Le'Veon Bell Has Likely Done His Last Flip Into The End Zone For A While

[Craic]

Im looking at opportunity if he cant get on the field its hard for me to say he's the better of the two. The logic is completely flawed, because as I pointed out with dwyer its much easier its to have better yards per totals in limited opportunities because you only have to be successful once or twice to drastically effect your averages. When you come in the game in the nfl in a limited capacity defenses are not keying on you, a lot times you get an easy draw or dump off on a third and long.

So last year, when he was announced the starter, and still had a better rushing average . . .

[Texasteel]

I was and still am a Bell fan. Pushed him before the draft, and was happy we got him, ( although it did surprise me a little that they passed on Lacy to take him ), but it is hard for me to proclaim either back is better than the other right now. I think Bell will be the better back, and will have a better future with the Steelers. For either of them to be effective there is a lot of work to be done on the blocking, and perhaps even the play calling. Like I have said before, I like Dwyer and I like Bell both, but think the Bell will be the better back, just give him a little more time.

I also think that the Steelers are looking to completely revamp the RB position, probably will be looking at another young RB at the end of this year............ If they don't end up rebuilding the already rebuilt OL.

[Steeldude]

So last year, when he was announced the starter, and still had a better rushing average . . .

Steeldawg will come up with another excuse to protect Bell and bash Dwyer.

[NJarhead]

Steeldawg will come up with another excuse to protect Bell and bash Dwyer.

Wasn't Dwyer cut? Why do you think that is?

[steeldawg]

Wasn't Dwyer cut? Why do you think that is?

Ya I don't need to bash him, his career tells the story. I also don't need to make excuses for bell he has only played 2 games. I think the fact he was cut is very telling of how good he is, also the fact that even with bell out he still was riding pine.

[NJarhead]

Ya I don't need to bash him, his career tells the story. I also don't need to make excuses for bell he has only played 2 games. I think the fact he was cut is very telling of how good he is, also the fact that even with bell out he still was riding pine.

Shhhhh.

[Steeldude]

Wasn't Dwyer cut? Why do you think that is?

So was Harrison. Your point?

[Count Steeler]

Wasn't Dwyer cut? Why do you think that is?

Cause this coaching staff doesn't know how to put together a running game.

I'm still scratching my head over the personnel selection on the OLine this year. Virtually only 1 player for depth, and now he is the LT. No depth at Center. Whimper is our depth in the interior. I guess Adams suits up as backup for the T this week.

NO back is going to have consistent success until the O Line is consistent.

[Steeldude]

Ya I don't need to bash him, his career tells the story. I also don't need to make excuses for bell he has only played 2 games. I think the fact he was cut is very telling of how good he is, also the fact that even with bell out he still was riding pine.

Then that would mean you are stating that Dwyer is better than Mendenhall. Each excuse you come up with backfires on your previous excuse.

You still haven't explained how you know for a fact that a player will be better than another before they play a single down.

[Dwinsgames]

cut , released , permitted to sign elsewhere at the end of the day it means the team has moved on , by that logic of Dwyer being cut means he was better than Mendenhall whom they let go elsewhere an better than anyone they cut prior , and better than Redman whom was inactive a few weeks back ( but hmmmm Redman was kept when Dwyer was cut how does that make sense ) ......

I guess that would also mean by using that same logic that Chad Scott was better than Rod Woodson ..... NOT ....

this coaching staff I CLUELESS about how to make a running game work and they are also clueless about putting together an offensive line , if you doubt look at their results of attempting to do either

the only reason Dwyer was cut is Tomlin dislikes him and I get the distinct feeling Tomlin would cut off his own nose to spite his face too ( Tomlin also disliked Max Starks too an we witnessed how that played out )

[NJarhead]

So was Harrison. Your point?

Harrison was cut because he didn't get it. That's common knowledge.

You know what my point is. There aren't very many Harrison stories going around, are there? Nooooooo. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to run the football. Hence why RB is the quickest transition from college to pro. Dwyer wasn't doing shit and has rarely done shit.

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Cause this coaching staff doesn't know how to put together a running game.

I'm still scratching my head over the personnel selection on the OLine this year. Virtually only 1 player for depth, and now he is the LT. No depth at Center. Whimper is our depth in the interior. I guess Adams suits up as backup for the T this week.

NO back is going to have consistent success until the O Line is consistent.

I agree. But of our entire stable of RB's, Dwyer was seen (by those actually in the know) as the most expendable.

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cut , released , permitted to sign elsewhere at the end of the day it means the team has moved on , by that logic of Dwyer being cut means he was better than Mendenhall whom they let go elsewhere an better than anyone they cut prior , and better than Redman whom was inactive a few weeks back ( but hmmmm Redman was kept when Dwyer was cut how does that make sense ) ......

I guess that would also mean by using that same logic that Chad Scott was better than Rod Woodson ..... NOT ....

this coaching staff I CLUELESS about how to make a running game work and they are also clueless about putting together an offensive line , if you doubt look at their results of attempting to do either

the only reason Dwyer was cut is Tomlin dislikes him and I get the distinct feeling Tomlin would cut off his own nose to spite his face too ( Tomlin also disliked Max Starks too an we witnessed how that played out )

That logic is yours and yes it is flawed.

[steeldawg]

cut , released , permitted to sign elsewhere at the end of the day it means the team has moved on , by that logic of Dwyer being cut means he was better than Mendenhall whom they let go elsewhere an better than anyone they cut prior , and better than Redman whom was inactive a few weeks back ( but hmmmm Redman was kept when Dwyer was cut how does that make sense ) ......

I guess that would also mean by using that same logic that Chad Scott was better than Rod Woodson ..... NOT ....

this coaching staff I CLUELESS about how to make a running game work and they are also clueless about putting together an offensive line , if you doubt look at their results of attempting to do either

the only reason Dwyer was cut is Tomlin dislikes him and I get the distinct feeling Tomlin would cut off his own nose to spite his face too ( Tomlin also disliked Max Starks too an we witnessed how that played out )

Do you really believe that the reason dwyer was cut is because tomlin doesn't like him? Mendenhall situation was totally different he was a free agent who was banged up, and lets not even compare dwyer to mendy, mendy's career didn't turn out to be a great one but it dwarfs dwyers career. We are talking about a guy who after 4 years averages a little more than 8 carries, a little more than 30 yards per game, 2 tds total, and still has not broken 1000 yards for his career. There is something wrong here and I seriously doubt its because coach desnt like him. Hell tomlin drafted dwyer, If they wanted to cut him earlier they could have.

[Craic]

Do you really believe that the reason dwyer was cut is because tomlin doesn't like him? Mendenhall situation was totally different he was a free agent who was banged up, and lets not even compare dwyer to mendy, mendy's career didn't turn out to be a great one but it dwarfs dwyers career. We are talking about a guy who after 4 years averages a little more than 8 carries, a little more than 30 yards per game, 2 tds total, and still has not broken 1000 yards for his career. There is something wrong here and I seriously doubt its because coach desnt like him. Hell tomlin drafted dwyer, If they wanted to cut him earlier they could have.

Mendenhall wasn't "banged up" at the end of last season. He was benched. His head was not in the right place. Mendy was the CHOSEN starter for all of Dwyer's years but the last one, when he was competing with Redman. Is the talent level the same between Mendy and Dwyer? Nope. Absolutely not. But that's not the point of any argument I have with you, or what it seems most people have with you in this thread (or any other thread). To put it simply, you seem to have anointed Bell the next Franco Harris or Jerome Bettis or John Kuhn, and everyone else here is saying to slow down, and let the kid actually PROVE himself. 2.8 yards per rush average is NOT proving yourself.

What you seem to be missing, is that Dwyer was the odd man out in RBs that have a similar style. They went with Redman because they thought Redman was better in short yardage situations. Oops. I guarantee you that if LSH was healthy, he would be our starting running back right now and we simply wouldn't be having this discussion, because he has more talent than anyone else at the position.

So, how about it . . . willing to take a "wait and see" approach with the rest of us? Or are you going to anoint him now after two games? And should I remind you, they aren't NEAR as good as the two games.

Oh, and just for comparison:

Dwyer, first two games of his career:

9 attempts, 28 yards, 3.11 Y/A
11 attempts 107 yards, 9.73 Y/A

Bell
16 attempts, 57 yards, 3.56 Y/A
16 attempts, 34 yards, 2.13 Y/A
And almost a third of Dwyer's games coming into this year that he started, he's rushed for 100 yards or more.

So let's wait until we see a solid body of work from Bell before making ANY decisions about him, rather than deciding before he ever sets foot on the field that he's a talented NFL player, and the declaring him the best RB on the team two games into his career.

[steeldawg]

Mendenhall wasn't "banged up" at the end of last season. He was benched. His head was not in the right place. Mendy was the CHOSEN starter for all of Dwyer's years but the last one, when he was competing with Redman. Is the talent level the same between Mendy and Dwyer? Nope. Absolutely not. But that's not the point of any argument I have with you, or what it seems most people have with you in this thread (or any other thread). To put it simply, you seem to have anointed Bell the next Franco Harris or Jerome Bettis or John Kuhn, and everyone else here is saying to slow down, and let the kid actually PROVE himself. 2.8 yards per rush average is NOT proving yourself.

What you seem to be missing, is that Dwyer was the odd man out in RBs that have a similar style. They went with Redman because they thought Redman was better in short yardage situations. Oops. I guarantee you that if LSH was healthy, he would be our starting running back right now and we simply wouldn't be having this discussion, because he has more talent than anyone else at the position.

So, how about it . . . willing to take a "wait and see" approach with the rest of us? Or are you going to anoint him now after two games? And should I remind you, they aren't NEAR as good as the two games.

Oh, and just for comparison:

Dwyer, first two games of his career:

9 attempts, 28 yards, 3.11 Y/A
11 attempts 107 yards, 9.73 Y/A

Bell
16 attempts, 57 yards, 3.56 Y/A
16 attempts, 34 yards, 2.13 Y/A
And almost a third of Dwyer's games coming into this year that he started, he's rushed for 100 yards or more.

So let's wait until we see a solid body of work from Bell before making ANY decisions about him, rather than deciding before he ever sets foot on the field that he's a talented NFL player, and the declaring him the best RB on the team two games into his career.

LSH would not be the starting running back are you high? He wasn't even starting over redman when bell was out. So there goes that theory. What did I anoint him? The best back on the team? Is that really a stretch with a stable of Bell, jones and Dwyer? Name me one team if given the choice that would take dwyer over bell or any of our backs, even after only 2 games? Im giving him the benefit of the doubt here, holding up his yards per carry total after 2 games and saying hes not proving himself is absurd.

[Dwinsgames]

LSH would not be the starting running back are you high? He wasn't even starting over redman when bell was out. So there goes that theory. What did I anoint him? The best back on the team? Is that really a stretch with a stable of Bell, jones and Dwyer? Name me one team if given the choice that would take dwyer over bell or any of our backs, even after only 2 games? Im giving him the benefit of the doubt here, holding up his yards per carry total after 2 games and saying hes not proving himself is absurd.

what is more absurd is knowing his YPC totals after 2 games and actin as if you just witnessed the second coming of Walter Peyton

[steeldawg]

what is more absurd is knowing his YPC totals after 2 games and actin as if you just witnessed the second coming of Walter Peyton

Did I do that?

[Craic]

LSH would not be the starting running back are you high? He wasn't even starting over redman when bell was out. So there goes that theory. What did I anoint him? The best back on the team? Is that really a stretch with a stable of Bell, jones and Dwyer? Name me one team if given the choice that would take dwyer over bell or any of our backs, even after only 2 games? Im giving him the benefit of the doubt here, holding up his yards per carry total after 2 games and saying hes not proving himself is absurd.

Ahh, yes, I see what you did there. Let me point it out to the rest of the readers: "and saying hes not proving himself is absurd."

ing verb = participle = continual action.

From a previous post:

He is the best back on the team talent

is = to be verb = something that is present and absolute.

You went from saying that he IS the best back on the team to now saying he is PROVING HIMSELF as the best back. Or, in other words, you agree with me in that post that it is premature to declare him (your earlier statement being a declarative statement) the best back. Glad we finally came to an agreement. And yes, I too think, as I've said a few times, that he has the ability to do some good things. I don't however, think he's far and away proving himself as the best back. He's showing promise, but he's not there yet.

[Craic]

Did I do that?

Don't know if you meant it this way or not... but I can't help reading your post with this voice in my head: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClnSMCdw6E8

[Steeldude]

Ahh, yes, I see what you did there. Let me point it out to the rest of the readers: "and saying hes not proving himself is absurd."

ing verb = participle = continual action.

From a previous post:

is = to be verb = something that is present and absolute.

You went from saying that he IS the best back on the team to now saying he is PROVING HIMSELF as the best back. Or, in other words, you agree with me in that post that it is premature to declare him (your earlier statement being a declarative statement) the best back. Glad we finally came to an agreement. And yes, I too think, as I've said a few times, that he has the ability to do some good things. I don't however, think he's far and away proving himself as the best back. He's showing promise, but he's not there yet.

It's the classic Steeldawg flip-flop.

I don't know how many people on this MB have tried to explain this to him.

[Mistah Q]

Cutting Dwyer was a mistake, but Tomlin is a child.

I believe Bell to be the best back on this team but time will reveal the truth. We'll see.

If Bell turns out to be even an average starting back, then Bell, Dwyer, F. Jones, and Howling is a pretty good stable of running backs. Not the league's best, but good enough that we can go focus on something else for a few years. Like the O-line... Terrell Davis was never close to being the league's best running back, but they had a solid O-line and the coaching knew what they were doing, with the personnel they had.

I still have faith that Haley can do similar things for us - but if we finish 5-11 or worse, I'm afraid he'll be made the scapegoat and fired instead. Our conditioning, line coaching, and talent evaluation are atrocious...

But somehow it clicked just a little bit during the Ravens game. It's not a lot to brag about: the Ravens have a lot of issues in the trenches, but it's better than nothing. Bell has to have been at least partially competent to achieve what he did, but the O-line helped make it happen. Was it because Bell is that good? Or because the O-line is finally "gelling"? Or because they were playing a very terrible Ravens team? Or because Haley has his shit together?

Let's watch the rest of the season and find out.

[NJarhead]

It's the classic Steeldawg flip-flop.

I don't know how many people on this MB have tried to explain this to him.

Let me guess, that's neither insulting or childish, right?

"You people" are pathetic.

[Craic]

Cutting Dwyer was a mistake, but Tomlin is a child.

I believe Bell to be the best back on this team but time will reveal the truth. We'll see.

If Bell turns out to be even an average starting back, then Bell, Dwyer, F. Jones, and Howling is a pretty good stable of running backs. Not the league's best, but good enough that we can go focus on something else for a few years. Like the O-line... Terrell Davis was never close to being the league's best running back, but they had a solid O-line and the coaching knew what they were doing, with the personnel they had.

I still have faith that Haley can do similar things for us - but if we finish 5-11 or worse, I'm afraid he'll be made the scapegoat and fired instead. Our conditioning, line coaching, and talent evaluation are atrocious...

But somehow it clicked just a little bit during the Ravens game. It's not a lot to brag about: the Ravens have a lot of issues in the trenches, but it's better than nothing. Bell has to have been at least partially competent to achieve what he did, but the O-line helped make it happen. Was it because Bell is that good? Or because the O-line is finally "gelling"? Or because they were playing a very terrible Ravens team? Or because Haley has his shit together?

Let's watch the rest of the season and find out.

This probably the most balanced post I've read in quite some time. Very nice.

One place I'll disagree though. In the second game of the season, I saw a couple things started to click . . . or were you talking about the running game in particular clicking?

[steeldawg]

I don't think dwyer will be here next season, he is a free agent and currently the third back on the roster I doubt we offer him a contract.

[Count Steeler]

I don't think dwyer will be here next season, he is a free agent and currently the third back on the roster I doubt we offer him a contract.

Probably not. LSH may fill the roster spot, or pickup another mid round RB prospect that has a stronger work ethic than Dwyer.

[HollywoodSteel]

Let me guess, that's neither insulting or childish, right?

"You people" are pathetic.

[Steeldude]

Let me guess, that's neither insulting or childish, right?

"You people" are pathetic.

I see you are still crying over being humiliated over your childish posts.

Don't get mad at me because Steeldawg flips his stories and has difficulty with the terms opinion, fact and potential. It's not like I called him a hater or a bitter MFer...lol. I leave that to people like you.

Did the O-line open holes for the RBs against the Ravens? Yes or no? Will you run to hide behind more insults and cop-outs? It's common for you people to do that.

[steeldawg]

I see you are still crying over being humiliated over your childish posts.

Don't get mad at me because Steeldawg flips his stories and has difficulty with the terms opinion, fact and potential. It's not like I called him a hater or a bitter MFer...lol. I leave that to people like you.

Did the O-line open holes for the RBs against the Ravens? Yes or no? Will you run to hide behind more insults and cop-outs? It's common for you people to do that.

Where has my story flip flopped, It seems you and whoever else have been arguing with me about the same things for awhile now and my position hasn't changed. Wallace still like him, Bell still think hes the best back on the team, Dwyer still think he sucks, should not and will not be a consistent starter. When you run out argument you result to "your flip flopping" anyone can see my position on le'veon bell and anyone can see I have been behind him from day 1.

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I see you are still crying over being humiliated over your childish posts.

Don't get mad at me because Steeldawg flips his stories and has difficulty with the terms opinion, fact and potential. It's not like I called him a hater or a bitter MFer...lol. I leave that to people like you.

Did the O-line open holes for the RBs against the Ravens? Yes or no? Will you run to hide behind more insults and cop-outs? It's common for you people to do that.

As far your O-line question It has been answered now by 2 different posters why does he need to type it out for you a third time? If you really want answers to your questions all you have to do is read but it seems like you just want to provoke and instigate.

[NJarhead]

I see you are still crying over being humiliated over your childish posts.

Don't get mad at me because Steeldawg flips his stories and has difficulty with the terms opinion, fact and potential. It's not like I called him a hater or a bitter MFer...lol. I leave that to people like you.

Did the O-line open holes for the RBs against the Ravens? Yes or no? Will you run to hide behind more insults and cop-outs? It's common for you people to do that.

"Humiliated?????"

I must have missed that! Now, when did this happen?


"Meh, people like you, meh." Children like you always seem to assume they've won their hard fought debate when the adult they're debating with decides it's like talking to a wall. And ya know what? That's fine. You're really not that significant to me for it to matter.

Now:

DID YOU READ THE ARTICLE??? YES OR NO?? Tell us what it was about. Was it about the o-line? Yes or no? You read the head-line and MAYBE my comments and then started typing on your lil' 'puter. I stand by my comment about what you are.


I'm sorry that you hated the draft pick, but we got Bell and most of the football world involving the Pittsburgh Steelers are happy with him. Learn to deal with it.

[Steeldude]

"Humiliated?????"

I must have missed that! Now, when did this happen?


"Meh, people like you, meh." Children like you always seem to assume they've won their hard fought debate when the adult they're debating with decides it's like talking to a wall. And ya know what? That's fine. You're really not that significant to me for it to matter.

Now:

DID YOU READ THE ARTICLE??? YES OR NO?? Tell us what it was about. Was it about the o-line? Yes or no? You read the head-line and MAYBE my comments and then started typing on your lil' 'puter. I stand by my comment about what you are.


I'm sorry that you hated the draft pick, but we got Bell and most of the football world involving the Pittsburgh Steelers are happy with him. Learn to deal with it.

There wasn't much of a debate on your part. You posted some insults(as usual) and then ran. It's typical for you people.

I am fine with the pick. Although I thought the 2nd round could have been spent elsewhere.

Did the O-line open holes? Yes or no? You keep running.

In the future try to accept that people are going to have different opinions than your own. There is no reason to lash out because of it.

[NJarhead]

There wasn't much of a debate on your part. You posted some insults(as usual) and then ran. It's typical for you people.

I am fine with the pick. Although I thought the 2nd round could have been spent elsewhere.

Did the O-line open holes? Yes or no? You keep running.

In the future try to accept that people are going to have different opinions than your own. There is no reason to lash out because of it.

I don't run. Especially from "people like you." Know that.

Did the o-line open holes? Eventually yes, hence where my comment on Bell's patience applies. Can you understand that? I expect you Bell skeptics and o-line apologists to fade as the season progresses.

Again, let me clarify one thing for you, no one here is going to "run from you." No one. Now, using your logic, should I conclude that since you haven't answered MY questions, that you are the one who is "running away humiliated?"

I'll wait.