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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    same can be said for a president that back doors legislation that FAILS to get approval via normal channels such as passing the house and Senate , he does not get his way he throws a temper tantrum and uses executive orders to do what our representation votes against , the representatives that we elect to be our voice mind you ....

    but I suspect that is all fine and dandy by you ( I have grown used to that from you and will be on my way after this post )
    Dwins are you serious do you have any idea how often exectutive orders are used? George bush 291 exectutive orders, bill clinton 363 exectutive orders, ronald reagan 380 executive orders, FDR 3728 executive orders, this idea that a president is doing something unheard of by signing an executive order is absurd. So this angry mob of people takes over the country and then what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by steeldawg View Post
    Dwins are you serious do you have any idea how often exectutive orders are used? George bush 291 exectutive orders, bill clinton 363 exectutive orders, ronald reagan 380 executive orders, FDR 3728 executive orders, this idea that a president is doing something unheard of by signing an executive order is absurd. So this angry mob of people takes over the country and then what?

    we revert to the constitution as it was intended and not Odummys interpretation and vision for the United Socialist states of America

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    If you really want to see the left take this country over to the point of no return all it will take is some moronic right wing self fashioned militia to take up arms against the government. It will be short ugly and will turn every moderate into a pro government "patriot".

    I don't know what the answer is as far as getting this country on more correct path. But taking up arms against it is not the answer.

    I find this thread troublesome. Really really troublseome that anyone would take this sort of nonsensical path serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zulater View Post
    If you really want to see the left take this country over to the point of no return all it will take is some moronic right wing self fashioned militia to take up arms against the government. It will be short ugly and will turn every moderate into a pro government "patriot".

    I don't know what the answer is as far as getting this country on more correct path. But taking up arms against it is not the answer.

    I find this thread troublesome. Really really troublseome that anyone would take this sort of nonsensical path serious.
    I could be wrong, but I think most people here aren't advocating this path, but rather, are speculating what it would look like.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Preacher View Post
    I could be wrong, but I think most people here aren't advocating this path, but rather, are speculating what it would look like.
    I hope so.

    But I don't even speculate that far. If we ever get to that point we're all so fucked it probably just wont matter anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    we revert to the constitution as it was intended and not Odummys interpretation and vision for the United Socialist states of America
    Oh obama has rewritten the constitution, really i must of missed that? What does reverting to the constitution mean, you do realize the constitution was written with the idea that it would be amended? The first three articles of the constituiton establish the 3 branches of government, which you would of just destroyed by violently taking over the country, so much for that part of the constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zulater View Post
    If you really want to see the left take this country over to the point of no return all it will take is some moronic right wing self fashioned militia to take up arms against the government. It will be short ugly and will turn every moderate into a pro government "patriot".

    I don't know what the answer is as far as getting this country on more correct path. But taking up arms against it is not the answer.

    I find this thread troublesome. Really really troublseome that anyone would take this sort of nonsensical path serious.
    Good post Zu. In an advanced society, the pen is mightier than the sword. And a lot less troublesome and messy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preacher View Post
    I could be wrong, but I think most people here aren't advocating this path, but rather, are speculating what it would look like.
    No not advocating. But the path this country is headed down it will destroy it's self regardless.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zulater View Post
    If you really want to see the left take this country over to the point of no return all it will take is some moronic right wing self fashioned militia to take up arms against the government. It will be short ugly and will turn every moderate into a pro government "patriot".

    I don't know what the answer is as far as getting this country on more correct path. But taking up arms against it is not the answer.

    I find this thread troublesome. Really really troublseome that anyone would take this sort of nonsensical path serious.
    We need the emergence of a third party, we need term limits on these fools in congress, and we need some damn accurate and unbiased information sources so people can cast votes on what they really believe is best for them. We certainly do not need an armed revolution led by Dwins.

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    We need the emergence of a third party,
    Won't happen. Not I necessarily disagree with you here, but the way power sharing happens in congress, this just is not going to happen. If we ever elect a third-party president, he's going to get lambasted by both sides in government, and every time he sides with the GOP, the mainstream/cable press is going to paint him as conservative that lied to get elected as a independent/third party. Every time he sides with the Dems, Fox news, the conservative commentators, and host of others are going to paint him as just a different brand of liberal. The only time I see this working, is if one party implodes and rebuilds out of itself, like the Whigs did, creating the GOP.

    we need term limits on these fools in congress,
    I've never been for term limits, as I believe it is a limitation on my freedom of speech and right of representation. If I don't like the guy, I'll vote against him, If I like her, I'll vote for her. I don't need limits to tell me not to voter for her or him anymore.

    and we need some damn accurate and unbiased information sources so people can cast votes on what they really believe is best for them.
    Will not happen when the press is in the bag for one party, and the remainder of the outlets that get information out are primarily reactive against that press. The national metanarrative has been dismantled and now, there is no guiding principle by which to report information. What you may think is unimportant, I may think is vitally important now. What you think is unbiased, I may see complete bias in, and vice-versa. We're long past this possibility ever happening again, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steeldawg View Post
    In those cases we were invading another country and with the exception of vietnam i wouldnt say our military was defeated.
    They failed to stop the overthrow of the existing government in every case and failed to quell the uprising. That is "failure".

    But if someone ,anyone, tried to overthrow our government you better believe our military would unleash hell on them, not to mention your talking about an armed mob who would have to attack government facilities and heavily armed military bases. Not to mention I dont think most people in this country would take to kindly to any group trying to overthrow our system of democracy.
    I don't think so. These things are about hearts and minds, not military might. The government couldn't "unleash Hell" without destroying themselves in the process.
    And as for "most people", they don't want to get involved one way or another. Those that would actively support the government? What few there are don't know how to fight. They're the ones who are afraid of guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoSlash27 View Post
    They failed to stop the overthrow of the existing government in every case and failed to quell the uprising. That is "failure".


    I don't think so. These things are about hearts and minds, not military might. The government couldn't "unleash Hell" without destroying themselves in the process.
    And as for "most people", they don't want to get involved one way or another. Those that would actively support the government? What few there are don't know how to fight. They're the ones who are afraid of guns.

    Ya but in most cases we were not using full military force, And i think your wrong its not a matter of supporting government, its do i want some group of blood thirsty morons ruling our country, I think most people would fight against a revolution to overthrow our government and our democractic system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steeldawg View Post
    Ya but in most cases we were not using full military force, And i think your wrong its not a matter of supporting government, its do i want some group of blood thirsty morons ruling our country, I think most people would fight against a revolution to overthrow our government and our democractic system.
    We (and by "we" I mean the Federal government) couldn't use full military force in this hypothetical situation either. In fact, they would be more constrained than any of their other failures. And if you think "most people" would fight for either side, you are sadly mistaken. "Most people" just plain wouldn't fight at all. Those who would willingly fight for the government wouldn't know how to fight.

    And yeah... I haven't seen anyone here advocate such a course of action.
    / "bloodthirsty morons" is as good a description of our current government as any...
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    Quote Originally Posted by steeldawg View Post
    And i think your wrong its not a matter of supporting government, its do i want some group of blood thirsty morons ruling our country.
    Speaking of morons I would imagine this is the same way the British characterized those who founded this country.

    The irony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steeldawg View Post
    Ya but in most cases we were not using full military force, And i think your wrong its not a matter of supporting government, its do i want some group of blood thirsty morons ruling our country, I think most people would fight against a revolution to overthrow our government and our democractic system.
    Who's to say's they want to overthrow a democratic government, maybe they want to restore it and fully reinstate the Constitution.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach1 View Post
    Who's to say's they want to overthrow a democratic government, maybe they want to restore it and fully reinstate the Constitution.
    The fact they would be overthrowing a democratic government, and was does fully reinstate the constitution mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GBMelBlount View Post
    Speaking of morons I would imagine this is the same way the British characterized those who founded this country.

    The irony.
    Maybe but they were looking to seperate from britian not take it over

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    Quote Originally Posted by zulater View Post
    I hope so.

    But I don't even speculate that far. If we ever get to that point we're all so fucked it probably just wont matter anymore.
    So you'd just curl in a ball and die huh?


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    So you'd just curl in a ball and die huh?

    No, but it probably wouldn't be a bad idea.

    I'm not into living in a Mad Max type world. But I don't even think that's one of the likely possibilitues if an armed revolt came about. As has been pointed out before if you think this country could have a violent civil war without china and or Russia taking advantage of the aftermath for their own gain then you're barking mad.

    Your most likely end game scenario's in a civil war would be you either embolden Obama and his ilk to virtual invincibility or you open the door for our new Chinese overlords.

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    Be patient fellow Canadians. Our plan is coming to fruition! Long live socialism!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zulater View Post
    No, but it probably wouldn't be a bad idea.

    I'm not into living in a Mad Max type world. But I don't even think that's one of the likely possibilitues if an armed revolt came about. As has been pointed out before if you think this country could have a violent civil war without china and or Russia taking advantage of the aftermath for their own gain then you're barking mad.

    Your most likely end game scenario's in a civil war would be you either embolden Obama and his ilk to virtual invincibility or you open the door for our new Chinese overlords.

    No thanks to either for me.
    exactly, you would defeat our military divide the country it wouldnt be long be for another superpower seized the opportunity in taking us over. You are also spot on about a mad max type world people would go crazy, do they really think that people would continue to go to work and just go on with their lives as usual while an angry mob overthrows the government? No Depsite becoming a war zone the nation would shut down, meaning we would end up fighting eachother for resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preacher View Post
    I could be wrong, but I think most people here aren't advocating this path, but rather, are speculating what it would look like.
    That's certainly accurate as far as I can tell. I don't think anyone here is advocating this at all at this point. But I thought it would cause for interesting discussion and posted it as such. I was right... for a while at least...
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    Quote Originally Posted by steeldawg View Post
    exactly, you would defeat our military divide the country it wouldnt be long be for another superpower seized the opportunity in taking us over. You are also spot on about a mad max type world people would go crazy, do they really think that people would continue to go to work and just go on with their lives as usual while an angry mob overthrows the government? No Depsite becoming a war zone the nation would shut down, meaning we would end up fighting eachother for resources.
    I'm right about a lot of things. About time you actually acknowledge it for a change.

    Seriously, if there's a lengthy civil war, infrastructure is going to be damaged, commerce will ground to a halt, there wont be jobs, money wont matter, food will be sparse, trasportation will cease to exist. Yeah like I really want to sign on to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zulater View Post
    if there's a lengthy civil war, infrastructure is going to be damaged, commerce will ground to a halt, there wont be jobs, money wont matter, food will be sparse,
    So what you're saying is that for the most part, there wouldn't be any noticeable difference.

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...d84_print.html

    Fate is fickle, power cyclical, and nothing is new under the sun. Especially in Washington, where after every election the losing party is sagely instructed to confess sin, rend garments and rethink its principles lest it go the way of the Whigs. And where the victor is hailed as the new Caesar, facing an open road to domination.

    And where Barack Obama, already naturally inclined to believe his own loftiness, graciously accepted the kingly crown and proceeded to ride his reelection success to a crushing victory over the GOP at the fiscal cliff, leaving a humiliated John Boehner & Co. with nothing but naked tax hikes.

    Thus emboldened, Obama turned his inaugural and State of the Union addresses into a left-wing dream factory, from his declaration of war on global warming (on a planet where temperatures are the same as 16 years ago and in a country whose CO2 emissions are at a 20-year low) to the invention of new entitlements — e.g., universal preschool for 5-year-olds— for a country already drowning in debt.

    To realize his dreams, Obama sought to fracture and neutralize the congressional GOP as a prelude to reclaiming the House in 2014. This would enable him to fully enact his agenda in the final two years of his presidency, usually a time of lame-duck paralysis. Hail the Obama juggernaut.

    Well, that story — excuse me, narrative — lasted exactly six months. The Big Mo is gone.

    It began with the sequester. Obama never believed the Republicans would call his bluff and let it go into effect. They did.

    Taken by surprise, Obama cried wolf, predicting the end of everything we hold dear if the sequester was not stopped. It wasn’t. Nothing happened.

    Highly embarrassed, and determined to indeed make (bad) things happen, the White House refused Republican offers to give it more discretion in making cuts. Bureaucrats were instructed to inflict maximum pain from minimal cuts, as revealed by one memo from the Agriculture Department demanding agency cuts that the public would feel.

    Things began with the near-comical cancellation of White House tours and ended with not-so-comical airline delays. Obama thought furious passengers would blame the GOP. But isn’t the executive branch in charge of these agencies? Who thinks that a government spending $3.6 trillion a year can’t cut 2 percent without furloughing air-traffic controllers?

    Looking not just incompetent at managing budgets but cynical for deliberately injuring the public welfare, the administration relented. Congress quickly passed a bill giving Obama reallocation authority to restore air traffic control. Having previously threatened to veto any such bill, Obama caved. He signed.

    Not exactly Appomattox, but coming immediately after Obama’s spectacular defeat on gun control, it marked an administration that had lost its “juice,” to paraphrase a charming question at the president’s Tuesday news conference.

    For Obama, gun control was a political disaster. He invested capital. He went on a multi-city tour. He paraded grieving relatives. And got nothing. An assault-weapons ban — a similar measure had passed the Congress 20 years ago — lost 60 to 40in a Senate where Democrats control 55 seats. Obama failed even to get mere background checks.

    All this while appearing passive, if not helpless, on the world stage. On Syria, Obama is nervously trying to erase the WMD red line he had so publicly established. On Benghazi, he stonewalled accusations that State Department officials wishing to testify are being blocked.

    He is even taking heat for the Boston bombings. Every day brings another revelation of signals missed beforehand. And his post-bombing pledge to hunt down those responsible was mocked by the scandalous Mirandizing of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, gratuitously shutting down information from the one person who knows more than anyone about possible still-existent explosives, associates, trainers, future plans, etc.

    Now, the screw will undoubtedly turn again. If immigration reform passes, Obama will be hailed as the comeback kid, and a new “Obama rising” narrative proclaimed.

    This will overlook the fact that immigration reform has little to do with Obama and everything to do with GOP panic about the Hispanic vote. In fact, Obama has been asked by congressional negotiators to stay away, so polarizing a figure has he become.

    Nonetheless, whatever happens, the screw will surely turn again, if only because of media boredom. But that’s the one constant of Washington political life: There are no straight-line graphs. We live from inflection point to inflection point.

    And we’ve just experienced one. From king of the world to dead in the water in six months. Quite a ride.


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    Zu -

    That's just proof of that fact that presidents almost NEVER had a better second term than first term. Bush's second term was plagued with problems. Clintons ended up in impeachment (though not removal from office), Regan's ended up in the Iran-Contra scandal amongst other things, Nixon's . . . well, there's no reason to even say anything here; LBJ was crushed by the Vietnam war (though his first term wasn't a full one, it still fits), I think Ike was the last one that had a decent first and second term.

    As far as this thread goes, the rock-bottom issues extend far beyond liberal/conservative. Reagan governed over the 1986 fiasco infringing on the constitutional right to bear arms. Both Bush and Obama used HSA to push the boundaries of government infringement of our rights. This issue isn't going away soon.


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    Preach

    It's one thing to be disgruntled with the current POTUS job performance. It's quite another to suggest the answer may lie in an armed revolution of some sort. I don't remember such things being discussed in the second terms of any of our former President's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zulater View Post
    Preach

    It's one thing to be disgruntled with the current POTUS job performance. It's quite another to suggest the answer may lie in an armed revolution of some sort. I don't remember such things being discussed in the second terms of any of our former President's.
    Its the same group of people who believe everything was just fine until Obama got into office, when the truth of the matter is the state of our country is a product of decades of bad decisions.

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