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    Quote Originally Posted by zulater View Post
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    It's one thing to be disgruntled with the current POTUS job performance. It's quite another to suggest the answer may lie in an armed revolution of some sort. I don't remember a poll being conducted in the second terms of any of our former President's.
    Fixed it for you, and no, I'm not being a smart alec. I'd be pretty shocked if six years ago, this wasn't the exact same attitude amongst "liberal" America. But moreover, like I said, it's been going down this path for years.

    And as for armed rebellions/revolutions since the 1900s, how about

    The Colorado Rebellion, 1914
    The Green Corn Rebellion, 1917
    The Battle of Blair Mountain, 1921
    The Weather Underground, 1969-75ish
    The Soldier's Revolt, 1971 (Vietnam, but was American troops)

    Then, you have things like this article discussion secession, in August of 2007. I point to the article because it shows a wide variety of discussions during Bush's last years in office.
    Here's one from Clinton's first four years. This one is an Arizona Bill introduced to Congress to secede from the US, with a majority of other states, and start over.
    Heck, Socorro NM attempted to secede in the middle of the 20th century.

    Just do a search for message board and "armed rebellion." You'll find all types of discussions happening. So, the real issue, is that there wasn't a poll done, and probably, IMO, with the intent of reanimating the gun control argument. (We gotta get guns out of these freaks' hands).


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    Quote Originally Posted by steeldawg View Post
    Its the same group of people who believe everything was just fine until Obama got into office, when the truth of the matter is the state of our country is a product of decades of bad decisions.

    Who is this "same group of people" you are referring to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preacher View Post
    I could be wrong, but I think most people here aren't advocating this path, but rather, are speculating what it would look like.
    Exactly. I don't really know why Zu and Steeldawg have their panties all in a bunch over a discussion about a hypothetical situation.


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    Who is this "same group of people" you are referring to?

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    Exactly. I don't really know why Zu and Steeldawg have their panties all in a bunch over a discussion about a hypothetical situation.
    The poll says 29% of americans believe an armed revolution could be necessary that is scary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preacher View Post
    Fixed it for you, and no, I'm not being a smart alec. I'd be pretty shocked if six years ago, this wasn't the exact same attitude amongst "liberal" America. But moreover, like I said, it's been going down this path for years.

    And as for armed rebellions/revolutions since the 1900s, how about

    The Colorado Rebellion, 1914
    The Green Corn Rebellion, 1917
    The Battle of Blair Mountain, 1921
    The Weather Underground, 1969-75ish
    The Soldier's Revolt, 1971 (Vietnam, but was American troops)

    Then, you have things like this article discussion secession, in August of 2007. I point to the article because it shows a wide variety of discussions during Bush's last years in office.
    Here's one from Clinton's first four years. This one is an Arizona Bill introduced to Congress to secede from the US, with a majority of other states, and start over.
    Heck, Socorro NM attempted to secede in the middle of the 20th century.

    Just do a search for message board and "armed rebellion." You'll find all types of discussions happening. So, the real issue, is that there wasn't a poll done, and probably, IMO, with the intent of reanimating the gun control argument. (We gotta get guns out of these freaks' hands).
    These where either much smaller groups, or they weren't talking about overthrowing the federal government, with the exception of weather underground. If you were to put this poll on a national level and 29% of americans thought an armed revolution was necessary your talking a force of millions of people.

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    I have not seen 1 post from anyone saying grab your guns and ammo and run for the hills and start sniping people ...

    I have not seen anyone make any sort of plan of action , nor has anyone said count me in lets do this Boys ...

    I think the responses have mirrored the article more than anything ...

    I think the responses indicate people are not happy nor comfortable in the direction this country is headed and how our liberties are being plucked away like feathers from a goose 1 by 1 ....

    I think the American people in general are and should be offended by this stripping away of the constitution and the rights provided to its citizens ....

    anytime a large group of people ( or a nation ) is against the way things are going there is talk on how and what it will take to change that direction , this is just part of that talk ...

    what will happen is anyone's guess , but the next few years WILL be crucial in determining the course of action taken by the people , whether it is a armed resistance , large amounts of public protests , a voter turn around unlike anything we have witnessed in the past or not much of anything at all .....

    I hope and pray we DO NOT SEE any armed resistance and I suggest you all do the same but at the same time without huge changes in the way the government does business with its citizens ( the ones who vote them in and out of office and who's voice they should be echoing with legislation ) I can not but feel something is going to happen and suggest we all be ready for that day for our own self preservation ...

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    People who believe that we are on the verge of needing an armed rebellion are idiots. An armed rebellion would not restore constitutional liberties, it would simply destroy America as we know it. By overthrowing our government you would create a lawless nation, thus destroying our protected constitutional rights. The wording of the poll is what is troubling because its people believe that it may be "necessary" , meaning these idiots see no other option other than war. I also hear people saying its to restore constitutional liberties, I would like to know which liberties need restoring?

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    Re: Armed Revolution? 29% of Americans Say Yes

    Quote Originally Posted by steeldawg View Post
    People who believe that we are on the verge of needing an armed rebellion are idiots. An armed rebellion would not restore constitutional liberties, it would simply destroy America as we know it. By overthrowing our government you would create a lawless nation, thus destroying our protected constitutional rights. The wording of the poll is what is troubling because its people believe that it may be "necessary" , meaning these idiots see no other option other than war. I also hear people saying its to restore constitutional liberties, I would like to know which liberties need restoring?
    Hopeys doing a fine job of that all by himself.

    I would like to know which liberties need restoring?
    All of them.


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    Yes, we have a troubling scenario playing out in our country. Liberal socialist types (a minority) are changing this country into a socialist cesspool against the wishes of, I believe, a majority of the country. How does this happen ? How do you stop it ? Our forefathers stated that if the govt becomes tyranical, is our DUTY to overthrow them. I believe they meant through physical force, ie: an armed uprising. However, that was over 200 years ago and things have changed. And no, I don't want to see even the side of right/freedom employing methods used my extremist jihadists. So we do it through debate ? elections ? the Constitution ? Internet ? talk radio ? How do we win against an adversary who doesn't play fair ? How do you overthrow a ruling class who lies/cheats/distorts and goes against every wish of the vast majority (I said it) of the people ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach1 View Post
    Hopeys doing a fine job of that all by himself.



    All of them.
    So as of right now we have no constitutional liberties?

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    Quote Originally Posted by steeldawg View Post
    So as of right now we have no constitutional liberties?
    Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it.


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    Yes, we have a troubling scenario playing out in our country. Liberal socialist types (a minority) are changing this country into a socialist cesspool against the wishes of, I believe, a majority of the country. How does this happen ? How do you stop it ? Our forefathers stated that if the govt becomes tyranical, is our DUTY to overthrow them. I believe they meant through physical force, ie: an armed uprising. However, that was over 200 years ago and things have changed. And no, I don't want to see even the side of right/freedom employing methods used my extremist jihadists. So we do it through debate ? elections ? the Constitution ? Internet ? talk radio ? How do we win against an adversary who doesn't play fair ? How do you overthrow a ruling class who lies/cheats/distorts and goes against every wish of the vast majority (I said it) of the people ?
    Lol we are changing into a socialist cesspool? Last time I looked this country was controlled by big business not a government monopoly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach1 View Post
    Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it.
    You said we need to restore all of our constitutional liberties.

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    Lol we are changing into a socialist cesspool? Last time I looked this country was controlled by big business not a government monopoly.
    *Pssh* As if there's a difference...
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    *Pssh* As if there's a difference...
    Well big business controls everything including the government so we will always be a capitalist country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steeldawg View Post
    Well big business controls everything including the government so we will always be a capitalist country.
    Oooor... the government controls everything including big business so we will always be a socialist country? 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
    Big business and government are locked together like 2 stray dogs in the front yard. Whatever you choose to call it, it's not democracy and it sure as heck ain't "capitalism". They're completely in collusion with each other. Your mistake is your silly notion that one of them is your friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoSlash27 View Post
    Big business and government are locked together like 2 stray dogs in the front yard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoSlash27 View Post
    Oooor... the government controls everything including big business so we will always be a socialist country? 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
    Big business and government are locked together like 2 stray dogs in the front yard. Whatever you choose to call it, it's not democracy and it sure as heck ain't "capitalism". They're completely in collusion with each other. Your mistake is your silly notion that one of them is your friend.
    Well businesses still produce with the goal of making a profit, which is capitalism. I don't think either are my friend, nor are they designed to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steeldawg View Post
    Well businesses still produce with the goal of making a profit, which is capitalism.
    Politicians aren't out to make a profit? Interesting. I guess they're all just in it for the good of their constituents, huh? I can tell you... first hand... that politicians from at least the state level on up, and I would assume on down, are nearly all driven by two things. Money and power. I can tell you... first hand... that unless an issue/bill on the agenda doesn't directly affect a politician's personal life... the vast majority will show up late to the floor... or not at all. And when they do show up, they talk amongst themselves paying very, very little attention to the matter at hand. The most excited I've ever seen this state's senate become was when a debate erupted that begged the question which quarterback is better? Donovan McNabb or Ben Roethlisberger. Not even joking. That is by far the most lively and passionate I have seen anyone in our state government get. During a goddamn sports topic. I saw one senator get worked up once over education reform and that is because his children were homeschooled. And I saw another get excited once over workplace - specifically mining - safety regulations. He was from a coal family. I have personally witnessed more house and senate gatherings in Harrisburg than I can count. And those three examples are the only times I ever recall genuine passion occuring on that floor. Disucssions between representatives about personal side interests and business ventures generally dominate the conversation. They all sleep walk through almost everything constituents care about. Again, these are things I have witnessed with my own eyes and ears. Not once, but daily, on more occasions than I could count. It would be enough to make most citizens lose faith in our political process. There are few good men in government - Democrats and Republicans. And to those who are truly passionate about making this country better, I say thank you. I'll say this - the eastern side of this state has a lot more men and women like that than we do here in Western PA. But I'm going off on tangents. The point is, these politicians are in it for personal gain. Almost to a man. So to say that the government is any less selfish or profit driven than private sector business is just uninformed, ignorant and flat out wrong.

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    That's more personal than I try to be on this forum, but this idea that the government isn't out for personal gain is a way of thinking that needs to be squashed in this country. The government is a business. Politicians seek to make the most of capitalism maybe even moreso than business men sometimes. If you really think most of these guys are living off of their government salary alone, you need to re-examine the naivety that resides inside of you. I felt compelled to share this because it isn't fiction, it's happening in real life. And not just in D.C.
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    Politicians aren't out to make a profit? Interesting. I guess they're all just in it for the good of their constituents, huh? I can tell you... first hand... that politicians from at least the state level on up, and I would assume on down, are nearly all driven by two things. Money and power. I can tell you... first hand... that unless an issue/bill on the agenda doesn't directly affect a politician's personal life... the vast majority will show up late to the floor... or not at all. And when they do show up, they talk amongst themselves paying very, very little attention to the matter at hand. The most excited I've ever seen this state's senate become was when a debate erupted that begged the question which quarterback is better? Donovan McNabb or Ben Roethlisberger. Not even joking. That is by far the most lively and passionate I have seen anyone in our state government get. During a goddamn sports topic. I saw one senator get worked up once over education reform and that is because his children were homeschooled. And I saw another get excited once over workplace - specifically mining - safety regulations. He was from a coal family. I have personally witnessed more house and senate gatherings in Harrisburg than I can count. And those three examples are the only times I ever recall genuine passion occuring on that floor. Disucssions between representatives about personal side interests and business ventures generally dominate the conversation. They all sleep walk through almost everything constituents care about. Again, these are things I have witnessed with my own eyes and ears. Not once, but daily, on more occasions than I could count. It would be enough to make most citizens lose faith in our political process. There are few good men in government - Democrats and Republicans. And to those who are truly passionate about making this country better, I say thank you. I'll say this - the eastern side of this state has a lot more men and women like that than we do here in Western PA. But I'm going off on tangents. The point is, these politicians are in it for personal gain. Almost to a man. So to say that the government is any less selfish or profit driven than private sector business is just uninformed, ignorant and flat out wrong.

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    That's more personal than I try to be on this forum, but this idea that the government isn't out for personal gain is a way of thinking that needs to be squashed in this country. The government is a business. Politicians seek to make the most of capitalism maybe even moreso than business men sometimes. If you really think most of these guys are living off of their government salary alone, you need to re-examine the naivety that resides inside of you. I felt compelled to share this because it isn't fiction, it's happening in real life. And not just in D.C.
    Whoa there, he said our society certainly wasn't capitalism and I said businesses goal is production for profit, which is capitalism. There was no argument about who wants more money , of course politicians want to make money, that's why big business runs this country. Nothing you just said pertains to anything I wrote or anything I think, first government as a whole is not interested in personal gain, mainly because it is not one person. The problem is you have individuals in government who are only interested in personal gain, which allows big business to come in with there hands out and lobby these guys, that's why nothing ever gets done in government. Im not sure where you get the idea that I think people in government aren't out for personal gain, because I think that's all their out for. So if your going to call me ignorant for saying "that government is less selfish and not profit driven" at least make sure I said it or that was even what I was talking about.

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    Another thread derailed. ffs


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    Quote Originally Posted by 43Hitman View Post
    Another thread derailed. ffs
    Ugh. Sorry, I contributed to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven View Post
    Ugh. Sorry, I contributed to it.
    You're not the issue here, it's the same poster in just about every thread.


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    I ended up falling for it too.
    No worries; we'll just hop back on track and pick up where we left off.

    I do believe that armed rebellion has its place in the list of options to restore freedom when the government becomes too overbearing, but it's the last resort rather than the first. In our case, I don't think it's advisable or even likely; our federal government will collapse under it's own weight soon enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoSlash27 View Post
    I ended up falling for it too.
    No worries; we'll just hop back on track and pick up where we left off.

    I do believe that armed rebellion has its place in the list of options to restore freedom when the government becomes too overbearing, but it's the last resort rather than the first. In our case, I don't think it's advisable or even likely; our federal government will collapse under it's own weight soon enough.
    I agree, however I'm not real keen on the idea of letting them screw up this country so bad that we'll have to repair it as if it just went through a revolution.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 43Hitman View Post
    I agree, however I'm not real keen on the idea of letting them screw up this country so bad that we'll have to repair it as if it just went through a revolution.
    I'm not real keen on it either, but I don't see where we have a choice in the matter. I mean... even if we did somehow manage to put fiscal hawks (actual ones) in charge of everything, it's still too late to fix it.
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    when this all goes down I have my cave all picked out ...

    you laugh but it is true .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    when this all goes down I have my cave all picked out ...

    you laugh but it is true .....

    200 pounds of dry rice clothes blankets rain gear garden seeds and 8,000 acres of wild game at my disposal ... average yearly " indoor" Temp of about 62-67 degrees ....
    Good. There very few of us who have a location ready. If anything violent on this type of scale ever happens, the woods are going to become overrun with people who have no clue what they are doing in them. Having a headstart on skills, knowledge and locations will prove invaluable. I do wish there was more woodlands available around here though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoSlash27 View Post
    I'm not real keen on it either, but I don't see where we have a choice in the matter. I mean... even if we did somehow manage to put fiscal hawks (actual ones) in charge of everything, it's still too late to fix it.
    No choice?

    How ignorantly simplistic can someone be?

    *You* reelected Obama....so if this country is beyond repair in 2016 I will look right at *you* and *your* ilk.
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    No choice?

    How ignorantly simplistic can someone be?

    *You* reelected Obama....so if this country is beyond repair in 2016 I will look right at *you* and *your* ilk.

    There's 2 types of people on this forum: those who can discuss politics dispassionately and rationally... and you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoSlash27 View Post
    There's 2 types of people on this forum: those who can discuss politics dispassionately and rationally... and you.
    /Thank God it's Obama doing this and not the liberal *you* wanted...
    I still have yet to see any proof from you that Romney's budget plan resembled Obama's spending in any manner despite months of asking you to support your conviction. Actually, forget proof, I haven't seen anything even suggesting that's true. The only legitimate gripe you've pointed out that I've seen - and it was months after the election - was that you didn't like his plan to increase military spending. I think Romney's largely a goon. I mean, he believes in Mormonism. No offense to anyone intended, but if you're a practicing Mormon - I think you're kind of nuts. But regardless of his flaws, there aren't many better business men in this country than he. And I see no reason to believe that track record wouldn't have continued in the White House. And until you're able to give us something substantial, which you haven't even come close to doing yet, suggesting that he is "no different than Obama" or that he is a "liberal"... please keep those comments to yourself. There are already enough unsubstantiated "facts" that get thrown around The Soapbox without you adding to them. That's all I have to say.

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    I agree, however I'm not real keen on the idea of letting them screw up this country so bad that we'll have to repair it as if it just went through a revolution.
    It seems to me as if the world is reverting back to socialist ideals as a whole. Mother Russia would be proud of the way our country is headed. Sometimes I wonder if we've all but forgotten why wars of the past were fought. Hopefully we don't see another civil war, but issues are becoming more and more polarized. What's worse, letting a country ruin itself or causing death by trying to prevent that from happening? I'm not sure. Either way, we aren't there yet.
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    Seven,
    I am only saying this because I care - there are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market today that are just as tasty as the real thing.
    /can we please get back on topic now?
    "You've heard people brag about 'being in the zone'. They don't know what the Hell being in the zone is about. I played in the NFL for 15 years and I was only in the zone that one time." - "Mean" Joe Greene on the 1974 playoff victory over Oakland

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