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    Splendor Amid Poverty: Gallery Nights With Cuba's Gilded Elite
    http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...-elite/261956/

    A photographer's inside look at the secret lives of Havana's super-rich, just down the street from its many poor, are a reminder that this supposed communist paradise is anything but equal.

    How, you can almost hear Karl Marx asking from the grave, did an ostensibly communist country become so riven by disparity? The simplest answer may be that Fidel Castro's struggle for power was never truly a "peasant revolution."

    As a young man Fidel actually joined the Partido Ortodoxo, an anti-communist political party. The CIA told the U.S. Senate in 1959 that "we believe Castro is not a member of the Communist party," and, as late as 1961 American political scientists were still arguing over his status as a communist. Castro himself repeatedly denied an affiliation throughout his rise to power; it wasn't until after U.S. President Eisenhower refused to support Castro's presidency that he began to develop a relationship with the Soviet Union. Although a half-century of politically charged rhetoric and rhetorically defended politics have obscured this history, Fidel Castro's interest in politics was never really Marxist.

    Before taking power, Fidel referred to nationalization as a "cumbersome instrument," and pledged to not nationalize the sugar industry. He even wrote in Coronet Magazine in 1958 that he was fighting for a "genuine representative government." But after taking power, it didn't take long for Castro to change his tune. Immediately after U.S.-backed President Fulgencio Batista fled, Fidel, apparently worried about consolidating his position, arrested some of his most important former comrades-in-arms. Castro's former brother-in-law, Raphael Diaz Balart, said of Castro's motivations at the time: "He was just in that moment an opportunist leader who wanted to promote himself."

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    Half a century later, the Castros are still here, firmly at the top of the ruling class. Looking at Dweck's photos, it's clear the glorious revolution left Cuba's classless society with a few people on top of the pile.On the evening of Michael Dweck's grand opening, Alex Castro, as well as Che Guevara's son Camilo, wandered upstairs with a few armed bodyguards, where his own photo was waiting to stare back at him. Later, another of Fidel's sons, Alejandro Castro, joked to Dweck, "Thanks for making me famous."
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    Quote Originally Posted by GBMelBlount View Post
    Socialists or not Sweden has has a good educational system and forces all foreigners to assimilate by learning the language.

    That is not the case here.

    In American the liberals have purposely divided this country, coddled immigrants, dumbed down education, miseducated people and promoted class warfare, laziness and an entitlement mentality.

    The problem in America is not capitalism...it is the way our governemnt has turned the people against it even to the point of creating an upper middle class (in relative terms) of government employees at the expense of a lower middle class in the private sector.

    They are driving our country into the ground and wrongly blaming freedom and capitalism.

    I am curious if there is the type of massive government corruption in Sweden that there is in the U.S.
    No, there is not....while most politicians worldwide go to the same school ( ) .......the gov is pretty transparent there. One other simple thing... when a person dies his/her social security benefits are not for the governments keeping. They are divided and given to tax payers retirement at the years end. Better than the gov keeping it and more fair imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zulater View Post
    So in your world communist countries don't have any seperation of classes? !
    First communism does not mean socialism, second the social philosophy of communism is this "All class distinctions are eliminated". That is not my world that is the real world, capitalism creates classes, where as socialist societies distribute wealth as to eliminate classes of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steeldawg View Post
    First communism does not mean socialism, second the social philosophy of communism is this "All class distinctions are eliminated". That is not my world that is the real world, capitalism creates classes, where as socialist societies distribute wealth as to eliminate classes of people.

    That only works in the world of rainbows and unicorns.

    There will always be classes even with socialism. There will be the haves and the havenots. Socialism is for thee not me.


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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach1 View Post
    That only works in the world of rainbows and unicorns.

    There will always be classes even with socialism. There will be the haves and the havenots. Socialism is for thee not me.
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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Quote Originally Posted by GBMelBlount View Post
    Sounds like people in Sweden are happy.


















    Most of those pic's are from Switzerland..... the blond George Bush is from Texas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    Most of those pic's are from Switzerland..... the blond George Bush is from Texas.
    LOL. It was slim pickins.

    However I do think the military convoy was Swedish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GBMelBlount View Post
    LOL. It was slim pickins.

    However I do think the military convoy was Swedish.
    There still is a required military draft in Sweden...even if one is a conscientious objector. They must serve in a non-bearing arms position. They also manufacture some of the best military equipment and aircraft. SAAB made aircraft before cars.. The SA (Swedish Airplane) AB (aktiebolag) which would be like inc here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    There still is a required military draft in Sweden...even if one is a conscientious objector. They must serve in a non-bearing arms position. They also manufacture some of the best military equipment and aircraft. SAAB made aircraft before cars.. The SA (Swedish Airplane) AB (aktiebolag) which would be like inc here.
    All of these things make sense Shoes....socialism aside......the United States does none of these things that successful countries are doing and that is why we are circling the drain imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach1 View Post
    That only works in the world of rainbows and unicorns.

    There will always be classes even with socialism. There will be the haves and the havenots. Socialism is for thee not me.
    Not in a true socialist society, there will not be haves and have nots ,that's the whole point of socialism. Even Sweden is not a true socialist society its a combination of capitalism and socialism.

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    Wait a minute. Isn't Ben Roethlisberger Sweeeeeed, oh I mean Swissssssss ?

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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Quote Originally Posted by steeldawg View Post
    Not in a true socialist society, there will not be haves and have nots ,that's the whole point of socialism. Even Sweden is not a true socialist society its a combination of capitalism and socialism.



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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Quote Originally Posted by zulater View Post
    I've got no problem with Socialists. But any time you ask a Democrat if they're for Socialist reform, of if their policies are Socialist, or if they themselves are Socialists you get a blanket denial. Our current President included. So if what's you are say it proudly, don't lie and deny and there's no issue.

    It's because the American public is stupid. And labeling yourself a "socialist" would be political suicide. Most of the people who use the word don't know what it entails. All most people believe, is that everything is Bush's fault, big business is bad and the "rich" should be taxed more - something to the tune of 99% sounds about fair. It's why we chose to re-elect Barack Obama the honest lawyer over he-who-shall-not-be-named the dirty business man. Socialism can "work". Hell, so can traditional communism to an extent. But what do you have to give up to see the benefits? Longterm at least? Too much. And even if it would work, this coutry wasn't built for it and the transition would be hell. And within a few years, people would be begging to have the freedoms they lost in the process back. I sure as hell know I'd rather live poorly in a country where I have a chance to make something spectacular of myself, than I would live OKAY in a country that I would always just be living OKAY.

    All of that aside, and while I do believe Obama is absolutely a socialist, I don't take this as an admission of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven View Post
    It's because the American public is stupid. And labeling yourself a "socialist" would be political suicide. Most of the people who use the word don't know what it entails. All most people believe, is that everything is Bush's fault, big business is bad and the "rich" should be taxed more - something to the tune of 99% sounds about fair. It's why we chose to re-elect Barack Obama the honest lawyer over he-who-shall-not-be-named the dirty business man. Socialism can "work". Hell, so can traditional communism to an extent. But what do you have to give up to see the benefits? Longterm at least? Too much. And even if it would work, this coutry wasn't built for it and the transition would be hell. And within a few years, people would be begging to have the freedoms they lost in the process back. I sure as hell know I'd rather live poorly in a country where I have a chance to make something spectacular of myself, than I would live OKAY in a country that I would always just be living OKAY.

    All of that aside, and while I do believe Obama is absolutely a socialist, I don't take this as an admission of it.
    Yeah I kind of knew that. And it's coming, it wont be long before the Democrats admit they're socialists. Just like Obama wouldn't support gay marriage 5 years ago, the political landscape is changing and soon it will be coming out of the closet time for the Democrats and they'll admit to what they are openly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach1 View Post
    Pretty much this. I'm sure car thieves are fairly content and well- provided for in the short- term too.
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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Quote Originally Posted by zulater View Post
    Yeah I kind of knew that. And it's coming, it wont be long before the Democrats admit they're socialists. Just like Obama wouldn't support gay marriage 5 years ago, the political landscape is changing and soon it will be coming out of the closet time for the Democrats and they'll admit to what they are openly.
    I figured the question was rhetorical, but for the benefit of others I wanted to answer it. Because even though most of us know the answer, the question is just. And I completely agree. Socialist beliefs will be more acceptable in a few years after the public becomes more aware of what it means. IE: more for me now, screw the future.
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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Sweden Riots Spotlight Growing Economic Rift

    STOCKHOLM—A week of riots here stemming from allegations of widespread racism and reflecting a growing socioeconomic rift eased over the weekend, but not before dealing Sweden's reputation for equality and tolerance a severe black eye.

    Several suburbs of Stockholm during the past week witnessed arson attacks and violence against police called in to limit the damage. Dozens of people were arrested and more than 100 automobiles set on fire, eroding the predictability that underpins Swedish life.

    Many have attributed the riots to teenagers with too much spare time, a lack of direction and a desire for attention. Millions live in the sprawling metropolitan Stockholm area, but only hundreds are believed to have been involved in riots and even fewer to have participated in vandalism or violence.

    "It's really very simple," Fredrik Karrholm, a political columnist, wrote in an editorial published Sunday in Swedish Dagladet. "Some boys are allowed to run around and wreak havoc….They resort to violence for the fun of it, for the adrenaline rush."

    Mr. Karrholm, like many Stockholm locals, insists there is no deeper political meaning. Still, the riots have drawn close attention to recent reports of a growing economic divide that appears to be cutting along ethnic lines.

    In Husby, where 11,000 people are estimated to live and where the rioting began on May 19, 20% of those considered to be youths are not in school and do not have jobs, according to data published Sunday by Stockholm daily Dagens Nyheter. Sweden's overall unemployment rate, by contrast, is 8.7%.
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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Quote Originally Posted by Count Steeler View Post

    Many have attributed the riots to teenagers with too much spare time, a lack of direction and a desire for attention. Millions live in the sprawling metropolitan Stockholm area, but only hundreds are believed to have been involved in riots and even fewer to have participated in vandalism or violence.

    "It's really very simple," Fredrik Karrholm, a political columnist, wrote in an editorial published Sunday in Swedish Dagladet. "Some boys are allowed to run around and wreak havoc….They resort to violence for the fun of it, for the adrenaline rush."

    full story @ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...136735842.html
    ...and this folks is how socialists splain away violence in their socialist country:

    "In socialist countries people only resort to violence for fun!"

    Imagine if it was the U.S...."It's all because of the evils of capitalism and freedom folks".

    But seriously, with Sweden being the size of a state in the U.S. and their requirements of outsiders to be properly educated and assimilate it is easier for things to work (even though they have a 9% unemployment rate...).

    The problem in U.S. isn't freedom, it is our government poorly educating our people, miseducating our people, and also CREATING group and class warfare for THEIR own benefit.
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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Quote Originally Posted by steeldawg View Post
    Not in a true socialist society, there will not be haves and have nots.
    Just a whole lot of "have very littles". lol.
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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Quote Originally Posted by GBMelBlount View Post
    ...and this folks is how socialists splain away violence in their socialist country:

    "In socialist countries people only resort to violence for fun!"

    Imagine if it was the U.S...."It's all because of the evils of capitalism and freedom folks".

    But seriously, with Sweden being the size of a state in the U.S. and their requirements of outsiders to be properly educated and assimilate it is easier for things to work (even though they have a 9% unemployment rate...).

    The problem in U.S. isn't freedom, it is our government poorly educating our people, miseducating our people, and also CREATING group and class warfare for THEIR own benefit.
    Sweden is a capitalist economy, yes their government does control some industries to insure they have certain things and they have single payer healthcare but for the most part businesses are privately owned so you are going to have unemployment. Also government does not create class warfare, our brand of capitalism and our large gaps in income inequality create class warfare. The top 1% of our country controls 42% of the wealth and the bottom 80% controls 7%, I mean just think about that 1% of a country of 300 million people controls 42% of its wealth that's insane.

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