The new GOP ?
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The Republican Party has embarked on an effort to re-brand itself to a more diverse set of voters, but one GOP congressman apparently did not get the memo.
LINK: http://news.yahoo.com/republican-con...-politics.html
The new GOP ?
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The Republican Party has embarked on an effort to re-brand itself to a more diverse set of voters, but one GOP congressman apparently did not get the memo.
LINK: http://news.yahoo.com/republican-con...-politics.html
Time to review some of the verbal gems from prominent members of the "Party of Tolerance and Inclusion"...
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31302.html–In lobbying the late Sen. Ted Kennedy to endorse his wife, former President Bill Clinton angered the liberal icon by belittling Obama. Telling a friend about the conversation, Kennedy recalled Clinton had said “a few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee....”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...102402716.htmlBiden also stumbled through a discourse on race and education, leaving the impression that he believes one reason that so many District of Columbia schools fail is the city's high minority population. His campaign quickly issued a statement saying he meant to indicate that the disadvantages were based on economic status, not race.
After a lengthy critique of Bush administration education policies, Biden attempted to explain why some schools perform better than others -- in Iowa, for instance, compared with the District. "There's less than 1 percent of the population of Iowa that is African American. There is probably less than 4 or 5 percent that are minorities. What is in Washington? So look, it goes back to what you start off with, what you're dealing with,"
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/31/biden.obama/In the article published Wednesday, Biden is quoted evaluating presidential rivals Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, former Sen. John Edwards, D-North Carolina, and Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois. His remarks about Obama, the only African-American serving in the Senate, drew the most scrutiny.
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/13757367/"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking."
And this isn't even including the "gonna put y'all back in chains" quote...
But by all means, please continue the "Only Republicans are racists!" meme (I know the media will)...
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Originally Posted by fansince'76
You forgot:
I loathe the military
- Bill Clinton
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If you're on the left it's expected of you to loathe the military. Of course you're not supposed to say it out loud.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
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Back to the OP, what about Harry Reid, who determined that Obama would beat McCain because "he's light skinned" and didn't speak with a "negro dialect".
And also I just read the link from the original post. It was a 79 year old man for Christ sakes! You'd be hard pressed to find a person from that generation of any race that doesn't come with some hard wired racism still in tow.
It was the norm back in the day. Not saying it was right, because obviously it wasn't. But that's just how people were and how they spoke. And when you get to that age sometimes the old stuff bubbles back to the surface, even if you've for the most part moved past it.
Just ask Jesse "Hymie Town" Jackson if you don't believe me.
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"A man's got to know his limitations."
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You should hear some of the things politicians say behind closed doors.
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looking forward to the revisionist history lesson.
The Democrat Party's Long and Shameful History of Bigotry and Racism
http://gopcapitalist.tripod.com/democratrecord.html
Give a lib a fish--he eats for a day
Teach a lib to fish--he is back the next day asking for more free fish.
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awfully quite from the left side of the board since the rebuttals. just sayin'
What rebuttal, you have racist people all over but the gop right now doesnt need their congressman spouting off stupid comments, in light of their efforts to appeal to minorities. I dont really even see a debate, guy made a dumb comment it happens posting other peoples dumb comments do not justify it.
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What's dumb is tarring an entire party over an old dude's slip of the tongue.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
I agree but its still a problem for the GOP, If your looking to win over minorities who you are currently not in favor with it doesnt really help. If your already in favor with minorities and someone makes a dumb comment its easily over looked.
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That's why if you're a Republican you point out that some prominent Democrats have misspoken too. Hoping that reasonable and fair minded people will see that stupid speak isn't either parties exclusive domain.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
No i get it, but the poster was looking for a rebuttle to the comments by the democrats which i was saying basically what you just said. I think the point of steel emp's article is to say hey if your serious about winning over minorities and changing the perception you need to get rid of some of these old cooks.
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Don Young is the embodiment of everything that's wrong with Congress. Crooked porker who stays in office for decades.
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That's up to the Alasakan voters and the local Republican Party. But yeah I would agree that his time to go is now.
Of course I would have thought the same thing of Harry Reid too.
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Wont disagree there and there's some on both sides of the aisle of that same desciption that you can take along with him.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
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The Republican party isn't going to win over minorities. They can't compete with the tactics of Democrats in that area due to fundamental philosophical differences. By the numbers, being tough on entitlements and illegal immigration is never going to appeal to large portions of black and Latino communities. That's not racist, it's just the truth. Idealistic college kids, minorities and those receiving entitlements are the backbone of Democratic voters. The Republican audience has simply been outproduced and overrun. It's why the sentiment on this forum right now is generally "this country is toast". Because the liberals have a stranglehold on the general population essentially giving the party a monopoly which could very well be a direct conduit to the downfall of this nation.
You know me; I don't play partisan games. This dude is an asshat. But I limit my criticism to him as an individual. As for the rest of the "inside politics" gloating, spare me the fake outrage. There isn't one latino alive on this planet who's thinking "I know it's just him, but this reflects poorly on the Republicans as a whole, etc. yada yada".
That's the reasoning of airhead media pundits.
"You've heard people brag about 'being in the zone'. They don't know what the Hell being in the zone is about. I played in the NFL for 15 years and I was only in the zone that one time." - "Mean" Joe Greene on the 1974 playoff victory over Oakland
The Republicans will certainly never win over minorities so long as they continue to look at them as "minorities" instead of Americans.
"You've heard people brag about 'being in the zone'. They don't know what the Hell being in the zone is about. I played in the NFL for 15 years and I was only in the zone that one time." - "Mean" Joe Greene on the 1974 playoff victory over Oakland
I'm not justifying anything. As GoSlash said, Don Young is an asshat. What I'm pointing out is the hypocrisy of the media when these sorts of statements come from the other side of the aisle - they generally get glossed over if someone with a (D) after their name makes them. That's all. On the other hand, I feel pretty safe in assuming that this is going to be BEATEN TO DEATH for weeks by the media.
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Looking at them as "Americans" isn't going to do anything. They are minorities. There's nothing negative about that term, it means exactly what it says - they are sects of US citizens (well, except for the hop-the-border illegals who are mind numbingly still able to get into polling stations and vote, I guess) who often differ from the majority (whites) in culture/values based on their own unique beliefs and backgrounds. Why on earth would clumping them in with everyone else be a good thing? You have to realize that a white male making $35,000 a year who has lived in Cleveland all of his life and a Latino woman making $8,000 annually with family still in Mexico are naturally going to have different outlooks and values on what they look for in politicians. So how exactly does disregarding those differences and simply saying "ah hell, they're all Americans! We're all the same!" work towards the advantage of the Republican party? I understand where you are trying to go in principle, I think, but you seem to be suggesting that minorities don't get the same fair crack as the majority under Republican policies which I can't agree with whatsoever.
Right now, they don't, but that's not to say that they do from the Dems. If anything, the Democrats do more to impede the progress of minorities than Republicans do.
What I'm saying is that Republicans will never win a battle based on racial division and animosity. The Democrats have that market cornered. What they *can* do is promote a philosophy and message that appeals to a broad majority that transcends color lines.
"You've heard people brag about 'being in the zone'. They don't know what the Hell being in the zone is about. I played in the NFL for 15 years and I was only in the zone that one time." - "Mean" Joe Greene on the 1974 playoff victory over Oakland
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I agree with everything highlighted full heartedly and think I've expressed most of that myself in some post or another in this thread at some point, but can you tell me how minorities don't get the same shot at making a life for themselves in this country as I (a white male) do? Legal minorities, of course. I don't see where Republican policy is discriminatory towards minorities. If you are talking about racism amongst private citizens to some extent or Republican voters, I can buy it to a degree, but what in Republican policy limits what an Asian or Latino can do compared to what I can do in this country?
Well... "Republican" policies often mirror "Democrat" policies , so in many cases the regressive policies can't be fairly labeled as belonging to just one side. But in many cases, the Republicans have fostered racial divisions by painting themselves as the champions of the (white) majority.
Not that the policies themselves make for an uneven playing field, but just that the arguments are geared that way.
If you're going to play the racial division game, then the winning strategy right now is still to play to the majority. There's more white folks and they vote more regularly.
What I'm saying is that the Republicans should simply reject playing that game completely.
"You've heard people brag about 'being in the zone'. They don't know what the Hell being in the zone is about. I played in the NFL for 15 years and I was only in the zone that one time." - "Mean" Joe Greene on the 1974 playoff victory over Oakland
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So I guess what you're saying is because the Republican party is perceived to represent whites, or their message consists of largely white values, that puts a stigma towards minorities in the minds of conservative voters which lends itself to racism? I don't know... aren't we beyond that now? I think there is always going to be racial profiling, but racism on a large scale? Maybe it's the generation of folks I spend time around but I just don't see it. Once these baby boomers go the way of the dinosaurs I really think we're going to be well on our way to seeing racism expunged (of course there will always be exceptions). I remain thoroughly unconvinced that a black man has less of a chance in this country to make something of himself than I do simply because he is black.
No, that's not quite what I'm saying. Both of those things are true, but the problem is that the Republican Party plays into it by taking essentially the same approach as the Dems: Divide the country into voting blocs by race, income, age, etc. and try to capitalize on their group identity instead of just presenting a message and platform that's universally appealing.
"You've heard people brag about 'being in the zone'. They don't know what the Hell being in the zone is about. I played in the NFL for 15 years and I was only in the zone that one time." - "Mean" Joe Greene on the 1974 playoff victory over Oakland
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that's nice in theory, but there is no such thing as a message that is universally appealing. When it comes to politics, "universally appealing" is an oxymoron. I understand what you're saying, but I don't think it's realistic. Choosing to focus on candyland ideals instead of playing the numbers would be electoral suicide. I just don't see what message you could create that appeals to everyone. But you're welcome to try and formulate one that will convince me otherwise.
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Problem is that dividing the country on social issues guarantees victory for the D's. The demographics are in the Jackasses' favor and will be even more that way in 20 years. The R's need to become the party of small government across the board and hope there are enough people who care about personal and economic freedom. Let the D's be the party of corporate welfare and intrusive government.
^ pretty much this. "Playing the numbers" is electoral suicide when the numbers are clearly trending out of your favor. I agree with Godfather, and would add that the Republicans should call out the Dems every time they play race politics.
"You've heard people brag about 'being in the zone'. They don't know what the Hell being in the zone is about. I played in the NFL for 15 years and I was only in the zone that one time." - "Mean" Joe Greene on the 1974 playoff victory over Oakland
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Yes. Absolutely. The closest thing we are going to see to a "universal message" right now as far as I can tell is Libertarianism but the Democrats and Republicans have far too many sheep behind them for a real migration of support to take place, at the moment anyway. The best thing the Republican party could do would be to back off their religious stances.
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Anytime Libertarianism starts to take hold in this country Repubs and Dems both go into attack mode. Those two parties will never allow the Libertarians to take hold of this government, cause if they do the people will never give it back to them.
I also agree with your last sentence whole-hardheartedly. I have no problem with religion and am a believer in Christ, but the religious right does seem to have too much say in the what direction the party goes.
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