Guess who leads the AFC North in drops?

[stillers4me]

If you asked me who leads the AFC North in dropped passes, my three guesses would've been: Mike Wallace, Mike Wallace and Mike Wallace. Well, I was wrong............

read more @
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/pos...north-in-drops

[SteelerEmpire]

If you asked me who leads the AFC North in dropped passes, my three guesses would've been: Mike Wallace, Mike Wallace and Mike Wallace. Well, I was wrong............

read more @
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/pos...north-in-drops

I would have thought the same thing to. Wallace is a much more popular receiver than a lot of people think. When he "does" make a drop, it's 'heard around the world' as there are droves of non-steeler (and steeler) fans that watch games only to see Wallace flash across the field and catch bombs from Ben.

[Dwinsgames]

forget the NFL drops stats they are very skewed and not recognized the same as we fans see drops ... even Wallace's biggest fan here admits to 3 or more drops this year in 1 game ... yet he was credited by the league as having just 1 .....

most of us believe if the ball hits you in the hands and you fail to make the catch it is a drop ... the league has a far more puzzling definition that defies logic

[zulater]

The NFL is very forgiving to NFL receivers in what they officially consider drops.
Any ball not perfectly thrown or even remotely defended isn't officially a drop, even if the receiver had two hands on the ball.
Instead of drops they should figure out some way to quantify the number of catchable balls not caught.

[Moose]

Had me also on this one. My guess would definitely been in the Black/Yellow.

[Psycho Ward 86]

not surprising. Guys who get targeted a lot usually drop a lot too. brandon marshall has 4 seasons with 100+ catches but he makes tons of laughable drops too (see--> 1st packers/bears game)

[st33lersguy]

Wallace has to have more than 6 drops, 6 drops doesn't sound right. By the way when I read, that it wasn't Wallace before clicking the link, I then thought Antonio Brown

[zulater]

That 1st quarter bobble by Wallace against the Cowboys that cost us at the very least a fg attempt wasn't a drop by NFL standards, but any decent football man would recognize it for a drop. The ball was in his hands inbounds, but he wasn't good enough to make the play.

[steelreserve]

There's the technical definition of a drop - and then there are plays that aren't called "drops," but anyone who doesn't have a crack pipe hanging out of his mouth can see the receiver should have caught it easily. Wallace is probably pushing 20 on those.

Whatever criteria they're using for drops is obviously all fucked up. Does it have to hit you square in the face, and then a lump on your head pokes up through the top of your helmet, and your eyes spin like slot reels and come up "JACKASS - JACKASS" and your face turns into a donkey head and you say "hee-HAWWW?" No - I'm pretty sure Wallace has more than 6 of those too.

[Dwinsgames]

Does it have to hit you square in the face, and then a lump on your head pokes up through the top of your helmet, and your eyes spin like slot reels and come up "JACKASS - JACKASS" and your face turns into a donkey head and you say "hee-HAWWW?" No - I'm pretty sure Wallace has more than 6 of those too.

[CPanther95]

I'd rather just look at the completion % when targeted. It may not work as well comparing different teams' receivers, but on the same team - with the same QB - it will give you a more accurate ranking on the team.

[slippy]

all receivers drop a ton of passes. the biggest problem with this year's team, by far, is ball security.

[Steelreal]

forget the NFL drops stats they are very skewed and not recognized the same as we fans see drops ... even Wallace's biggest fan here admits to 3 or more drops this year in 1 game ... yet he was credited by the league as having just 1 .....

most of us believe if the ball hits you in the hands and you fail to make the catch it is a drop ... the league has a far more puzzling definition that defies logic

Yeah, But the NFL is not biased. However, Steeler fans are. If Ben throws a High pass, biased Steelers fans will credit Wallace with a Drop. NFL doesnt. How many people have mentioned how Wallace Blew by double coverage and while Ben was pump faking like a lunatic threw the ball late and Wallace had to come back and catch it like a punt. That has happened to Wallace his whole career but how many Steeler fans post these kind of things. I know I do. I have no bias.

Having said that Wallace has more screw ups than Ben but that doesnt mean that Bens should be overlooked either. Lastly, I think Wallace is a bigger problem for defenses scheme wise. Ben is subject to have a bad day. Wallace will be fast every day and thats why he is a problem. His speed

[Dwinsgames]

Yeah, But the NFL is not biased. However, Steeler fans are. If Ben throws a High pass, biased Steelers fans will credit Wallace with a Drop. NFL doesnt. How many people have mentioned how Wallace Blew by double coverage and while Ben was pump faking like a lunatic threw the ball late and Wallace had to come back and catch it like a punt. That has happened to Wallace his whole career but how many Steeler fans post these kind of things. I know I do. I have no bias.

Having said that Wallace has more screw ups than Ben but that doesnt mean that Bens should be overlooked either. Lastly, I think Wallace is a bigger problem for defenses scheme wise. Ben is subject to have a bad day. Wallace will be fast every day and thats why he is a problem. His speed

Dwight Stone was " fast " too , but his hands matched his last name far to often , he is no household name today because of it .....

Dwight Stone (born January 28, 1964 in Florala, Alabama) was an American football wide receiver and kick returner in the National Football League for the Pittsburgh Steelers, the Carolina Panthers, and the New York Jets. Stone originally signed with Pittsburgh as an undrafted free agent in 1987.He was an outstanding special teams gunner and kick returner for eight years with the Steelers. Stone had blazing speed,one of the fastest steelers ever. He was timed at 4.25 in the 40 yard dash. Legendary steelers coach Chuck Noll said that Stone was "the fastest player I've ever coached over 40 yards". He played college football at Middle Tennessee State University. He is currently a police officer in Charlotte, North Carolina

[Steelreal]

You are comparing Wallace to Stone? REALLY? lol

You posted his bio but not his stats, how come? Compare Wallaces stats to Stones and tell me what you find. Not a Wallace fan (Lazy bastard) but you guys act like his quarterback never throws him a bad ball. Thats what I mean by bias.

[Dwinsgames]

You are comparing Wallace to Stone? REALLY? lol

You posted his bio but not his stats, how come? Compare Wallaces stats to Stones and tell me what you find. Not a Wallace fan (Lazy bastard) but you guys act like his quarterback never throws him a bad ball. Thats what I mean by bias.

hey , physically they are the same guy .........

his stats are not as easily found as Wallace's sure you can find part of them but can not find any with his targets involved to do a fair comparison , however his 1991-2-3 seasons looks similiar to what we are seeing from Wallace today , further more we did not throw the ball nearly as much in 1991-92-93 as we do today ...just sayin

[Steelreal]

Physically? I remember stone being short #20 or something like that. He as NO Wallace and a HORRIBLE comparrison. If you cant find a comparrison then you have defeated your own case. Horrible comparrison

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So Ben Roethlisberger, Batch have never thrown him bad passes? See last game. Can we be fair people? Guess not

[Dwinsgames]

Physically? I remember stone being short #20 or something like that. He as NO Wallace and a HORRIBLE comparrison. If you cant find a comparrison then you have defeated your own case. Horrible comparrison

stone 6' 191
wallace 6' 199

size relatively the same

[Steelreal]

Stones best year was 41 receptions 2 TDs. THATS NOT WALLACE

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stone 6' 191
wallace 6' 199

size relatively the same

So since Casey Hampton is built like Goose are they the same person? Check their stats. Stone was a fricking running back turned receiver. Really????

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Stone also changed his number from 20 to #80. Wallace could NEVER play Rb.

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Its like Comparing Ben Roethlisberger to Ryan Leaf because they are similar in stature. Thats crazy

[Mojouw]

The stat still gives context to the Wallace discussion...something that is sometimes sorely lacking when Mr. Wallace comes up. I agree that the NFL's definition of drops is way out of wack. But one can realistically assume that if it is undercounting Wallace's drops it is undercounting other WR's by the approximately the same rate. Therefore, the #'s listed in that article while inaccurate are inaccurate by roughly the same percentage for everyone. It still shows that Wallace does not have an excessive amount of drops for WR's that see a high rate of targets per game (which he does when Ben is under center). Basically Wallace is in line with other high usage deep threat WR's when it comes to drops.

I do not feel that Wallace is worth a huge contract (he is not a WR in the mold of Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, etc) that a team wrecks it's salary cap structure for, but he is in the next tier down from that. I feel that there is far too much emotional reaction when it comes to evaluating Steelers (I wouldn't expect anything less). Just for the sake of comparison --

Victor Cruz:

79(rec)

1019(yards)

12.9(yards/rec)

9(TD)

80(long)

5.6(rec/game)

72.8(yards/game)

Mike Wallace:

63(rec)

823(yards)

13.1(yards/rec)

8(TD)

82(long)

4.5(rec/game)

58.8(yards/game)

Would anyone argue that Cruz is a bum and shouldn't be paid more than the $500K he is making this year? They have almost identical stats...

[steelreserve]

Yeah, But the NFL is not biased. However, Steeler fans are. If Ben throws a High pass, biased Steelers fans will credit Wallace with a Drop. NFL doesnt. How many people have mentioned how Wallace Blew by double coverage and while Ben was pump faking like a lunatic threw the ball late and Wallace had to come back and catch it like a punt. That has happened to Wallace his whole career but how many Steeler fans post these kind of things. I know I do. I have no bias.

Having said that Wallace has more screw ups than Ben but that doesnt mean that Bens should be overlooked either. Lastly, I think Wallace is a bigger problem for defenses scheme wise. Ben is subject to have a bad day. Wallace will be fast every day and thats why he is a problem. His speed

Are you complaining that the 60-yard bomb in the Cowboys game was underthrown? You do realize he threw it about 70 yards in the air, right? You can't throw it any farther than that.

[Steelreal]

Are you complaining that the 60-yard bomb in the Cowboys game was underthrown? You do realize he threw it about 70 yards in the air, right? You can't throw it any farther than that.

To hit a deep pass you have to release the ball EARLY and let the WR run under the ball. Ben habitually releases it TOO LATE (from all the ridiculous pump faking). Ben has done this to Wallace his WHOLE career. Here is how Leftwich hits Wallace in preseason of 09. Is he Better than Ben? NO WAY! However he understand how to release the ball early on a long pass. Ben has struggled his whole career with throwing the long ball consistently

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2010/08...ace-touchdown/

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The stat still gives context to the Wallace discussion...something that is sometimes sorely lacking when Mr. Wallace comes up. I agree that the NFL's definition of drops is way out of wack. But one can realistically assume that if it is undercounting Wallace's drops it is undercounting other WR's by the approximately the same rate. Therefore, the #'s listed in that article while inaccurate are inaccurate by roughly the same percentage for everyone. It still shows that Wallace does not have an excessive amount of drops for WR's that see a high rate of targets per game (which he does when Ben is under center). Basically Wallace is in line with other high usage deep threat WR's when it comes to drops.

I do not feel that Wallace is worth a huge contract (he is not a WR in the mold of Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, etc) that a team wrecks it's salary cap structure for, but he is in the next tier down from that. I feel that there is far too much emotional reaction when it comes to evaluating Steelers (I wouldn't expect anything less). Just for the sake of comparison --

Victor Cruz:

79(rec)

1019(yards)

12.9(yards/rec)

9(TD)

80(long)

5.6(rec/game)

72.8(yards/game)

Mike Wallace:

63(rec)

823(yards)

13.1(yards/rec)

8(TD)

82(long)

4.5(rec/game)

58.8(yards/game)

Would anyone argue that Cruz is a bum and shouldn't be paid more than the $500K he is making this year? They have almost identical stats...

This is a great objective post. Wallace is still lethargic and lazy but......

[Psycho Ward 86]

um right, and im a black republican and i wear glasses. just call me herman cain..

[steelreserve]

To hit a deep pass you have to release the ball EARLY and let the WR run under the ball. Ben habitually releases it TOO LATE (from all the ridiculous pump faking). Ben has done this to Wallace his WHOLE career. Here is how Leftwich hits Wallace in preseason of 09. Is he Better than Ben? NO WAY! However he understand how to release the ball early on a long pass. Ben has struggled his whole career with throwing the long ball consistently

Oh, OK. I get what you mean. For a moment I thought you meant he just didn't throw it far enough, and I was like, "come on, give the guy a break."

[Steelreal]

um right, and im a black republican and i wear glasses. just call me herman cain..

Or Clarence Thomas

[Dwinsgames]

Stones best year was 41 receptions 2 TDs. THATS NOT WALLACE

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So since Casey Hampton is built like Goose are they the same person? Check their stats. Stone was a fricking running back turned receiver. Really????

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Stone also changed his number from 20 to #80. Wallace could NEVER play Rb.

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Its like Comparing Ben Roethlisberger to Ryan Leaf because they are similar in stature. Thats crazy

was not dodging the question was away ... I gave the size because you said they where not the same size that Stone was a short guy .... he is the same height

as for TDs ... maybe you should look again at his reception stats instead of his return stats or whatever it was you looked at to come up with the number 2 ...

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...S/StonDw00.htm

his best year was 91 not 93

[zulater]

You are comparing Wallace to Stone? REALLY? lol

You posted his bio but not his stats, how come? Compare Wallaces stats to Stones and tell me what you find. Not a Wallace fan (Lazy bastard) but you guys act like his quarterback never throws him a bad ball. Thats what I mean by bias.

This coming from someone who proposes that Leftwich is better than Ben.

[Steelreal]

This coming from someone who proposes that Leftwich is better than Ben.

SHOW me where I have said that

[Steelreal]

was not dodging the question was away ... I gave the size because you said they where not the same size that Stone was a short guy .... he is the same height

as for TDs ... maybe you should look again at his reception stats instead of his return stats or whatever it was you looked at to come up with the number 2 ...

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...S/StonDw00.htm

his best year was 91 not 93

I was being sarcastic I dont know Stones stats. I just know he wasnt good. You cant say that about Wallace. You are comparing their height? Is that your point? Ok

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To hit a deep pass you have to release the ball EARLY and let the WR run under the ball. Ben habitually releases it TOO LATE (from all the ridiculous pump faking). Ben has done this to Wallace his WHOLE career. Here is how Leftwich hits Wallace in preseason of 09. Is he Better than Ben? NO WAY! However he understand how to release the ball early on a long pass. Ben has struggled his whole career with throwing the long ball consistently

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2010/08...ace-touchdown/

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This is a great objective post. Wallace is still lethargic and lazy but......

Someone is confused

[zulater]

SHOW me where I have said that

Sorry, you just claim that Leftwich throws a better deep ball. You have any idea what the league average is for completions on balls thrown over 40 yards, and how Ben stacks up to the league as a whole?