Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 31 to 49 of 49

Thread: The gallows have been set up outside Heinz field... and the name on them is Colbert.

  1. #31
    Administrator Array title="fansince'76 has a reputation beyond repute"> fansince'76's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Denver, CO
    Gender
    Posts
    24,285

    Re: The gallows have been set up outside Heinz field... and the name on them is Colbe

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    I could be wrong, but I believe NE has had a better past 20 than us.
    HIGHLY debatable, IMO. Since 1992:

    Steelers: 214 wins, 121 losses, 1 tie, 14 postseason appearances.

    Patriots: 210 wins, 126 losses, 15 postseason appearances.

    Yeah, the Patriots have won one more SB in that time, but they also lost one more SB in that time too. The Steelers last won a Super Bowl 4 years ago. The Patriots haven't won one in 8. And they won their 3 under HIGHLY dubious circumstances that Goodell conveniently swept under the rug. Not to mention the Steelers have shared the AFC North with a fierce rival in the Ravens, while the Jets, Bills and Dolphins have spent the last decade+ being the Patriots' punching bag for the most part.

    But since ESPN sucks them off 24/7 and makes them out to be the greatest fucking thing since sliced bread, people seem to think the Patriots tower over everyone else in the league. 'Tain't so.

  2. #32
    Dwinsgames
    Guest

    Re: The gallows have been set up outside Heinz field... and the name on them is Colbe

    Quote Originally Posted by fansince'76 View Post
    'Taint.
    that single word sums it all up IMO

  3. #33
    Senior Member Array title="Shoes has a reputation beyond repute"> Shoes's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2010
    Gender
    Posts
    11,739

    Re: The gallows have been set up outside Heinz field... and the name on them is Colbe

    Quote Originally Posted by X-Terminator View Post
    Yes, they are the only ones in that conversation, with 5 Super Bowl appearances and 3 wins in that time frame, compared to the Steelers 4 and 2. But considering I hate all of Boston/New England and wish it would sink below the Atlantic Ocean, they don't count. At any rate, nobody says one word about Tomlin or Colbert if they made the playoffs last season, and let's face it - the success they've had has earned them plenty of rope. No different than any other successful coach/GM in any other sport. You may not like it, but that's the way it goes.

    Well, you only ask for one I think the cheats were in 6 SB the last 20 and are 3-3, but I may be wrong. Hopefully Tomlin & Colbert can keep from shortening the rope this season. By the way XT....I gave up chewing my finger nails long ago.

  4. #34
    Senior Member Array title="Shoes has a reputation beyond repute"> Shoes's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2010
    Gender
    Posts
    11,739

    Re: The gallows have been set up outside Heinz field... and the name on them is Colbe

    Quote Originally Posted by fansince'76 View Post
    HIGHLY debatable, IMO. Since 1992:

    Steelers: 214 wins, 121 losses, 1 tie, 14 postseason appearances.

    Patriots: 210 wins, 126 losses, 15 postseason appearances.

    Yeah, the Patriots have won one more SB in that time, but they also lost one more SB in that time too. The Steelers last won a Super Bowl 4 years ago. The Patriots haven't won one in 8. And they won their 3 under HIGHLY dubious circumstances that Goodell conveniently swept under the rug. Not to mention the Steelers have shared the AFC North with a fierce rival in the Ravens, while the Jets, Bills and Dolphins have spent the last decade+ being the Patriots' punching bag for the most part.

    But since ESPN sucks them off 24/7 and makes them out to be the greatest fucking thing since sliced bread, people seem to think the Patriots tower over everyone else in the league. 'Tain't so.
    Surely you don't think I'm going defend the cheats?

  5. #35
    Banned Array title="Spike is just really nice">

    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    1,652

    Re: The gallows have been set up outside Heinz field... and the name on them is Colbe

    Free Agency losers

    “Winning” and “losing” free agency is a nebulous concept.

    Most of the best-run organizations in football are famous for turning off their TVs and heading to the beach once March rolls around. Green Bay, Pittsburgh and Baltimore are more celebrated for the moves they don’t make than any other team is for the moves they do make.

    4. Steelers/Ravens

    Ravens’ Notable Additions: DT Chris Canty and DE Marcus Spears.

    Ravens’ Notable Subtractions: WR Anquan Boldin, FS Ed Reed, SS Bernard Pollard, LB Paul Kruger, LB Dannell Ellerbe and CB Cary Williams.

    Steelers’ Notable Additions: QB Bruce Gradkowski and TE Matt Spaeth.

    Steelers’ Notable Subtractions: WR Mike Wallace, LB James Harrison, RB Rashard Mendenhall, CB Keenan Lewis, S Ryan Mundy and OG Willie Colon.


    It’s already been mentioned once in this article: These two AFC North blood rivals are more famous for standing pat than standing tall in free agency.

    But their sheer loss of talent this offseason is too hard to ignore. The Ravens have lost five defensive starters in 10 days. That’s hard to do, especially when they’re the same five who just won a Super Bowl ring.

    Pittsburgh, meanwhile, has lost its top pass rusher and its top playmaker on offense. It’s true that Harrison is aging and Wallace is perhaps not all he’s cracked up to be, but that’s not how you rise up from only your first .500 season since 2006.

    Both teams have odious cap situations to blame, and Pittsburgh has only compounded the problem by restructuring even more salary into their future caps. These are two teams who know what they’re doing, but never will their hard-earned reputations be more tested than they will be this offseason.

    http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nf...-agency-losers

  6. #36
    Steelers fan, circa 1985 Array title="BigNastyDefense is a name known to all"> BigNastyDefense's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Clowns Town, Ohio
    Gender
    Posts
    2,653

    Re: The gallows have been set up outside Heinz field... and the name on them is Colbe

    Here is the way I look at it:

    Cowher had a lot of say in players that were drafted and signed in free agency. He earned that right with the success he had in his coaching career. Colbert however has had major say in all of those transactions also. I would assume that he had "final say" (outside of Dan and Art II) on transactions, which is normally in the contract of all General Managers. However, he had a great working relationship with Cowher and always took his opinion of a player into consideration when making his choices, because in the end Cowher was the man coaching those players. I feel he has developed the same relationship with Mike Tomlin. The draft is a crapshoot. There are first round busts (Ryan Leaf) and sixth round Hall of Fame players (Tom Brady). Free agency is also a bit of a crap shoot, some players get their big pay day and stop working hard, or they're a product of a system and when they leave it they fail to produce at the expected level.

    First rounders are expected to succeed. And I am sure that Cowher and Tomlin both have a lot of say in first round picks. However, remember that it was Dan Rooney that drafted Ben Roethlisberger...Cowher wanted an offensive lineman. In the end, they have had final say in EVERY decision and nobody knows how much they have directed some of the decisions that have been made by the Steelers front office.

    However, lets look at some of the picks that have been made after the first round in the Colbert era. And if you think that Cowher/Tomlin made all these calls, watched all the tape, and interviewed all the scouts about these players...you're drinking some of the Colbert hate kool aid.

    Antwaan Randle El (remember he was a college QB converted to a WR/KR/PR who was rather good at all three and a trick play threat who threw the pass in the big play in Super Bowl XL), Kendrell Bell (won DROY), Chris Hope (former starter), Larry Foote (former/current starter), Brett Keisel (current starter, one of the best 3-4 DE's ever IMHO, found in the seventh round), James Harrison (UDFA who ended up winning DPOY and made one of the biggest plays in Super Bowl history), Ike Taylor, Max Starks, Willie Parker (UDFA), LaMarr Woodley, Keenan Lewis, Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders, Antonio Brown, Marcus Gilbert, Mike Adams

    That's a lot of players that have been or are supposed to become big parts of the Steelers. That's how this team reloads, by finding the diamonds in the rough instead of signing free agents from other teams.

    Did we lose Mike Wallace? Yes, and it was expected. Only the most optimistic of Steelers fans felt that he was coming back to Pittsburgh. He didn't want to be here any longer, and I feel the Steelers locked up the better receiver last offseason when they re-signed Antonio Brown.

    Anything anyone says about Keenan Lewis is simply speculation. Nobody knows if the Steelers actually offered him a contract. Nobody knows if he even wanted to return to Pittsburgh. He grew up a Saints fan and obviously had a desire to play for his hometown team. Maybe he gave the Steelers a price and they chose to let him see if he can get that price elsewhere. Maybe he told the Steelers not to bother if they wouldn't give him at least a certain amount of money. But the Steelers have Cortez Allen and Curtis Brown waiting in the wings, and they've been getting coached by Carnell Lake the past few years...and I think the "Lake Effect" is going to be a big factor in one (or both) of them having big seasons. The Steelers didn't sign Willie Gay to be the starter across from Ike Taylor.

    James Harrison is getting little if any interest in free agency. The Steelers know when to let a player go, and I think they chose right with the former DPOY. He's been hampered with knee and back injuries plus he's 35. And no, the Steelers aren't going to let him come crawling back for the league minimum.

    The one player I don't see the Steelers cutting when they normally would is Troy Polamalu. Why? Because he's a legend. Because when he's healthy, he's a game changer. I don't think he's planning on playing past this current contract, and I think the Steelers will allow him to play it out. And if he can stay healthy, he's the best player on the defense.

    Ike Taylor won't be cut this year. Why? Because even though he's coming off of an ankle injury, he's a leader. Maybe not with his words, but with his work ethic. He trains if Florida all offseason and comes to camp in excellent shape and totally ripped. More often than not he shuts down the opposing team's best receiver. If he comes back this season and age/injury catches up with him, then next offseason he could become a cap casualty. But I don't think the Steelers are ready to take that chance yet.

    Colbert isn't perfect, but no GM is. But he's damn sure better than what Cleveland, Buffalo, Oakland, Jaguars, and lately Cardinals have had. So quit bitching, because hey....we could be the Cleveland Browns.

    RIP Marianne "HTG" - You'll Always Be With Us
    Follow me on Twitter @Blue_Collar_Guy

  7. #37
    Senior Member Array title="salamander has a reputation beyond repute">

    Join Date
    May 2010
    Gender
    Posts
    7,587

    Re: The gallows have been set up outside Heinz field... and the name on them is Colbe

    Quote Originally Posted by BigNastyDefense View Post
    Here is the way I look at it:

    Cowher had a lot of say in players that were drafted and signed in free agency. He earned that right with the success he had in his coaching career. Colbert however has had major say in all of those transactions also. I would assume that he had "final say" (outside of Dan and Art II) on transactions, which is normally in the contract of all General Managers. However, he had a great working relationship with Cowher and always took his opinion of a player into consideration when making his choices, because in the end Cowher was the man coaching those players. I feel he has developed the same relationship with Mike Tomlin. The draft is a crapshoot. There are first round busts (Ryan Leaf) and sixth round Hall of Fame players (Tom Brady). Free agency is also a bit of a crap shoot, some players get their big pay day and stop working hard, or they're a product of a system and when they leave it they fail to produce at the expected level.

    First rounders are expected to succeed. And I am sure that Cowher and Tomlin both have a lot of say in first round picks. However, remember that it was Dan Rooney that drafted Ben Roethlisberger...Cowher wanted an offensive lineman. In the end, they have had final say in EVERY decision and nobody knows how much they have directed some of the decisions that have been made by the Steelers front office.

    However, lets look at some of the picks that have been made after the first round in the Colbert era. And if you think that Cowher/Tomlin made all these calls, watched all the tape, and interviewed all the scouts about these players...you're drinking some of the Colbert hate kool aid.

    Antwaan Randle El (remember he was a college QB converted to a WR/KR/PR who was rather good at all three and a trick play threat who threw the pass in the big play in Super Bowl XL), Kendrell Bell (won DROY), Chris Hope (former starter), Larry Foote (former/current starter), Brett Keisel (current starter, one of the best 3-4 DE's ever IMHO, found in the seventh round), James Harrison (UDFA who ended up winning DPOY and made one of the biggest plays in Super Bowl history), Ike Taylor, Max Starks, Willie Parker (UDFA), LaMarr Woodley, Keenan Lewis, Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders, Antonio Brown, Marcus Gilbert, Mike Adams

    That's a lot of players that have been or are supposed to become big parts of the Steelers. That's how this team reloads, by finding the diamonds in the rough instead of signing free agents from other teams.

    Did we lose Mike Wallace? Yes, and it was expected. Only the most optimistic of Steelers fans felt that he was coming back to Pittsburgh. He didn't want to be here any longer, and I feel the Steelers locked up the better receiver last offseason when they re-signed Antonio Brown.

    Anything anyone says about Keenan Lewis is simply speculation. Nobody knows if the Steelers actually offered him a contract. Nobody knows if he even wanted to return to Pittsburgh. He grew up a Saints fan and obviously had a desire to play for his hometown team. Maybe he gave the Steelers a price and they chose to let him see if he can get that price elsewhere. Maybe he told the Steelers not to bother if they wouldn't give him at least a certain amount of money. But the Steelers have Cortez Allen and Curtis Brown waiting in the wings, and they've been getting coached by Carnell Lake the past few years...and I think the "Lake Effect" is going to be a big factor in one (or both) of them having big seasons. The Steelers didn't sign Willie Gay to be the starter across from Ike Taylor.

    James Harrison is getting little if any interest in free agency. The Steelers know when to let a player go, and I think they chose right with the former DPOY. He's been hampered with knee and back injuries plus he's 35. And no, the Steelers aren't going to let him come crawling back for the league minimum.

    The one player I don't see the Steelers cutting when they normally would is Troy Polamalu. Why? Because he's a legend. Because when he's healthy, he's a game changer. I don't think he's planning on playing past this current contract, and I think the Steelers will allow him to play it out. And if he can stay healthy, he's the best player on the defense.

    Ike Taylor won't be cut this year. Why? Because even though he's coming off of an ankle injury, he's a leader. Maybe not with his words, but with his work ethic. He trains if Florida all offseason and comes to camp in excellent shape and totally ripped. More often than not he shuts down the opposing team's best receiver. If he comes back this season and age/injury catches up with him, then next offseason he could become a cap casualty. But I don't think the Steelers are ready to take that chance yet.

    Colbert isn't perfect, but no GM is. But he's damn sure better than what Cleveland, Buffalo, Oakland, Jaguars, and lately Cardinals have had. So quit bitching, because hey....we could be the Cleveland Browns.
    Very well said.

  8. #38
    Senior Member Array title="GBMelBlount has a reputation beyond repute"> GBMelBlount's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Pittsburgh
    Gender
    Posts
    8,756

    Re: The gallows have been set up outside Heinz field... and the name on them is Colbe

    Great thread.

    It seems like prognosticating 2013 comes down to whether you think the glass is half empty or half full.

    It could go either way but fact the that there are more question marks than usual is NOT a positive.

    Just like the last 5 years if the O line gels and the injury gods smile we could have a great year imo.

    ...assuming the team has a heart this year.
    "With love, with patience, and with Faith
    ....She'll make her way" ~ Natalie Merchant

  9. #39
    Senior Member Array title="blackngldblood has a spectacular aura about"> blackngldblood's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Texas
    Gender
    Posts
    398

    Re: The gallows have been set up outside Heinz field... and the name on them is Colbe

    I think their hearts will be forged in all the criticism. Baltimore is now very prideful and quite sure that they have overtaken us as the supreme beings in this division. Hell, all their fans think that their losses are nothing because of average Joe and whiny boy Harbaugh. This rivalry will heat up to what it was a few years ago, and the humbled Steelers have a lot to gain back. IMHO.

  10. #40
    Senior Member Array title="LLT has a reputation beyond repute"> LLT's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Midwest
    Gender
    Posts
    6,266

    Re: The gallows have been set up outside Heinz field... and the name on them is Colbe

    Using Wes Welker as an example doesnt prove their arguement.....Sometimes talent doesnt outweigh the negative aspects of certain players, and it is well known that Wes Welker is one of the least fan friendly players in the NFL and an entightlement junkie. We seem to already have some problems with the team "jelling"....and it would take a HUGE personality (like Brady or Manning) to keep Welkers ego in check. We dont have that guy on our offence.
    "I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play"

    -- Jack Lambert --

  11. #41
    Senior Member Array title="shutdown will become famous soon enough"> shutdown's Avatar

    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Gender
    Posts
    179

    Re: The gallows have been set up outside Heinz field... and the name on them is Colbe

    Cowher wouldn't have won a superbowl if the Steelers didn't draft a QB he didn't want.

  12. #42
    Steelers fan, circa 1985 Array title="BigNastyDefense is a name known to all"> BigNastyDefense's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Clowns Town, Ohio
    Gender
    Posts
    2,653

    Re: The gallows have been set up outside Heinz field... and the name on them is Colbe

    Quote Originally Posted by shutdown View Post
    Cowher wouldn't have won a superbowl if the Steelers didn't draft a QB he didn't want.
    QFT. Cowher wasn't the best personnel man ever. He made some big mistakes. Does anyone remember Alonzo Jackson? That was a Cowher pick through and through. He was a total and complete bust of a pick.

    Not trying to disparage Bill Cowher. I loved him as the head coach of the Steelers, but he wasn't perfect like some Steelers fans think he was.

    RIP Marianne "HTG" - You'll Always Be With Us
    Follow me on Twitter @Blue_Collar_Guy

  13. #43
    Senior Member Array title="Psycho Ward 86 has a reputation beyond repute"> Psycho Ward 86's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Gender
    Posts
    9,675

    Re: The gallows have been set up outside Heinz field... and the name on them is Colbe

    Quote Originally Posted by BigNastyDefense View Post

    Colbert isn't perfect, but no GM is. But he's damn sure better than what Cleveland, Buffalo, Oakland, Jaguars, and lately Cardinals have had.
    gosh, what a flattering compliment for colbert
    Quote Originally Posted by XxKnightxX View Post
    We are not Buffalo, We are not Miami. We are the Steelers, we dont blow out teams, we cock tease for ratings and keep games close.

  14. #44
    Senior Member Array title="TMC has a spectacular aura about">

    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    365

    Re: The gallows have been set up outside Heinz field... and the name on them is Colbe

    Quote Originally Posted by BigNastyDefense View Post
    QFT. Cowher wasn't the best personnel man ever. He made some big mistakes. Does anyone remember Alonzo Jackson? That was a Cowher pick through and through. He was a total and complete bust of a pick.

    Not trying to disparage Bill Cowher. I loved him as the head coach of the Steelers, but he wasn't perfect like some Steelers fans think he was.
    Cowher actually did not want Jackson in the 2nd round.


    He wanted him in the first. Colbert backed him off and said he would be there in the 2nd. They traded up and took Polamalu. What if they had went with Jackson in the first and Andrews over Roethlisberger. That is your best player on offense and your best player on defense NOT on the team.

    Colbert has to listen to his coaches. He has to draft guys that fit the style they desire to play. Cowher's style was not a secret and had years of polish before Colbert got here. No so with Tomlin. Not only does Colbert have to evaluate the players, he also had to learn where Tomlin could spot talent and where he missed. Where he could take his word that a guy can play and where to think "he just does not know ILBs) and go with his gut. That takes a little time. You are also getting input from "The Bruce" and getting weapons instead of OL. Various issues at play.

    The idea Colbert is in trouble is almost laughable. The Steelers have enjoyed a tremendous run while he has drafted.

  15. #45
    Senior Member Array title="Mojouw has a reputation beyond repute"> Mojouw's Avatar

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Gender
    Posts
    22,233

    Re: The gallows have been set up outside Heinz field... and the name on them is Colbe

    Quote Originally Posted by TMC View Post
    Cowher actually did not want Jackson in the 2nd round.


    He wanted him in the first. Colbert backed him off and said he would be there in the 2nd. They traded up and took Polamalu. What if they had went with Jackson in the first and Andrews over Roethlisberger. That is your best player on offense and your best player on defense NOT on the team.

    Colbert has to listen to his coaches. He has to draft guys that fit the style they desire to play. Cowher's style was not a secret and had years of polish before Colbert got here. No so with Tomlin. Not only does Colbert have to evaluate the players, he also had to learn where Tomlin could spot talent and where he missed. Where he could take his word that a guy can play and where to think "he just does not know ILBs) and go with his gut. That takes a little time. You are also getting input from "The Bruce" and getting weapons instead of OL. Various issues at play.

    The idea Colbert is in trouble is almost laughable. The Steelers have enjoyed a tremendous run while he has drafted.
    I believe Cowher drafted Alonzo Jackson because he "liked the look in his eye" or some such rah-rah nonsense.

  16. #46
    Scouting talent downunder Array title="Aussie_steeler is a name known to all"> Aussie_steeler's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Australia
    Gender
    Posts
    1,088

    Re: The gallows have been set up outside Heinz field... and the name on them is Colbe

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ey...-front-offices

    I call BS on this story that Colbert is in trouble. Although the story above is over 12 months old it gives a more accurate picture of Colberts true value.

    Two more wins last season (10-6) and suddenly the gallows become a pedestal for everyone in the organisation

    If Colbert were to improve in one area, I would say it is in the area of loyalty to long tenured players. IMO name players have been kept 1 or 2 years too long into their last contracts. This has placed pressure on the salary cap.

    Then again is loyalty such a bad thing.

    "NUMBER 7 FOR OUR BELOVED ONE IN HEAVEN"

  17. #47
    Steelers fan, circa 1985 Array title="BigNastyDefense is a name known to all"> BigNastyDefense's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Clowns Town, Ohio
    Gender
    Posts
    2,653

    Re: The gallows have been set up outside Heinz field... and the name on them is Colbe

    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie_steeler View Post
    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ey...-front-offices

    I call BS on this story that Colbert is in trouble. Although the story above is over 12 months old it gives a more accurate picture of Colberts true value.

    Two more wins last season (10-6) and suddenly the gallows become a pedestal for everyone in the organisation

    If Colbert were to improve in one area, I would say it is in the area of loyalty to long tenured players. IMO name players have been kept 1 or 2 years too long into their last contracts. This has placed pressure on the salary cap.

    Then again is loyalty such a bad thing.
    The issue with that I don't think is so much loyalty as much as it is dead money. Teams would rather avoid a large amount of dead money on the cap, and if a player still has guaranteed money coming to them, it's sometimes thought of as better to have them on the team rather than somewhere else and taking up significant cap space.

    I remember when the Steelers cut Joey Porter, he went to Miami and had a bad season with only 5.5 sacks. Steelers fans were lauding Colbert and Tomlin for letting a fan favorite go because they knew he couldn't get it done. Not to mention they knew what they had in James Harrison, and even drafted Timmons in case Harrison was just a flash-in-the-pan.

    With our most recent OLB cut, James Harrison, I think they felt he could play at a high level last year even at his age because he didn't have the miles on him that other players that age normally do. They guessed wrong, but I don't think many can blame them for sticking with him, especially with there being no even semi-proven player behind him to take over.

    I know we still don't have that player, but they might draft an outside linebacker in the first or second round to compete for that job.

    RIP Marianne "HTG" - You'll Always Be With Us
    Follow me on Twitter @Blue_Collar_Guy

  18. #48
    I Am Become Death Array title="Animal Mother is an unknown quantity at this point"> Animal Mother's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Wilmington NC
    Gender
    Posts
    240

    Re: The gallows have been set up outside Heinz field... and the name on them is Colbe

    This may be generalizing a bit, but the reason we were 8-8 last year was because Wallace couldn't catch the damn ball.

    Jeez, in less than 10 years we've been to 3 SB's and won 2 of them and we are calling for Colbert's head? Please take a look around the league and realize how good we have it.
    You're a real comedian...

  19. #49
    The"concrete cobbler" Array title="cold-hard-steel has a brilliant future"> cold-hard-steel's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    central Pa.
    Gender
    Posts
    2,828

    Re: The gallows have been set up outside Heinz field... and the name on them is Colbe

    Noone builds up a gallows and take all the time in doing so , and then not use it . Waste of time and money imo. Off with his head !{ lol}
    Two bags are guarenteed to fit all sizes ,or your money back. If you are not completely satisfied call 1-800-GOO-DHELL We show 5 bags to choose from,most problems only need 2 bags .

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •