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    "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

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    You may be forgiven if you missed it during last week’s tsunami of scandals, but President Obama finally let slip that he is a socialist.

    Buried in the 17th paragraph of one of those mewling New York Times pieces on the woes of Obama — can we start calling him Woe-bama yet? — appeared these two words: “going Bulworth.”

    Obama himself, the Times explained, has been “longingly” telling his inner circle that what he’d really like to do is what Sen. Jay Bulworth, played by Warren Beatty in his 1998 movie “Bulworth,” did: to go public as an unabashed, angry and admitted socialist.

    It’s as if Ronald Reagan had been caught saying he wanted to “Go Strangelove.”

    In confessing his dreams of “going Bulworth,” Obama confirmed that what he thinks and what he says out loud are two different things. He let slip the mask of a center-left moderate — a “pragmatist” who only cares about “what works.” The press and even right-of-center columnists like Ross Douthat and David Brooks have always insisted that this completely unconvincing masquerade is genuine.





    Yet the flip side of Obama’s fantasy is what’s getting him into trouble: His administration may not be able to say what it fervently believes, but it can muzzle others who want to speak their minds.

    The Benghazi e-mails show that his administration sought to shut up the CIA and conceal the damaging truth that it always knew al Qaeda terrorists (not demonstrators) attacked us last Sept. 11 in Libya. The AP scandal shows his Justice Department clamping down on what reporters say. The IRS scandal reveals his tax minions trying to silence the Tea Party.

    This is an administration that wishes only one man ever got a chance to speak up, loud and proud, in unapologetically socialist terms — while everybody else gets a strip of duct tape slapped over their mouths.

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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    The headline should read "BREAKING NEWS: OBAMA TELLS THE TRUTH"

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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    You don't think that's a bit of a stretch?
    When somebody says "going postal", do you take that literally as "going to get a job with the USPS and shooting up your coworkers"?

    Obama *is* a socialist, but calling this an "admission" is absurd.
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    Obama will destroy this country faster so that a libertarian can come in sooner and turn things around through.....gridlock.
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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Quote Originally Posted by GBMelBlount View Post
    Obama will destroy this country faster so that a libertarian can come in sooner and turn things around through.....gridlock.

    Sounds like a good plan!
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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Obama sucks......but so does saying everything in a *socialist country* is wrong or evil. I lived and worked many, many years in Sweden and I can say without any hesitation that the middle class worker is treated much better and has far more freedom and liberty than the middle class worker here in the US....by leaps and bounds. The Swedish economy is strong, there are endless small businesses and they kept the Krona over the euro. Norway, Sweden's neighbor is also *socialist* and is the second richest country in the world with a growing economy and a per person income of nearly $57K.

    Do you pay higher taxes in these countries? Sure, but you get back and see a lot of the benefit of your tax money. We seem to think it is honorable to pay taxes and get nothing in return. There is no perfect system, but countries like Sweden and Norway have taken capitalist ideas and blended them with what works in their brand of socialism to the betterment of all.

    Obama's ideas are a cluster and would never work here.....but we still haven't changed to the metric system which makes far more sense and is much easier to use.

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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    Obama sucks......but so does saying everything in a *socialist country* is wrong or evil. I lived and worked many, many years in Sweden and I can say without any hesitation that the middle class worker is treated much better and has far more freedom and liberty than the middle class worker here in the US....by leaps and bounds. The Swedish economy is strong, there are endless small businesses and they kept the Krona over the euro. Norway, Sweden's neighbor is also *socialist* and is the second richest country in the world with a growing economy and a per person income of nearly $57K.

    Do you pay higher taxes in these countries? Sure, but you get back and see a lot of the benefit of your tax money. We seem to think it is honorable to pay taxes and get nothing in return. There is no perfect system, but countries like Sweden and Norway have taken capitalist ideas and blended them with what works in their brand of socialism to the betterment of all.

    Obama's ideas are a cluster and would never work here.....but we still haven't changed to the metric system which makes far more sense and is much easier to use.
    I would imagine running a country with a population 3% the size of the U.S. is a bit easier.

    I also wonder if most of the people in these countries are better educated and have a more homogenous ethnicity.
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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    Obama sucks......but so does saying everything in a *socialist country* is wrong or evil. I lived and worked many, many years in Sweden and I can say without any hesitation that the middle class worker is treated much better and has far more freedom and liberty than the middle class worker here in the US....by leaps and bounds. The Swedish economy is strong, there are endless small businesses and they kept the Krona over the euro. Norway, Sweden's neighbor is also *socialist* and is the second richest country in the world with a growing economy and a per person income of nearly $57K.

    Do you pay higher taxes in these countries? Sure, but you get back and see a lot of the benefit of your tax money. We seem to think it is honorable to pay taxes and get nothing in return. There is no perfect system, but countries like Sweden and Norway have taken capitalist ideas and blended them with what works in their brand of socialism to the betterment of all.

    Obama's ideas are a cluster and would never work here.....but we still haven't changed to the metric system which makes far more sense and is much easier to use.
    I don't define "good" or "bad" by the definition you're using here. Socialism may be fine 'n' dandy for Sweden, but it's fundamentally incompatible with our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GBMelBlount View Post
    I would imagine running a country with a population 3% the size of the U.S. is a bit easier.

    I also wonder if most of the people in these countries are better educated and have a more homogenous ethnicity.
    I'd say they are better educated but these countries have taken on very large numbers of refugees over the last 20 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    I'd say they are better educated but these countries have taken on very large numbers of refugees over the last 20 years.
    Interesting, refugees from where Shoes?

    ....and do you know what percentage of the population the "refugees" make up?
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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Quote Originally Posted by GoSlash27 View Post
    I don't define "good" or "bad" by the definition you're using here. Socialism may be fine 'n' dandy for Sweden, but it's fundamentally incompatible with our Constitution.
    Most folks lump *socialism* as bad...out of ignorance. Since when is changing to the metric system incompatible with our Constitution?

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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    Most folks lump *socialism* as bad...out of ignorance. Since when is changing to the metric system incompatible with our Constitution?
    It's incompatible to football! That's all I need to be against it!
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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    Most folks lump *socialism* as bad...out of ignorance. Since when is changing to the metric system incompatible with our Constitution?
    I never said anything about the Metric system. I was talking about socialism.
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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Quote Originally Posted by GBMelBlount View Post
    Interesting, refugees from where Shoes?

    ....and do you know what percentage of the population the "refugees" make up?
    Most from Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Syria (and Kurds from all of these countries), all the Baltic States and many groups from the Kosovo war. I believe Swedish population is just over 9 million with just over 1.5 being foreigners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoSlash27 View Post
    I never said anything about the Metric system. I was talking about socialism.
    I know what you were talking about thus the

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    It's incompatible to football! That's all I need to be against it!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    Most from Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Syria (and Kurds from all of these countries), all the Baltic States and many groups from the Kosovo war. I believe Swedish population is just over 9 million with just over 1.5 being foreigners.
    I would imagine alot of these 1.5 million foreigners are greatful and appreciative for the opportunities they have to live in sweden and build a life.

    I am wondering if much of the Swedish population subsists on entrenched generational welfare and the corresponding entitlement mentality.

    Also, do you know what the ratio of public to private sector employees are and what % of the population works?

    I guess my point is if you feel that lack of appreciation for socialism is based on ignorance I would like to be enlightened as to why.

    I don't mean to hammer you with questions....just interested in finding out WHY it works there and doesn't in other places like the U.S. & Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GBMelBlount View Post
    I would imagine alot of these 1.5 million foreigners are greatful and appreciative for the opportunities they have to live in sweden and build a life.

    I am wondering if much of the Swedish population subsists on entrenched generational welfare and are raised with an entitlement mentality.
    The only entitlement mentality I've experienced is expecting a return on your tax money.........I surely don't have a problem with that!

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    The problem with socialism is you end up taxing the hell out of business and hurting business and those most in need of a job are out of a job. Spreading the wealth does not help anyone succeed nor does maximum government ownership which reduces incentives and provides fewer opportunities

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    The only entitlement mentality I've experienced is expecting a return on your tax money.........I surely don't have a problem with that!
    Therein lies a key difference it sounds like....as a very large percentage of this country has an entitlement mentality based on indoctrination by our politicians, educational system and the main stream media.

    That is NOT the case in Sweden in your opinion.
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    GB, I don't know what the ratio of public to private sector employees are and what % of the population works. I do know there is a lot of small business. Everyone I know was working.....all of the foreigners were required to study and speak Swedish before working.

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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Quote Originally Posted by GBMelBlount View Post
    Therein lies a key difference it sounds like....as a very large percentage of this country has an entitlement mentality based on indoctrination by our politicians, educational system and the main stream media.

    That is NOT the case in Sweden in your opinion.
    The politicians, educational system and the main stream media can't use the entitlement mentality for gain because everyone gets back substance for their tax krona.

    Here's some benefits everyone gets for their tax money...
    http://www.muchissaidinjest.com/2010...ove-to-sweden/

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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Even if Pokey is a socialist....who cares? You all seem to have this idea that a Socialist is some sort of Russian 1950's James Bond villain that's going to put you in a work camp of some sort.

    My boss, at the small business I work at, is a socialist. He has not, at any time, tortured me, kidnapped my kids, painted a swastika on my door, or went off on a conquest to find the Holy Grail.

    I could name off the top of my head 10 other things that are more important in American Life to worry about than whether or not the Presidient's ideals run Leftist.

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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Quote Originally Posted by GBMelBlount View Post
    I don't mean to hammer you with questions....just interested in finding out WHY it works there and doesn't in other places like the U.S. & Russia.
    Russia has deep roots in Communism. The American thinking, living and demand ideals are just very different. The ignorance is what is fed from Rush, O'Reilly and other. I have heard first hand.. absolute falsehoods come from their mouths about Sweden. As Paul Simon said * A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest* By the way there are conservatives in Sweden.


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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Quote Originally Posted by The WH View Post
    Even if Pokey is a socialist....who cares? You all seem to have this idea that a Socialist is some sort of Russian 1950's James Bond villain that's going to put you in a work camp of some sort.

    My boss, at the small business I work at, is a socialist. He has not, at any time, tortured me, kidnapped my kids, painted a swastika on my door, or went off on a conquest to find the Holy Grail.

    I could name off the top of my head 10 other things that are more important in American Life to worry about than whether or not the Presidient's ideals run Leftist.
    Funny you mentioned that...lol.

    Article:

    92% Of Americans Are Socialists They Just Don’t Know It

    “How much should the top 20% own?” 92% of them (Americans) preferred the Swedish model of income distribution over the current American economic model.

    LINK: http://www.politicususa.com/american-socialists.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    GB, I don't know what the ratio of public to private sector employees are and what % of the population works. I do know there is a lot of small business. Everyone I know was working.....all of the foreigners were required to study and speak Swedish before working.
    Socialists or not Sweden has has a good educational system and forces all foreigners to assimilate by learning the language.

    That is not the case here.

    In American the liberals have purposely divided this country, coddled immigrants, dumbed down education, miseducated people and promoted class warfare, laziness and an entitlement mentality.

    The problem in America is not capitalism...it is the way our governemnt has turned the people against it even to the point of creating an upper middle class (in relative terms) of government employees at the expense of a lower middle class in the private sector.

    They are driving our country into the ground and wrongly blaming freedom and capitalism.

    I am curious if there is the type of massive government corruption in Sweden that there is in the U.S.
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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    Everyone I know was working.....all of the foreigners were required to study and speak Swedish before working.
    Don't know why, but I just thought of this...




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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Sounds like people in Sweden are happy.
















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    Quote Originally Posted by The WH View Post
    Even if Pokey is a socialist....who cares? You all seem to have this idea that a Socialist is some sort of Russian 1950's James Bond villain that's going to put you in a work camp of some sort.

    My boss, at the small business I work at, is a socialist. He has not, at any time, tortured me, kidnapped my kids, painted a swastika on my door, or went off on a conquest to find the Holy Grail.

    I could name off the top of my head 10 other things that are more important in American Life to worry about than whether or not the Presidient's ideals run Leftist.
    I've got no problem with Socialists. But any time you ask a Democrat if they're for Socialist reform, of if their policies are Socialist, or if they themselves are Socialists you get a blanket denial. Our current President included. So if what's you are say it proudly, don't lie and deny and there's no issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GBMelBlount View Post
    Socialists or not Sweden has has a good educational system and forces all foreigners to assimilate by learning the language.

    That is not the case here.

    In American the liberals have purposely divided this country, coddled immigrants, dumbed down education, miseducated people and promoted class warfare, laziness and an entitlement mentality.

    The problem in America is not capitalism...it is the way our governemnt has turned the people against it even to the point of creating an upper middle class (in relative terms) of government employees at the expense of a lower middle class in the private sector.

    They are driving our country into the ground and wrongly blaming freedom and capitalism.

    I am curious if there is the type of massive government corruption in Sweden that there is in the U.S.
    Our government does not create classes of people, capitalism does. It has nothing to do with being liberal or conservative, as long as you have capitalism you will have class warfare you will always have the "have's" and "have not's" its the nature of the system. As far is liberals being responsible for all the problems in this country that's just the type of baseless rhetoric that's dividing our country.

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    Re: "Obama admit's he's a Socialist"

    Quote Originally Posted by steeldawg View Post
    Our government does not create classes of people, capitalism does. It has nothing to do with being liberal or conservative, as long as you have capitalism you will have class warfare you will always have the "have's" and "have not's" its the nature of the system. As far is liberals being responsible for all the problems in this country that's just the type of baseless rhetoric that's dividing our country.
    So in your world communist countries don't have any seperation of classes? !
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    Quote Originally Posted by zulater View Post
    I've got no problem with Socialists. But any time you ask a Democrat if they're for Socialist reform, of if their policies are Socialist, or if they themselves are Socialists you get a blanket denial. Our current President included. So if what's you are say it proudly, don't lie and deny and there's no issue.
    Because they are not socialists, neither is the president, democrats do not believe in eliminating capitalism or eliminating private ownership. If Obama was a socialist he would not of bailed out the auto industry, we would not have had economic stimulus of a capitalist economy, and the healthcare reform would have been a single payer system.

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