Fire Tomlin, Fire Bicknell, Trade Ben, reboot

[Count Steeler]

Funny how the Eagles had no trouble with the Raiders defense today.

Foles with 7 TDs. Yup, we are on the right road.

[Mistah Q]

So what do you think? Does Haley feel like the offense gelled today?

Considering we managed to put up some points despite the horrible O-line, ran the ball, maybe even had a chance if Ben doesn't miss Heath...

I think Haley is the least of our problems right now. Bicknell sure needs to be canned though.

[Lambert_Loonie]

Remember when Marvin Lewis was considered a laughing stock in Cinci? Look at the 2013 Bengals under Lewis now......

Be careful what you wish for.

I wouldn't go as far as saying I'd rather have Marvin Lewis, but I'd sure as hell would rather have Jay Gruden as OC and Mike Zimmer as DC.

[Butch]

I have one question who is the guy/guys who are making player personel decisions? Let go of Dwyer on the last day of cuts then bring him back in just a week later??? Cut Butler as our punter to bring in a guy who is more expensive and has about the same talent. Then cut the punter we brought in??? This is as bad as the losses we have had. You wonder why this team is so inconsistant look at these decisions...it starts at the top.

[zulater]

Considering we managed to put up some points despite the horrible O-line, ran the ball, maybe even had a chance if Ben doesn't miss Heath...

I think Haley is the least of our problems right now. Bicknell sure needs to be canned though.

0 points in the 4th quarter again. And notice the Eagles had no trouble with the Raiders defense today. Plus Ben hates the SOB. His sorry ass should have been fired weeks ago.

[Count Steeler]

I have one question who is the guy/guys who are making player personel decisions? Let go of Dwyer on the last day of cuts then bring him back in just a week later??? Cut Butler as our punter to bring in a guy who is more expensive and has about the same talent. Then cut the punter we brought in??? This is as bad as the losses we have had. You wonder why this team is so inconsistant look at these decisions...it starts at the top.

Yup. Maybe the fans should run the team for a month.

[Mistah Q]

Plus Ben hates the SOB.

Maybe but Ben has maybe three years of career left. This organization as it is can't offer him a decent shot within that timeframe. It might be in both parties best interest to trade him, as much as I hate the idea... it may be decades before we have another QB like him.

[Count Steeler]

Considering we managed to put up some points despite the horrible O-line, ran the ball, maybe even had a chance if Ben doesn't miss Heath...

I think Haley is the least of our problems right now. Bicknell sure needs to be canned though.

That is the problem. Just because they put up 31 points, doesn't mean the offensive wows have ended. This was against a sub-par NE defense in a run and gun game. Still lots of problems on O. Still look disorganized and ill prepared. Ben's sandlot play aside.

0 points in the 4th quarter again. And notice the Eagles had no trouble with the Raiders defense today. Plus Ben hates the SOB. His sorry ass should have been fired weeks ago.

Zu, I think you meant the 1st quarter. 0 points.

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Maybe but Ben has maybe three years of career left. This organization as it is can't offer him a decent shot within that timeframe. It might be in both parties best interest to trade him, as much as I hate the idea... it may be decades before we have another QB like him.

That is what I am thinking. Stockpile the draft picks, you never know.

[GBMelBlount]

I hate to break it to you, but no matter what we do, we're not going to have plenty of cap room.

Something like $75 million is tied up in six guys next year, and if we cut or trade them, the cap hit becomes even WORSE.

Anyway, at least I'd fire the O-Line coach, because seriously, what the flying fuck are we doing out there with all the picks and money we've spent trying to fix it. The rest.. ahh, I don't know, but I'd suggest drinking.

THIS.

We are probably stuck between a rock and a hard place for the next few years.

[st33lersguy]

This team is only going to get worse if we don't clean house

[Mistah Q]

As far as I'm concerned, rookies and backups should play the rest of the season. Find out what you have, who to keep and whom to expend.

[smokin3000gt]

The more I think about it... I wonder if Cowher would come back here. His daughter's done with school, he's got roots in the area; Rooneys give him all the control he wants. And then we pray we don't wind up with a Slash QB project...

Cowher's tank has been on empty for a long time. Besides that, his life is on auto pilot. He gets paid a bunch of cash to hang out and talk football. I doubt he or anyone would want to trade that in just to stick their head in the oven.

[Dwinsgames]

I wont defend Haley but fact of the matter is as horrid as the line is playing we really do not know what he may have accomplished its been doomed before it ever starts ..... this team has more issues than carter has liver pills

[tube517]

Funny how the Eagles had no trouble with the Raiders defense today.

Because we are that bad.

[silver & black]

And notice the Eagles had no trouble with the Raiders defense today.

What defense? Back to to being the Raiders of the last decade.

[SteelerFanInStl]

I wouldn't go as far as saying I'd rather have Marvin Lewis, but I'd sure as hell would rather have Jay Gruden as OC and Mike Zimmer as DC.

That's exactly what has made Lewis a "better" coach. The Bengals hired good coaches to help him. The Steelers have done a poor job of hiring coaches, mainly just hiring guys with ties to the Steelers or the Pittsburgh area.

[dislocatedday]

While I am not making excuses for the coaching staff, does anybody else think the bigger problem is an overall lack of talented football players on this squad? Outside of the older veterans who are still playing excellent football (Troy, Ben, Ike, Heath, Timmons), the only young guys who are consistently excelling IMO and look like very good football players today are Antonio Brown, David DeCastro, and Fernando Velasco (I'm excepting Maurkice Pouncey due to injury). Cam Heyward and Leveon Bell have high-level talent and look like they are on the path to becoming excellent to great players.

There are very young guys still learning as well who I think will get it going for this team in the future (Shamarko Thomas, Jarvis Jones, Cortez Allen), but that is about it. Everywhere else I see mediocrity at best, and pitiful play more often than not.

I do think Haley is a mismatch for this squad. However, when the O-line was intact and playing consistently well in the middle of last season, the offense looked productive for a few games in a row and Ben was playing lights out............so maybe his offense is not the problem, but the injuries and talent of the tackles on this O-line are the bigger problem for this offense.

[plenewken]

Do you really think our older veterans are still playing excellent football? C'mon! Troy is pretty much inexistant in coverage, misses a bunch of tackles and commits stupid penalties, Ike is directly responsible for at least 2 big plays by the opponent week in and week out, Ben consistently puts us in a deep hole right from the get go, oh and don't even get me started with Woodley.
This team is a wreck on both sides of the ball, no ifs ands or buts, and our veterans are not playing up to the standard we expect from them, much less considering the $$$ we pay them.

[dislocatedday]

Do you really think our older veterans are still playing excellent football? C'mon! Troy is pretty much inexistant in coverage, misses a bunch of tackles and commits stupid penalties, Ike is directly responsible for at least 2 big plays by the opponent week in and week out, Ben consistently puts us in a deep hole right from the get go, oh and don't even get me started with Woodley.
This team is a wreck on both sides of the ball, no ifs ands or buts, and our veterans are not playing up to the standard we expect from them, much less considering the $$$ we pay them.

I do think Troy and Ike are having great years. Ike consistently shuts down the opposing team's top receiver, and has done so for years including this one. No matter how good a CB is, he is going to get beat sometimes. Ike is no exception in that regard. I don't think there are many CBs better than him in this league, and I feel Ike has been under-appreciated for years IMO. Troy is asked to do everything for this D and he nearly does. I've seen him break up plenty of pass plays this year. Yesterday was a sub-par game for him, but yes overall he has been stellar this season.

While Ben's play seems to be a point of debate among fans, I wholeheartedly think Ben is still an elite player at his position. Many disagree, but I think Ben is not one of the problems on this team. With this Oline (primarily the tackles) he is consistently trying to squeeze lemonade out of lemons while under durress. I also think the playcalling is suspect this year and not varied enough. Why does this team hardly run any quick slant patterns with the receivers? The quick passes are always bubble screens to the wide receivers.

[steeldawg]

I do think Troy and Ike are having great years. Ike consistently shuts down the opposing team's top receiver, and has done so for years including this one. No matter how good a CB is, he is going to get beat sometimes. Ike is no exception in that regard. I don't think there are many CBs better than him in this league, and I feel Ike has been under-appreciated for years IMO. Troy is asked to do everything for this D and he nearly does. I've seen him break up plenty of pass plays this year. Yesterday was a sub-par game for him, but yes overall he has been stellar this season.

While Ben's play seems to be a point of debate among fans, I wholeheartedly think Ben is still an elite player at his position. Many disagree, but I think Ben is not one of the problems on this team. With this Oline (primarily the tackles) he is consistently trying to squeeze lemonade out of lemons while under durress. I also think the playcalling is suspect this year and not varied enough. Why does this team hardly run any quick slant patterns with the receivers? The quick passes are always bubble screens to the wide receivers.

Ben has been playing well this year, I think the problem is we are not real strong at wide receiver, Which is why you don't see us start moving the ball till we are down by 2 or 3 touchdowns and the defense tends to back off. With our wide outs we are asking ben to complete more passes more consistently in order to sustain drives, then we put him behind a bad o-line and viola you have an inconsistent offense that puts up a lot of stats trying to dig themselves out of huge holes and also leads to more turnovers.

[Psycho Ward 86]

I do think Troy and Ike are having great years. Ike consistently shuts down the opposing team's top receiver, and has done so for years including this one. No matter how good a CB is, he is going to get beat sometimes. Ike is no exception in that regard. I don't think there are many CBs better than him in this league, and I feel Ike has been under-appreciated for years IMO. Troy is asked to do everything for this D and he nearly does. I've seen him break up plenty of pass plays this year. Yesterday was a sub-par game for him, but yes overall he has been stellar this season.

While Ben's play seems to be a point of debate among fans, I wholeheartedly think Ben is still an elite player at his position. Many disagree, but I think Ben is not one of the problems on this team. With this Oline (primarily the tackles) he is consistently trying to squeeze lemonade out of lemons while under durress. I also think the playcalling is suspect this year and not varied enough. Why does this team hardly run any quick slant patterns with the receivers? The quick passes are always bubble screens to the wide receivers.

"subpar" and "solid" have got to be the most overused and abused words around here. Troy was awful yesterday. 3 gut wrenching penalties, and getting roasted on a plethora of big plays. Yes, nice forced fumble troy, but im tired of hearing that "troy is back." The troy of 2004-2008 is looooong gone. Even in 2010 when he won dpoy, he wasnt nearly as good as he was from 2004-2008. Troy has lost many steps in pass coverage before this game against the patriots ever happened. Seemed very obvious to me, but i guess when people throw around troy compliments and nod in general agreement, people just pretend its true. He's still basically the same guy when blitzing and attacking the run. But thats it. He isnt feared like he used to. How many times have we seen Troy challenged in the past couple of years? There was a time when troy was truly invincible. Invincible players dont get challenged, especially not with frequency.

not saying troy is part of the problem. he just shouldnt be getting as much credit this season as he has been getting imo.

And this is slightly off topic but damn. Hindsight is a painful thing. If we knew we were going to be this bad this season, it wouldve been nice to let sanders go and cut ike and take the cap hit for this season so that we couldve locked up keenan for cheap. Keenan in new orleans. look how thats working out . sorry to beat a dead horse people

[JayC]

keenan might not be a big time name but he should have been resigned for sure. unlike tomlin, i don't think the cowher regime would have let him walk like that

[SteelerFanInStl]

keenan might not be a big time name but he should have been resigned for sure. unlike tomlin, i don't think the cowher regime would have let him walk like that

Keenan didn't want to stay in Pittsburgh. He wanted to go to New Orleans to be closer to his family.

[st33lersguy]

Keenan didn't want to stay in Pittsburgh. He wanted to go to New Orleans to be closer to his family.

Bet Keenan sure is glad he didn't stay in this crap show