but that's what its going to take to run behind this lineOriginally Posted by Texasteel
but that's what its going to take to run behind this line
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He helped put us in a position to have a chance to win this game. But we turned the ball over twice and that was the difference in the end. And our little rookie had nothing to do with either turnover. So yeah he was a plus. And he looks like he has decent hands as well.
I don't know if anything short of an excorist can help this team win a game at this point. But the kid sure wasn't part of the problem today Siss. Our guy Ben and Mike Adams however...
"A man's got to know his limitations."
Huh? He looked like an average RB. When he is given a hole he gets yards. It was the same with Dwyer and Redman. When he didn't get a hole he went nowhere. It all starts with the O-line. The O-line so many said was fixed during the off-season...lol.
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Didn't see any holes myself, but I may have miss something, I did see him make yardage when there was no hole. Bell may in fact turn out to be average, it's still to early to tell, but today, IMO, he looked better than anything we have seen in a Steelers uniform for a while.
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That last line made me laugh my ass off.
I saw the same from Dwyer. As of now, he hasn't shown me anything to suggest he will be anything more than average. For example, he bounced the run outside for a big play. I have seen the same from Dwyer and many other RBs. As you said, it's way too early.
On a different note, did you see the lowering of the head after 3 yards? They still don't call it. They will when a game is on the line. It's the dumbest rule to date.
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No I didn't bud. I had to leave the game for a few minutes and must have missed it. Doesn't surprise me though that they didn't call it. May never call it again, like you said, it's a dumb call, and a dumb rule.
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That's not true I saw a few runs where he made a guy miss in the backfield. If you didn't see a difference in the way he was running compared to dwyer and redman then you are trying not to notice. This was his first game, in london, coming off injury, behind a bad o-line and he ended with 84 total yards 4 catches and 2tds, that is not an average day for a running back especially a rookie, and considering dwyer has 2 career tds in 4 years its not anything we have seen from him.
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Bell is most definitely an upgrade over Dwyer, Redman, Felix Jones, or any other back we might have. You could see he has better vision and more wiggle. There were several plays where it looked as if he made yards our other backs haven't been finding. It was a good first game for him. My only complaint was his flipping into the end zone and the coaching staff not admonishing him for it. While he's flipping he only has one hand on the ball, if that ball comes out it's a touchback and the Vikings ball.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
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You're right on all points, Zu. But I'm willing to forgive the kid this time. It's his first TD, in his first game and he waited along time for it. And we don't actually know that he wasn't talked to about it. Chances are, someone said something.
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In particular, seventy-six, seventy-SUCKS!
I don't recall Gilbert being that bad over on the left, but perhaps I'm mistaken. At this point, I think we could put a cardboard cut out of Wayne Gandy over there it would probably afford Ben an additional 2 seconds from what he's getting now.
After one game I don't see anything to say he is better or worse. I will let the season play out
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I have seen that from average RBs too. It's the same bad O-line the other Steeler RBs run behind.
How can the O-line be bad to you? They are all NFL talents according to your logic.
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Yea I get that one game doesn't make or break a player. But it's all we got to go on right now, and he passed the first test convincingly.
We got a lot to worry about with this team. But if Bell stays healthy running back wont be one of them from what I can see.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
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Im going to say it again: until this team wins a game, he is not apart of anything, solution or otherwise.
Not saying he can't or won't or he is a waist of space, just that until the team wins, he's just a guy who can run.
I have a hard time saying 3.6 YPC is a bright spot ... but suit yourselves
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Behind our blocking? Are you serious?
"A man's got to know his limitations."
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Yea, 3.6 isn't anything to rave about, however, it would have been lower if not for the ability Bell exhibited; the ability to cut behind the los (as someone mentioned earlier).
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And so is Ben just a guy who can pass? ( and throw interceptions fumble and get sacked?
Ben needs a back teams actually fear a little so play action comes back into the offense. Going forward I see Bell helping this situation out.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
same basic line as last year ... polished turds if you will ....
Dwyer ran for a higher YPC rate a season ago and with 15 carries this year is at 3.2 .... 3.6 is not much better and worse than what we had last year and if that was not good enough how is 3.6 now good enough or worthy of a bright spot mention ??
2 TDs is noteworthy but nothing spectacular about it ....
I seen NOTHING that I have not seen from Dwyer
that is not to say he is not or will not be better in the long run ( pardon the pun ) but as of right now to call his play a bright spot .... that is a light in the fog I am unable to see from what we have seen of him to this point
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By the way 3.6 x 3 = 10.8. First down! And besides Jerome Bettis had 4 full seasons as a Steeler where his ypc were 3.6 or less.
Now I'm not going there and comparing Bell to the bus, but 3.6 yards per carry relative to situation isn't necessarily a bad thing for a back. There was one play where I thought Bell cut to the outside ( for no gain) where it looked like the play was designed for the middle where there looked to be at least a few yards to be had. Outside of that play I thought he got or exceeded what he was given on every other touch.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
all I am saying is we did not draft a RB in the second round to deliver 3.6 YPC and supplant the guy who was a 5th round pick who averaged 4.0 YPC the season before .....
if expectations around here are that 3.6 is a bright spot why the hell was so many down and ragging on Dwyer at 4.0 ?
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Last years line isn't this years's line. When Dwyer was racking up those yards Colon, and Pouncey were clearing holes. Also Foster and Adams were at their more natural position's of right guard and tackle. And oh yeah we had some guy named Max over at left tackle.
Not even close to the same line, so to expect the same or better results?
"A man's got to know his limitations."
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U mmmmm Ben is not a rookie...I'd like to strangle him, but he is the franchise super bowl winning QB, but is still ours.And so is Ben just a guy who can pass? ( and throw interceptions fumble and get sacked?
Ben needs a back teams actually fear a little so play action comes back into the offense. Going forward I see Bell helping this situation out.
Heath is still HEEEAAAATTTTHHHH and Troy is still Troy (I need a turn over Troy).
I would like Mike Adams head on a platter though...anyone miss Max Starks?
My point is, Im not ready to declare this kid the second coming until we win a game or 3. He looks good. He might be great. But we haven't won a game yet.
The least of my worries is RB. I agree he did more positive than negative.
IMO, the Steelers will go into next season with the same poor O-line while adding some untalented castoffs to provide depth.
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Ok I get all that. Now go back and read the thread title and explain where it was stated that Bell is the 2nd coming?
Saying he was a bright spot and that he looks like he could be the real deal doesn't seem any sort of declaration of greatness to me?
"A man's got to know his limitations."
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The thing is if you know what you're doing you can make a line out of untalented castoff's. Look at Seattle yesterday, 3 starting o-linemen missed the game yet they somehow managed not to embarrasses themselves.
The point being ( which you're well aware of) it's as much about who's picking the talent and coaching the talent as the talent itself. The point was made about Beachum earlier, why isn't he playing when he's grading out higher on film than the other tackles? Because the other guys are 2nd round draft picks and Beachum was a 7th rounder. They want to prove themselves right in their draft evaluation rather than field the best possible football team.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
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We did pretty good with a cast-off at center this year. I think he deserves to stay after this season.
our new Center graded out higher than Pouncey did last year so it is an upgrade IMO ....
most everyone here bitched about Max so trying to use him as a positive kind of skews the entire debate ( even though I liked him )
Adams natural spot is where he is LT ( but he plays better on the right side )
Colon was a walking talking penalty flag and hurt as much as he helped ( not to mention was injured more than half the time )
leaving Gilbert , Adams , Decastro and Foster whom all started at one point or another last year ..so yes in a way the same guys but I understand your point as well ....
3.6 ypc is NOT good enough for the style of football we are trying to produce ... if your QB slings it 51 times you should be averaging over 5 YPC with a guy off the street on crutches
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he is an upgrade IMO ... Pounceys days should be numbered or moved to guard
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I think there should be competition for center. Pouncey moving to guard wouldn't be a bad option at all. Unless Velasco is better at guard. Ramon Foster is too slow to be a pulling guard. With his size, he "might" be able to compete for tackle. But I may just be getting silly.
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By the way the people who graded Pouncey as the 16th best center last year also had Heath Miller pretty low as a blocker relative to the league's other tight ends. So I'd take what they say with a grain of salt.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
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