Eating crow for the Defense.

[steeldawg]

Defense needs to tighten up a little bit but its hard to blame them for giving up a fourth quarter lead when the offense had a number of opportunities to score td's and they couldn't. We have been awful in the redzone, our receivers have to do a better job in the redzone, I think our leading redzone guy might be cotchery and that's no good. I would like to see them use back shoulder throws to brown or quick slants, receivers have to take some focus off miller down there.

[GoSlash27]

That was one person's opinion. We all have one. Doesn't mean that it's right or wrong but we all have the right to post it. If you don't agree, then say so. That's what this site is for, discussion.

I think it's a little more than just a "difference of opinion" in this case. Anyone feel free to chime in and correct me, but "blew it" is pretty darn definitive; specifically "it" (the game) has been "blown" (lost). I don't think that term is accurate unless it's applied to an actual loss.
Likewise, "needed" is pretty darn definitive also. As in we "needed" something and they failed to provide it, ergo we lost.

Reading posts #1 and #3 without context, an observer would be led to the incorrect conclusion that we lost.
Is it just me?

[SteelerFanInStl]

I think it's a little more than just a "difference of opinion" in this case. Anyone feel free to chime in and correct me, but "blew it" is pretty darn definitive; specifically "it" (the game) has been "blown" (lost). I don't think that term is accurate unless it's applied to an actual loss.
Likewise, "needed" is pretty darn definitive also. As in we "needed" something and they failed to provide it, ergo we lost.

Reading posts #1 and #3 without context, an observer would be led to the incorrect conclusion that we lost.
Is it just me?

So, when a team is ahead by a TD in the 4th quarter, you don't think that they "need" a stop by the defense? Take a look in the game day thread and I'm sure that you'll see plenty of posts saying that we "needed" a stop at that point in the game. The "need" is to keep the lead. It doesn't mean that if you don't get what you "need", you automatically lose the game. I say it all the time in a game. We "need" a sack here or we "need" a TD here. It's rarely a do or die thing for me.

[Craic]

So, when a team is ahead by a TD in the 4th quarter, you don't think that they "need" a stop by the defense? Take a look in the game day thread and I'm sure that you'll see plenty of posts saying that we "needed" a stop at that point in the game. The "need" is to keep the lead. It doesn't mean that if you don't get what you "need", you automatically lose the game. I say it all the time in a game. We "need" a sack here or we "need" a TD here. It's rarely a do or die thing for me.

There's a difference here. "We need a stop," and posting after that "we blew it" on that drive is much, MUCH different than a very generalized "it" that usually in such a context refers to the entire game, especially with the team going 1-4 before Sunday.

Did the defense blow the chance to end the game there? Yes. Did they blow the game? No. We won. As much as some would like to paint me as such (not you), I'm not a blind homer. We have problems, and our defense definitely has problems. I also however, tend not to get caught up in the whirlwind of "Fire _____, we suck!" or some similar type of diatribes.

This reminds me of the day my wife and I were flying to Pittsburgh to watch my first Steelers game. It was 2007, and we were going to watch the Steelers Ravens Monday night game. This is 2007, mind you, three and a half years after Ben took the reigns. We were talking to someone at the airport from Pittsburgh, and he was going on about how Ben hasn't showing him anything yet and he just wasn't sure about the guy.

At some point, criticism stops being criticism and starts being kvetching for the sake of kvetching. I understand, it's a lot easier to point out the problems than it is to point out the positives or the places where we're just average, but please, if we're going to use the word "critique" or being "critical" or "assessing" then let's at least apply the terms right. A lot of what I see isn't the above, it's a couple critiques wrapped up in a butt-ton of kvetching.

EDIT: ignore my tone in this post. Sorry about that.

[SteelerFanInStl]

There's a difference here. "We need a stop," and posting after that "we blew it" on that drive is much, MUCH different than a very generalized "it" that usually in such a context refers to the entire game, especially with the team going 1-4 before Sunday.

My comment was only directed at the "we needed it" part that GoSlash27 was referring to since that was my post. I can't address the part about "blowing it" since that came from Edman.

[Craic]

My comment was only directed at the "we needed it" part that GoSlash27 was referring to since that was my post. I can't address the part about "blowing it" since that came from Edman.

And I was just using that as a general way of getting my point across, that it really does feel at times like there's so much negativity around here. That's all. Of course, I'd hate to be on a Raven's board right now.

[GoSlash27]

So, when a team is ahead by a TD in the 4th quarter, you don't think that they "need" a stop by the defense?

Not if they end up winning without it, no.
We would have certainly wanted a stop, but if we won without it then by definition we didn't "need" it.

[HollywoodSteel]

Look through the threads since yesterday and see how many people even acknowledged that we won a game. I didn't know that actually admitting we won equates to rainbow and unicorn posts.

But since I'm willing to admit that we won, here you go:

Oops, I meant

I think we should have a unicorn and rainbows ONLY thread (or threads). I'm actually not joking. There should be threads that are designated as "positivity" only. That way the people who just want to enjoy a win, or even enjoy the Steelers in general, can do so without seeing any negativity at all. No one will complain or judge other people's proper ratio of positive to negative attitude. Everyone's happy!

Now, the cynic in me kind of believes that some people who don't like other people expressing negativity will still venture over to the threads that clearly have some negativity in the title because they actually enjoy hating the negativity, or at least judging it negatively (now it's getting kind of meta) but, of course, I could be wrong.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Offensive Rankings:

Points scored: 28th
Total yards: 20th
Passing yards: 12th
Rushing yards: 27th


Defensive Rankings:

Points scored: 14th
Total yards: 6th
Passing yards: 4th
Rushing yards: 19th

lol. seriously. We've been leaning on our defense for 4 decades. Nothing has changed. Yeah we need take aways, but not as badly as we need the offense to not turn the ball. Its been like this for the past 3 years

[GoSlash27]

I think we should have a unicorn and rainbows ONLY thread (or threads). I'm actually not joking. There should be threads that are designated as "positivity" only. That way the people who just want to enjoy a win, or even enjoy the Steelers in general, can do so without seeing any negativity at all. No one will complain or judge other people's proper ratio of positive to negative attitude. Everyone's happy!

Now, the cynic in me kind of believes that some people who don't like other people expressing negativity will still venture over to the threads that clearly have some negativity in the title because they actually enjoy hating the negativity, or at least judging it negatively (now it's getting kind of meta) but, of course, I could be wrong.

"Separate but equal"?

[Texasteel]

"Separate but equal"?

Red group to the left, Blue group to the right. No, I don't think so. We will all just have to except each others thoughts, thoughts that are equal and as important as our own. Their's an idea.

[NJarhead]

Red group to the left, Blue group to the right. No, I don't think so. We will all just have to except each others thoughts, thoughts that are equal and as important as our own. Their's an idea.

Ummmm, Tex, God bless ya, but you've got it backwards.

[Texasteel]

Ummmm, Tex, God bless ya, but you've got it backwards.

Yea, you right, but in my defense I wasn't thinking politics. Here lately I've been trying hard not to think politics.

[NJarhead]

Yea, you right, but in my defense I wasn't thinking politics. Here lately I've been trying hard not to think politics.

Well then, in that case, congratulations. You're doing it right. haha

[HollywoodSteel]

Red group to the left, Blue group to the right. No, I don't think so. We will all just have to except each others thoughts, thoughts that are equal and as important as our own. Their's an idea.

Of course we need to respect each others' thoughts. That would be awesome. I'm just trying to help out the people who claim that they just want to enjoy a win without having to see any negativity from others. Now, if some people who say that they don't want to read anything negative really mean that they do enjoy reading negative comments so that they can put down the negative commenters for being negative... well, that's perfectly fine too I suppose. But there have to be some people who make such claims who are actually being sincere in their claims, don't you think? If so, don't you think those people would benefit from a positivity only thread?

It's like people who block certain posters so they don't have to read their comments. Similar idea.

[Craic]

I think we should have a unicorn and rainbows ONLY thread (or threads). I'm actually not joking. There should be threads that are designated as "positivity" only. That way the people who just want to enjoy a win, or even enjoy the Steelers in general, can do so without seeing any negativity at all. No one will complain or judge other people's proper ratio of positive to negative attitude. Everyone's happy!

Now, the cynic in me kind of believes that some people who don't like other people expressing negativity will still venture over to the threads that clearly have some negativity in the title because they actually enjoy hating the negativity, or at least judging it negatively (now it's getting kind of meta) but, of course, I could be wrong.

The problem with that is that I want to read constructive criticism. I want to read what people think is wrong with the team, and why they think it's wrong, because it gets me thinking. For me, the problem develop when it devolves to, "So and so Sucks." Or "We've had this problem ever since..." when the fact is, we haven't. There's a big difference between critically assessing problems, and being negative.

[Texasteel]

Of course we need to respect each others' thoughts. That would be awesome. I'm just trying to help out the people who claim that they just want to enjoy a win without having to see any negativity from others. Now, if some people who say that they don't want to read anything negative really mean that they do enjoy reading negative comments so that they can put down the negative commenters for being negative... well, that's perfectly fine too I suppose. But there have to be some people who make such claims who are actually being sincere in their claims, don't you think? If so, don't you think those people would benefit from a positivity only thread?

It's like people who block certain posters so they don't have to read their comments. Similar idea.

Every member, in good standing, has the right to read what ever he or she wants. If its positive or negative doesn't really matter. They also have the right to bitch about what they read, as long as it is respectful. In turn the other side has the right to bitch about the bitching. What I don't believe is that either side has the right to try an take the moral high ground when they are doing exactly what they are complaining the other side is doing. Your right, each member can block another member, but just because they chose not to doesn't mean they have to like what is being said, or that they sacrifice the right to disagree with them.

[HollywoodSteel]

Every member, in good standing, has the right to read what ever he or she wants. If its positive or negative doesn't really matter. They also have the right to bitch about what they read, as long as it is respectful. In turn the other side has the right to bitch about the bitching. What I don't believe is that either side has the right to try an take the moral high ground when they are doing exactly what they are complaining the other side is doing. Your right, each member can block another member, but just because they chose not to doesn't mean they have to like what is being said, or that they sacrifice the right to disagree with them.

Absolutely. You will never find me disagreeing with any of that. In fact, we can just cut and paste that statement when anyone has anything to say about anyone else's commenting, and then they can paste it back, and keep going back and forth without addressing the substance of anyone's position.

But rights aside, I think you're missing my point. I'm in no way to trying to stifle any kind of back and forth debate, or tell people what they should or shouldn't post. But there are people who claim to genuinely be bummed out when they see negative posts, especially after a win. I'm just trying to give them the option of not being bummed out by having a thread that won't bum them out. Of course there is no way to stop people from posting negative stuff in such a thread, but I think people would choose to be respectful of it, especially if it helps keep them from get accosted for their negativity in other threads.

[HollywoodSteel]

The problem with that is that I want to read constructive criticism. I want to read what people think is wrong with the team, and why they think it's wrong, because it gets me thinking. For me, the problem develop when it devolves to, "So and so Sucks." Or "We've had this problem ever since..." when the fact is, we haven't. There's a big difference between critically assessing problems, and being negative.

I hope you didn't take this as any type of judgement on your posts. I always find your posts to add something of substance to every thread, even on the occasions where we disagree. Maybe I'm being unclear. I never said these people should go to these threads only and those people should go to those threads only... I never said "separate but equal" or anything like that. That was GoSlash's joke.

I'm only suggesting an option for those who would choose to take it, for whatever reason. Maybe they don't want to read anything negative that particular day but don't want to avoid the board altogether. So they can come to the "positivity" thread, enjoy themselves with like-minded posters, and then take part in the other threads when they feel like it later. I don't see the harm.

[HollywoodSteel]

I can't put up a "positivity only" thread now with a straight face.

[Count Steeler]

I can't put up a "positivity only" thread now with a straight face.

It would be pretty bare too.