and were/are totally affordable. In fact they are likely to turn out to be bargains.

    We will just never know if the Steelers contacted any of those guys or not.

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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    Colbert is going all in with saying this are one of the deepest drafts. I think he's ready to let young guys step up to the plate and "let them play"


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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    Quote Originally Posted by XxKnightxX View Post
    Colbert is going all in with saying this are one of the deepest drafts. I think he's ready to let young guys step up to the plate and "let them play"


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    it is one of Histories deepest drafts ( on paper but proof in in the pudding /playing ), but when you have 6 ( solidified selections ) and up to 3 potential comp selections and need to yield a dozen players .... you can't be screwing up with any missteps along the way

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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    Quote Originally Posted by XxKnightxX View Post
    Colbert is going all in with saying this are one of the deepest drafts. I think he's ready to let young guys step up to the plate and "let them play"
    There's not going to be much choice for Rookies playing right off the bat.

    This could be one of the most inexperienced Steeler's teams ever to hit the field this year. That "could" turn out to be a good thing down the road once they get their feet wet and learn/apply what they are to do.
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    Re: The Steelers are losing the NFL Arms Race

    One of the issues we have is that our defense is complicated, especially for linebackers. That is one position of need that we are not going to fill through the draft (at least not that will be a major contributor this year). We started rookies at the ILB position last year only because of injuries. That said, I'm hoping that those guys will be better this year now that they have a year in the system under their belts. And at OLB, we have to pray that Jones shows us some major improvement. I'm hoping he's spending the offseason perfecting some technique. He should become best friends with Jared Allen and start going to MMA classes with him.

    As far as safety goes, having Troy stay healthy this year is key. We need a vet back there who knows our defense and who can direct traffic.

    I'm not sure how starting a rookie corner would affect us. If we went corner with our #1 pick I guess we'd have to hope he is a lockdown machine so that we wouldn't have to rely on him with complicated blitzes and zone schemes. Perhaps DL isn't so complicated though: take up space and hopefully get double teamed. We are going to need to get really lucky in the later rounds with those guys.

    But at least we signed Whimper! Woo-hoo!

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